WorldVision Song Contest 91 | OOC | SIGNUPS CLOSED

by **Biagium** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:42 pm

by **Todlichebujoku** » Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:00 pm

WorldVision Committee wrote:(1) Some editions of the WorldVision Song Contest have been too big. What would you do to solve this problem in the future (for example, Semi-Finals at a certain threshold). How would your idea be implemented?

Semi-finals have come up a number of times - I think it would be interesting to have them, but I have yet to see commitment to a concept that really preserves the feeling of a show (opening act -> all entries in semi 1 -> interval, and then same for semi 2) without copying WHF's semi-final model. The idea that I've proposed in the past is one where once we reach a certain threshold, the host copies the entries into either a thread for each semi-final or a thread for both semis, and then has the grand final as its own separate thread - something that WHF does not do. Sure, it's sort of splitting hairs as it's very close to WHF overall, but I think it may be the best compromise.

(3) Should people be allowed to bid when they first participate?

With all that goes on in an average WV edition, from writing the opening act and the interval, to creating postcards and presenting the voting (jury and televote) result reveals... I feel that it is best for a player to have participated in a full edition, and learning from the experience, before bidding and taking on host responsibilities.

(4) There is no theme tune for WorldVision Song Contest. Can we hold a vote to adopt one, and choose a song?

Sure, that sounds hot!

(5) What is your opinion on people voting or signing up late very close to the deadline (like a few minutes)?

I don't see the issue with voting or signing up close to the deadline - results aren't going to be posted immediately on the deadline, and you always want to ensure the points are correct before you present the results, which takes time anyway. Not to mention the fact that not all hosts are going to be awake or available during the deadline due to time zones, as there could be hours before the host is able to log into NS and start posting.

In fact, I was in another contest where the admin wanted to penalize those who were voting close to the deadline, and honestly I hated that idea and would never stand for it.

(7) If there were no host bids, what should the procedure be, and would you be willing to step in to host?

That's never been a problem - there always has been someone willing to post a host bid, or post one that they hadn't won with previously. However, in the unprecedented case that no one bids, even with deadline extensions, then yes, I would be fine with hosting.

Tod - Do you think the calculation of the televote is okay, or do you see some flaws in it?

I think that what we have now is fine, but I am open to trying out new things, and perhaps there is a solution out there that better mirrors ESC televote behavior. Of course, if people decide they don't want to run the risk of pulling a "Je Me Casse" televote moment in WV (not to be confused with MCG's recent victory), then I absolutely understand :lol:

by **Spiritual Republic of Caryton** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:26 am

RESPONSES

(1) Some editions of the WorldVision Song Contest have been too big. What would you do to solve this problem in the future (for example, Semi-Finals at a certain threshold). How would your idea be implemented?

Nobody likes to wait. We all have ideas for future bids and entries, so expanding the timeline of a large concert should be absolutely out of the question. A semi-final would do that, unfortunately. There is no easy solution for a sudden fifty-nation bid, and we have been blessed with a conservative yet ambitious amount of entries that keep progress going. The best advice I could honestly offer is to sacrifice already existing time if a massive amount of nations participate. For instance, instituting a hard deadline for entries- having the host bid on the first week of the OOC post up instead of the second, etcetera.

(2) What ideas do you have to improve the image of the contest and make it more open to new nations? What is the first thing you'd like to change or rectify on committee?

Let new debuting nations submit host bids and/or appeal for committee. There is no reason why this archaic rule needs to exist. I've mentioned this before, but if the system were merit-based then bad entries would be caught before they were even allowed in, or otherwise just voted out. There is no reason to stifle genuine creativity in the first few phases of participation when creativity and inspiration and the "drive to do" is at is highest. As for making it newbie-accessible, I believe the FAQ can be broadened to incorporate sub-topics of tune selection, graphic design, the works. Most of the time, people just don't know where to start.

(3) Should people be allowed to bid when they first participate?

See question two.

(4) There is no theme tune for WorldVision Song Contest. Can we hold a vote to adopt one, and choose a song?

In short, I don't think we need one. WorldVision is a diverse experience, and I think a generalized topic would be a good representation of the community. If WorldVision has a theme, it had better represent everybody- from veterans to debuters to even joke entry puppets.

(5) What is your opinion on people voting or signing up late very close to the deadline (like a few minutes)?

Let them. If they don't finish, that's on them but no use trying to stop people from trying to begin with. Besides, we love a surprise entry sometimes.

(6) Should there be a restriction on how often a nation bids?

Absolutely not, don't punish the talented and the inspired.

(7) If there were no host bids, what should the procedure be, and would you be willing to step in to host?

Honestly, random generator. After the nation is selected, help them establish the bid. That sort of answers the second part of the question- we would be obligated to aid the selected nations.

Caryton - You said "I will put my full two cents in if that branch of the community isn't already gone." What does this mean, and what does this alternative Discord server have to do with anything? Surely the WVC has no power to regulate that, even if there is an alternative Discord server?

I am not at liberty to talk about what the alternate server is about on nationstates in detail. We might not have the power to regulate it, but we have the power to regulate whether or not invites to that server are made. NS has expectations and rules about what associated communities and platforms are allowed to have, officially, so adding a way to get to the alternate server is just stuffing in a middleman and a loophole to that rule. From what I understand, the server is inactive but I would rather not there be a gateway, yknow?

by **Elejamie** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:19 am

Alright, let's do this.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(1) Some editions of the WorldVision Song Contest have been too big. What would you do to solve this problem in the future (for example, Semi-Finals at a certain threshold). How would your idea be implemented?

I'm not entirely against the idea of a semi-finals to solve that issue. I'd rather it be something discussed on the forums as well as Discord, simply because again not everyone is able to or wants to join us over there, but if the general consensus seems to be that it'd be a good idea then I'd say we should go for it. That being said, I'd recommend having them if there's at least 40-something COMPLETED entries (as in entries where the person hasn't withdrawn or left it WIP but rather put in some actual lyrics and maybe information about it), simply because even if you're lucky enough to have a puppet to vote for more people there's still going to be some songs that you liked that won't receive your votes. Furthermore, the host and the five Committee members should receive automatic byes to the final, much like the host and the Big Five in the real life Eurovision. I won't recommend it to be a permanent thing though, especially if we get a competition with so few people in it that it's not worth it, but as a recurring temporary measure I don't see what the harm would be.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(2) What ideas do you have to improve the image of the contest and make it more open to new nations? What is the first thing you'd like to change or rectify on committee?

Having a more active forum presence would be a good place to start if you want it make it more open to new nations. After all, this is a primarily forum-based competition and it's not worth just abandoning the OOC thread and letting it sink to the bottom of the NS subforum where newcomers won't be as likely to find it. Not to mention that it's been very quiet here lately with a number of NFs receiving little to no votes. Whether this is because of post-Eurovision burnout or difficulty splitting time between this, the RetroVision or the IBACL, everything just seemed quieter than it usually did, so a bit more forumside interactions might encourage more people to not only vote in NFs but also join in with songs with their own.

There are probably more ideas to not only fix that problem but also improve the contest's image but I can't really think of them at the moment.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(3) Should people be allowed to bid when they first participate?

While I can undertand why Caryton is in favour of letting debutants bid, in all honesty I'm kind of against it. Much like what Malta Comino Gozo said, it'd be a bit overwhelming for someone who's completely new to the contest to make world class graphics and deal with the televote and all that. Furthermore, since they're entirely new, there isn't really that element of trust to it even if we know them from a different part of NS. That being said, if a WV regular made a new puppet and they want to host with that then they should be able to, especially if they've actually sent bids in the past.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(4) There is no theme tune for WorldVision Song Contest. Can we hold a vote to adopt one, and choose a song?

I don't see why not, although it's just a question of whether we'll go for Te Deum like the real life EBU does or if we'll try and go for a different tune.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(5) What is your opinion on people voting or signing up late very close to the deadline (like a few minutes)?

Signing up very late, I have no problem with it. After all, either they've been pre-occupied with other stuff, they haven't really accounted for timezone differences or they've just spotted the thread and want to get into it as soon as possible. It's not that big of a deal, really.

Voting late, on the other hand, is a bit of a bugger. Even with a soft deadline and all those other stuff to make people feel a bit more comfortable, there will still be that one person whose votes will only show up a few minutes before the jury vote scoreboard shows up. It's fine if you've been incredibly busy and you've only now got the time to listen to each entry to cast your votes, after all real life is more important. But if you've got a habit of doing this (and trust me I can name at least one person who is this sort of person) it kind of makes you a bit suss really.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(6) Should there be a restriction on how often a nation bids?

Not really. I don't even see what this would achieve anyway.

WorldVision Committee wrote:(7) If there were no host bids, what should the procedure be, and would you be willing to step in to host?

I'd be in favour of extending things for a week and maybe trying to convince people to get a quick bid up, even if it's something not as high quality. If all else fails then I won't really mind stepping in if there are still no people willing to host, though the downside is that I'll have to re-use a lot of my AVON 90 graphics.

WorldVision Committee wrote:Elejamie - "massive posts to tell people to calm down" - In a fast paced heated conversation, do you really thin that this would be an effective way of keeping the peace when most people wouldn't bother reading a huge paragraph in the first place?

I didn't think that whole section through but then again I was struggling a bit to get a full manifesto out before the deadline. Anyway, assuming that this is happening on the Discord, I'd simply enact slowdown mode which would give me enough time to read through everything and deliver my judgement and comments on things, hence the massive paragraph. The slowdown will be announced prior to me actually using it and it'll be in effect until things feel safe enough to carry on. The only downside is that server mods and admins (which in this case would be the server owner, the WHF Overseer and the WV Committee) won't really be affected by it so if any one of them is caught up in whatever drama then I might have to come up with a way (even if it's just making a role for myself and simply not letting anyone outside of that role post in the appropriate channel until I've said what I needed to, for example).

by **Hafamarimyht** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:06 pm

whoops i'm changing my tune to it feels so good by sonique

rp to come if i have time at work tonight

by **Britonisea** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:50 pm

by **Kalosia** » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:21 pm

Kalosia wrote:
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Lë 60° Festival dëla Kanžu Kalosianë 2021
The 60th Kalosian Song Festival, 2021
4° Seratë | Fourth Evening

To access the main landing page,
click here.

To check out the playlist and the list of entries performing,
click here.

To skip directly to the recap and VOTE,
click here.

Voting closes June 14.

Deadline extended to June 16 (evening EST, early hours of the next morning CET). Hoping to get another vote or two in seeing as I've been barely scraping by this time 'round.

Thanks to everyone who have voted so far, I really appreciate it <3

by **Natanya** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:55 am

Don't think I've actually signed up yet so here I am lol

by **Teesdexxia** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:55 am

maybe here too

by **WorldVision Committee** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:17 pm

HOST VOTING RESULTS!

And your time is up! Don't vote from now, as your vote may still be charged.
We've had 11 sets of votes for these three bids, but who's won? Where are we going?

Absolutely congratulations to the winner, very well done. Commiserations to our runner-up bids. Whenever you're ready, let's get the show on the road!
- Nek

(Election votes coming in a bit)

by **Carrelie** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:14 pm

Hey there! It's me, your host, Carrelie! I'd like to thank everyone who gave me their douze points in what was revealed to me to be quite the landslide! I'm also glad to announce that...

THE THREAD FOR THR 91st WORLDVISION SONG CONTEST IS OPEN!

Merci beaucoup!

by **WorldVision Committee** » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:57 pm

THE COMMITTEE ELECTIONS ARE IN!

The election results are in! Fourteen different nations have voted, and the top five from six have been chosen. We thank all of you for entering, but who are the five going to be?

Congratulations to the five selected, and a huge, HUGE commisserations to the unlucky 6th place. It literally could not have been any closer and we wish you try again in five contests time! The handover process may officially start now, and those outgoing from the WorldVision Committee wish the new batch the very best of luck!

by **Carrelie** » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:36 pm

Hi all! So I've been telegramming a few of you asking for postcard info, but now it's time for me to actually concentrate on my own stuff, so I'd like to ask all of you to either telegram or DM me on Discord (Xhoc#7466) with your country's trigramme (3 letter code) and a place that celebrates music in your country. Specifically, I'm looking for its native name, an English name and an image. Thank you all for your understanding and I hope to see all your information which I can turn into lovely postcards!

- Your host, Carrelie!

P.S. If I've already contacted you about postcards, you don't need to contact me!

by **Kalosia** » Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:40 am

I had originally intended to gradually reveal information regarding the results of this year's Festival dëla Kanžu Kalosianë (FKK) on the Discord server, but it has come to my attention that doing so has only exposed other members of the community (and fellow voters) to incomplete information that, without knowing the bigger picture, has led to confusion and frustration. I am writing this to clear things up.

Just to refresh, FKK, although not a national final for WorldVision in the traditional sense, works similarly to Sanremo in the sense that it is a national music festival in which WorldVision participation is seen as more of an added bonus rather than being the main purpose of the event. This year, just as Sanremo organizers decided to ask all their artists prior whether they were interested in doing Eurovision, I've decided to make it so that FKK's organizers did the same. This was also done (both ICly and OOCly) due to the fact that the winning entry of last year's FKK was entered into WorldVision only to come bottom 10, although it is entirely possible that a non-winning entry could have been more accessible to the international audience and achieve a better result. Therefore, Kalosia's WorldVision entrants for WV91 and the next few editions, although they all come from the pool of FKK 2021 participants, they are ICly internally selected in order to maximize Kalosia's chances at the contest.

"So what's the point of holding it then, Kal? Were our votes for nothing?" I hear you ask. No, your votes most certainly had an impact. They helped me gauge your reactions to them and affected my decisions on which songs are worthy for WorldVision. It's not like I did all this only to scrap it and send something completely unrelated, like some people may have done. This has an impact on Kalosia's IC story which will be reflected in my future WV participations.

Anyway, to clear up confusion, I have decided to release the results table of the first, second, and fourth evenings below. These are the semifinals and grand final of the contest respectively. I am doing it in this thread because it is relevant to the current WV for reasons explained above, while I intend to go more in-depth with the results reveal (including the jury voting breakdown) on the actual FKK thread which I have linked a few times to the WV threads, including this one.

Without further ado, here they are.

Semifinals

The juries ('Ǧuria') are the votes of community members — people like you. Thank you for those of you who took the time to vote in any of the four shows, they mean a lot to me.

The results above, including in comparison to the results in the final, may vary due to a difference in the amount and composition of jury members in each show. This has led to some rather drastic differences, although the televoting results ('televotu', which are mine) have stayed pretty consistent across the three shows. Also, the total number of televotes distributed is ALWAYS equal to the number of jury votes distributed in each show.

As a reminder, the first evening was 'aired' during WV89's NF season while the second evening was 'aired' during WV90's NF season.

Grand Final

The below spoiler consists of the table of results and a breakdown on whether the artists accepted to go to WorldVision or not, in the order of their placing. This supersedes the information previously given on Discord.

I have not yet finalized the order in which I will send these artists, rather I may just decide them during each edition so that I can tailor the entries accordingly. The reason I am not sending the winner of the festival this edition is because I have rather ambitious ideas on the song's staging that I do not have time to complete before the deadline (ICly it's due to scheduling issues).

The order in which I select the entries, luckily, doesn't have to be based on the results of the Festival (both ICly and OOCly). It's my participation, after all, and you'll see the entries on the WV stage anyway, at least for the next few editions. Given that I only have a week left to work on my entry, from scratch nonetheless, I am taking into consideration time and efficiency factors into my choice for this edition.

Thus, I confirm the details of the Kalosian entry for the 91st WorldVision Song Contest below:

Thank you for bearing with me up until this point. I hope this clears up a few concerns that some of you may have had.

I will certainly take into consideration the feedback I've received for next year's festival (if I decide to have it at all); the fact that I've gone this far to explain things hopefully shows how much I care about this and how much your voice matters to me.

See you in Haufenburg,
Kalosia

by **Elejamie** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:16 am

Quick change of entry because I absolutely can't think of any good ideas for my original song. It'll be "Your Song" by The Lads and the Lasses and the tune will be !!! - One Boy/One Girl.

by **Nekoni** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:41 am

I've been busy as shit all week so I'm afraid we aren't getting an entry in. Sorry guys.

by **Britonisea** » Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:40 am

So sorry guys but Britonisea will have to withdraw which is a shame because I wanted to make it for our 60th anniversary but it just simply cannot be done

Estogium will still compete to continue my streak as a user and tbh I need to get the song out of the playlist of potential tunes.

by **WorldVision Committee** » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:58 am

Voting Announcement

Hello everyone!
Voting has now opened! You have until Monday 5th July 20:00 BST to vote both in the jury AND the televote.

And of course:

The televoting form is live!

Remember, as before, if you're using a puppet, you can only give your puppet (and vice versa) a maximum of 5 points in the jury vote, and only a maximum score of 6 in the televote. Additionaly, you can only give a maximum of 14 points in the jury vote to another nation.

Happy voting!

- Nek

by **Todlichebujoku** » Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:19 am

Thank you Syrche for the 12!

My votes should be up tonight or tomorrow night

by **WorldVision Committee** » Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:04 pm

Televote Released

And here is the televote sheet, congrats to the winner, again!!

NEW OOC THREAD

Along with:

The WorldVision 92 OOC!

Hope to see you all there!

- Tobu

by **Malta Comino Gozo** » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:57 pm

Thanks again, everyone!!!! I can't believe we won!

WorldVision Song Contest 91 | OOC | SIGNUPS CLOSED

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