SETA vs. ZN100%I movement (ZN high court / invite ONLY!)

[Trenaka]

John Roth would speak first.

“Thank you, Your Honor. Judges, we are here to explain our case against Zarnicovia Nova leaving the Strategic and Economic Treaty Alliance. Our main concern is the fate of the SETA military base in the Indian Ocean. The land was purchased by Zarnicovia Nova, making it “their land,” however, it was promptly turned into SETA territory as a military base. We do not want Zarnicovia Nova to try to reclaim the base as theirs, as it would cause SETA nations to lose their investment in the base, which would likely lead to war if not resolved. However, we do not want Zarnicovia Nova to lose the 8 million that they paid for the island. The best solution where nobody loses money is if Zarnicovia Nova remains in SETA.” He would sit down.

[Zarnicovia nova]

John Roth would speak first.

“Thank you, Your Honor. Judges, we are here to explain our case against Zarnicovia Nova leaving the Strategic and Economic Treaty Alliance. Our main concern is the fate of the SETA military base in the Indian Ocean. The land was purchased by Zarnicovia Nova, making it “their land,” however, it was promptly turned into SETA territory as a military base. We do not want Zarnicovia Nova to try to reclaim the base as theirs, as it would cause SETA nations to lose their investment in the base, which would likely lead to war if not resolved. However, we do not want Zarnicovia Nova to lose the 8 million that they paid for the island. The best solution where nobody loses money is if Zarnicovia Nova remains in SETA.” He would sit down.

zarnicov the Vi (who's the Zarnicovian Novam on SETA's side) whispers: "You're probably gonna have to find something in our constitution to win." the judges nod when the trenakan finsihs.

[Zarnicovia nova]

the head of the high court: "who's next?"

[Trenaka]

John Roth would speak first.

“Thank you, Your Honor. Judges, we are here to explain our case against Zarnicovia Nova leaving the Strategic and Economic Treaty Alliance. Our main concern is the fate of the SETA military base in the Indian Ocean. The land was purchased by Zarnicovia Nova, making it “their land,” however, it was promptly turned into SETA territory as a military base. We do not want Zarnicovia Nova to try to reclaim the base as theirs, as it would cause SETA nations to lose their investment in the base, which would likely lead to war if not resolved. However, we do not want Zarnicovia Nova to lose the 8 million that they paid for the island. The best solution where nobody loses money is if Zarnicovia Nova remains in SETA.” He would sit down.

zarnicov the Vi (who's the Zarnicovian Novam on SETA's side) whispers: "You're probably gonna have to find something in our constitution to win." the judges nod when the trenakan finsihs.

(do you have a link to a constitution? I don’t know what is in your constitution.)

[Zarnicovia nova]

zarnicov the Vi (who's the Zarnicovian Novam on SETA's side) whispers: "You're probably gonna have to find something in our constitution to win." the judges nod when the trenakan finsihs.

(do you have a link to a constitution? I don’t know what is in your constitution.)

(here's the part that ZN100%I is using: semi-territories of zarnicovia nova are considered "territories" at all times. and in RP you find this to use: "The state shall have the choice to accept or decline any transactions and/or contracts. All contracts That are state-approved will be fulfilled no matter what."

[Kazakah]

'I understand that objective. However, I do question the "taking of SETAland" what exactly does that entail?'

"the SETA military base as they say it is zarnicovian novan semi-territory meaning if they leave they should be allowed to have it. What we're trying to do is prevent the vote from happening via arguing that it is SETA territory meaning the vote is illegal."

Please define what "semi-territory" means. Where is it? Who owns it?

[Zarnicovia nova]

"the SETA military base as they say it is zarnicovian novan semi-territory meaning if they leave they should be allowed to have it. What we're trying to do is prevent the vote from happening via arguing that it is SETA territory meaning the vote is illegal."

Please define what "semi-territory" means. Where is it? Who owns it?

in this case, "semi-territory" is not diffined by the constitution.

[Kazakah]

Please define what "semi-territory" means. Where is it? Who owns it?

in this case, "semi-territory" is not diffined by the constitution.

I understand that. However, the fact remains that you used the term in a legal arguement in an international court of law. What does "semi-territories" mean to the ZN100% Movement? This is extremely important to the ruling of this case.

[Zarnicovia nova]

in this case, "semi-territory" is not diffined by the constitution.

I understand that. However, the fact remains that you used the term in a legal arguement in an international court of law. What does "semi-territories" mean to the ZN100% Movement. This is extremely important to the ruling of this case.

(1st it's not a international court of law. your in a zarnicovian novan court of law)
2nd they define it as: "a territory or region lended to another nation or organization."

[Zarnicovia nova]

(let's continue!)

[Trenaka]

“Judges, Zarnicovia Nova’s constitution states “...All contracts that are state-approved will be fulfilled no matter what.” The ‘no matter what’ is the key point there. Your government allowed SETA to use the island via a contract, and since that contract applies ‘no matter what,’ it would still apply even if Zarnicovia Nova left SETA. Therefore, the island belongs to SETA.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

“Judges, Zarnicovia Nova’s constitution states “...All contracts that are state-approved will be fulfilled no matter what.” The ‘no matter what’ is the key point there. Your government allowed SETA to use the island via a contract, and since that contract applies ‘no matter what,’ it would still apply even if Zarnicovia Nova left SETA. Therefore, the island belongs to SETA.”

a judge with an I want to speak with your manager look says: "where is the contract?"

[Trenaka]

“Judges, Zarnicovia Nova’s constitution states “...All contracts that are state-approved will be fulfilled no matter what.” The ‘no matter what’ is the key point there. Your government allowed SETA to use the island via a contract, and since that contract applies ‘no matter what,’ it would still apply even if Zarnicovia Nova left SETA. Therefore, the island belongs to SETA.”

a judge with an I want to speak with your manager look says: "where is the contract?"

“I have brought copies of the one given to the Trenakan SETA representative,” he said.

*he would hand them the copies*

[Zarnicovia nova]

a judge with an I want to speak with your manager look says: "where is the contract?"

“I have brought copies of the one given to the Trenakan SETA representative,” he said.

*he would hand them the copies*

the judge would look very pissed but didn't say anything more

[Zarnicovia nova]

the head of the ZN high court: "your take Mr. nickson?"
the ZN100%I person got up and stated that: "The zarnicovian novan government in their territories list lists the island as a "semi-territory" our construction states that we have the right to integrate "semi-territories" back in when we want with at least 50% support in the island and nation wide."

[Trenaka]

the head of the ZN high court: "your take Mr. nickson?"
the ZN100%I person got up and stated that: "The zarnicovian novan government in their territories list lists the island as a "semi-territory" our construction states that we have the right to integrate "semi-territories" back in when we want with at least 50% support in the island and nation wide."

“Before we came, the island was uninhabited. Now, the people living there are only temporarily stationed there as soldiers, pilots, etc. This means that there really cannot be votes from the island that can be counted, as most people living there are not there permanently.”

[Zarnicovia nova]

the head of the ZN high court: "your take Mr. nickson?"
the ZN100%I person got up and stated that: "The zarnicovian novan government in their territories list lists the island as a "semi-territory" our construction states that we have the right to integrate "semi-territories" back in when we want with at least 50% support in the island and nation wide."

“Before we came, the island was uninhabited. Now, the people living there are only temporarily stationed there as soldiers, pilots, etc. This means that there really cannot be votes from the island that can be counted, as most people living there are not there permanently.”

"well part of the agreement between phastastan and zarnicovia nova is that parts of the phastastan constitution will apply to the island. One of these areas that the phastastan constitution applies in is laws/law enforcement which is where voting comes from. any person can claim to be from that area as long as they go by local tax laws."

[Trenaka]

“Before we came, the island was uninhabited. Now, the people living there are only temporarily stationed there as soldiers, pilots, etc. This means that there really cannot be votes from the island that can be counted, as most people living there are not there permanently.”

"well part of the agreement between phastastan and zarnicovia nova is that parts of the phastastan constitution will apply to the island. One of these areas that the phastastan constitution applies in is laws/law enforcement which is where voting comes from. any person can claim to be from that area as long as they go by local tax laws."

“Seeing as the people there are temporarily stationed, why would they be taxed by ‘local tax laws’ and not the tax laws of their country?”

[Zarnicovia nova]

"well part of the agreement between phastastan and zarnicovia nova is that parts of the phastastan constitution will apply to the island. One of these areas that the phastastan constitution applies in is laws/law enforcement which is where voting comes from. any person can claim to be from that area as long as they go by local tax laws."

“Seeing as the people there are temporarily stationed, why would they be taxed by ‘local tax laws’ and not the tax laws of their country?”

zarnicov the VI muttered under his breath top the trenakan: "when the tax laws were abolished in 2045 when the colony broke away from pastastan and that's the last part of the colony still there."
the ZN100%I said: "any phastastan or zarnicovian novan could claim that they lived there tho by that part of the phastastan constitution. as long as they went by phastastan colony of kenya's tax laws."
a judge stood up and said: "You do realize that to say that you'd have to go to the phastastan high court?"
the ZN100%I: "uhm well uhh."
the head of the ZN high court: "sit down."

[Zarnicovia nova]

"any over SETA memebr arguements?"

[Romextly]

"any over SETA memebr arguements?"

OOC: What is the main argument against SETA

[Zarnicovia nova]

"any over SETA memebr arguements?"

OOC: What is the main argument against SETA

(a part of the zarnicovian novan constitution stating that: "all semi-territories of zarnicovia nova may become full territories with at least 50% support from the island and 50% from the nation as a whole."

[Saralonia]

*A Saralonian lawyer arrives hastily there as the Ministry of Foreign Relations told him a bit late*

[Zarnicovia nova]

*A Saralonian lawyer arrives hastily there as the Ministry of Foreign Relations told him a bit late*

a ZN soldier tells the lawyer to enter the court room at the center of the building

[Saralonia]

*A Saralonian lawyer arrives hastily there as the Ministry of Foreign Relations told him a bit late*

a ZN soldier tells the lawyer to enter the courtroom at the center of the building

*The lawyer salutes the soldier first and then enters the courtroom*