2nd UCA + Meretica Peace Conference

[Meretica]

OOC: Depose does not mean kill.

Google the definition of "depose". What came up for me? "Remove from office suddenly and forcefully."

OOC: Did I say depose? No, I did not. Get the facts correct, take a chill pill, and come back once you have calmed down a little bit.

OOC: Ditto.

[South Olpen]

"President Campbell made the move with the approval of 93% of Meretican citizens and the unanimous consent of the Imperial Senate and Royal Advisory Board," Wilson seethed. "Meretica felt threatened after SM dared to think that the Meretican government could be overthrown by a foreign power. We will not apologize unless SM leaves all leadership positions for a month, grants MR full autonomy, and promises never again to take over a foreign government or even threaten to do so."

“Yeah, no. That isn’t happening if Meretica and the Six recognize my Government as a terrorist group.” Said George.

"What about a middle ground. It sounds childish, but what if you draft up documents, come here, and sign them at the same time? These are all bad ideas, but you're not giving me much room to think."

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“Yeah, no. That isn’t happening if Meretica and the Six recognize my Government as a terrorist group.” Said George.

"We'll stop looking at you like a terrorist group when you stop acting like one."

“Then Peace is unacceptable according to this representative of a coalition, apparently. Here is what I recommend, how about we let the MoC come up with a better treaty, and sign it, instead of spending a long time here wasting time debating with a person clearly trying to get the six to benefit.” Said George.

[Meretica]

"We'll stop looking at you like a terrorist group when you stop acting like one."

“Then Peace is unacceptable according to this representative of a coalition, apparently. Here is what I recommend, how about we let the MoC come up with a better treaty, and sign it, instead of spending a long time here wasting time debating with a person clearly trying to get the six to benefit.” Said George.

"Is SM trying to start a war?!"

[Pan-European State]

"I still stand by what I said earlier."

"Listen, this whole thing is idiotic. All of your nation's bring doomsday ever close for personal control and gain over the other. For once, work together or just ignore and leave each other alone. The other leader make a comment you don't like? Ignore it unless it really does threaten your nation. SM, don't make comments like those Meretica complains about and Meretica don't keep going on about how evil UCA or SM is. Keep your opinions private if it risks the whole world!"

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“Then Peace is unacceptable according to this representative of a coalition, apparently. Here is what I recommend, how about we let the MoC come up with a better treaty, and sign it, instead of spending a long time here wasting time debating with a person clearly trying to get the six to benefit.” Said George.

"Is SM trying to start a war?!"

“No, but the Empress is, in fact, being annoying if she believes that the six are the only ones who could benefit from a peace deal.” Said George.

[Meretica]

"Is SM trying to start a war?!"

“No, but the Empress is, in fact, being annoying if she believes that the six are the only ones who could benefit from a peace deal.” Said George.

OOC: I refuse to post again until SM fully understands that the Empress does not rule over the Six nations and has limited power within Meretica. I will not continue this circus so long as SM is living in some mockery world within their own head.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“No, but the Empress is, in fact, being annoying if she believes that the six are the only ones who could benefit from a peace deal.” Said George.

OOC: I refuse to post again until SM fully understands that the Empress does not rule over the Six nations and has limited power within Meretica. I will not continue this circus so long as SM is living in some mockery world within their own head.

OOC: I understand, however, you must remember to phrase your posts better, as it honestly kind of makes it look like Sinestra does rule over the six.

[Meretica]

OOC: I refuse to post again until SM fully understands that the Empress does not rule over the Six nations and has limited power within Meretica. I will not continue this circus so long as SM is living in some mockery world within their own head.

OOC: I understand, however, you must remember to phrase your posts better, as it honestly kind of makes it look like Sinestra does rule over the six.

OOC: I have clarified OOC and IC many times that Sinestra is not the Empress of the Six Nations and that each has their own independent government. By having your character live in some fantasy land where that is not true, you are hurting these negotiations in the eyes of Meretica and are making the populace of the Six Nations less and less likely to support a peace deal. It's really starting to feel like you're purposefully trying yo provoke a war.

[South Olpen]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica insures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM insures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bi partisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

[Southeast Marajarbia]

OOC: I understand, however, you must remember to phrase your posts better, as it honestly kind of makes it look like Sinestra does rule over the six.

OOC: I have clarified OOC and IC many times that Sinestra is not the Empress of the Six Nations and that each has their own independent government. By having your character live in some fantasy land where that is not true, you are hurting these negotiations in the eyes of Meretica and are making the populace of the Six Nations less and less likely to support a peace deal. It's really starting to feel like you're purposefully trying yo provoke a war.

OOC: Again, you have posted previously in a style that has made it seem as if Sinestra = Ruler of Six. Remember that SX almost banned you from his thread because of it.

[Southeast Marajarbia]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica insures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM insures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bi partisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

“This treaty is good, however, there is a problem with the 8th clause. You have to remember that my Government founded the UCA alongside several others, and you don’t elect founders.” Said George.

[Meretica]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica ensures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM ensures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bipartisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates to stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

[South Olpen]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica insures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM insures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bi partisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

“This treaty is good, however, there is a problem with the 8th clause. You have to remember that my Government founded the UCA alongside several others, and you don’t elect founders.” Said George.

"Yes, I know. I simply mean you do not exercise powers for the time. As soon as that time is up, you will be restored to your former pedestal."

[Southeast Marajarbia]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica ensures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM ensures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bipartisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates to stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

“I believe it might be fair if the MoC picks a side. If Meretica refuses this deal, so be it, but it means that true peace will not be made here, and it would ruin the reputation of Meretica should it not be accepted as an alternative solution.” Said George.

[Meretica]

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

“I believe it might be fair if the MoC picks a side. If Meretica refuses this deal, so be it, but it means that true peace will not be made here, and it would ruin the reputation of Meretica should it not be accepted as an alternative solution.” Said George.

"We are not refusing this deal, we are working for a fairer deal. It's called compromising. Look it up sometime, see if you can understand what it means."

[South Olpen]

PRS-UCA Treaty MK4

Meretica recognize SM and all other UCA member states as legitimate nations
Meretica ramp up trade by 15% in the next 10 years
Meretica ensures that PRS members respect the UCA
Meretica holds a vote on the Empress' power every time a new one is to take power
Meretica stands down from office in the PRS for 72 hours
SM apologizes for any none specific aggressions against Meretica, Empress Sinestra, and "the people of Meretica and their rights and freedoms"
SM ensures that UCA members respect PRS members
SM steps down from UCA power for 72 hours
SM allows audits, mainly made up of bipartisan citizens, but also of international observers
Both nations must seek to actively attempt to soothe relations
Both nations must send delegates to stay in Constitution City in order quick neutral peacemaking is needed
Both nations must work together to soothe public opinion of the other

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

The MoC looks to her right, to the Meretican with exhausted eyes, clearly hoping that they would make it easy on the 76 year old woman. "SM is also going to temporarily be removed. As for the trade, we can lower that to 10%, and after all trade is a good thing. And, no offense, if the monarch is as popular as you say, it should be nothing but a minor expense."

[Meretica]

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

The MoC looks to her right, to the Meretican with exhausted eyes, clearly hoping that they would make it easy on the 76 year old woman. "SM is also going to temporarily be removed. As for the trade, we can lower that to 10%, and after all trade is a good thing. And, no offense, if the monarch is as popular as you say, it should be nothing but a minor expense."

"It would require a constitutional amendment, and that requires 85% of the Meretican populace to support it. Even if we wanted it to, the people won't support it."

[Southeast Marajarbia]

“I believe it might be fair if the MoC picks a side. If Meretica refuses this deal, so be it, but it means that true peace will not be made here, and it would ruin the reputation of Meretica should it not be accepted as an alternative solution.” Said George.

"We are not refusing this deal, we are working for a fairer deal. It's called compromising. Look it up sometime, see if you can understand what it means."

“Was that an insult? I ask because it was not insulting, but rather laughable. If you think that what you have just requested is a compromise, leave it up to the MoC, because to me and my Government, it appears as if Meretica is trying its hardest to compromise in a deal that benefits their side the most.” Said George.

[United International Cooperative]

Are we allowed to mediate?

[South Olpen]

Are we allowed to mediate?

Not really. Its being mediated by my leader, MoC Sorit.

[United International Cooperative]

Are we allowed to mediate?

Not really. Its being mediated by my leader, MoC Sorit.

OOC: Are we allowed to observe then?

[South Olpen]

Not really. Its being mediated by my leader, MoC Sorit.

OOC: Are we allowed to observe then?

No. It was explicitly meant to be closed door, with only the results being public.

[United International Cooperative]

OOC: Are we allowed to observe then?

No. It was explicitly meant to be closed door, with only the results being public.

OOC: Okay.

[Meretica]

"Meretica was elected to the leadership of PRS whereas SM was not. If Meretica must be removed from leadership, SM must be removed as well. Meretica also cannot force PRS members to respect UCA members, nor can Meretica guarantee that trade will be ramped up by any scale. That would infringe on our rights as a sovereign nation and oppose the will of the people. Also, we will not force the people to vote on whether or not the Empress should remain in power. The monarch is elected, per the Meretican Constitution, from all potential monarchs. Sadly, she is currently the only eligible monarch, but that is only because we have kept in line with the rules and traditions of succession within the Meretican monarchy."

The MoC looks to her right, to the Meretican with exhausted eyes, clearly hoping that they would make it easy on the 76 year old woman. "SM is also going to temporarily be removed. As for the trade, we can lower that to 10%, and after all trade is a good thing. And, no offense, if the monarch is as popular as you say, it should be nothing but a minor expense."

"We can accept this deal so long as the part regarding additional monarchy elections is removed. That would require a constitutional amendment and would have little, if any, chance of passing."