The WF Halloween Shindig [OOC; Closed For Now]

[Kiu Ghesik]

No, I'm a man.

I just didn't know whether that was--

--and apparently Christophe got out from the basement again. Naughty Christophe.

I mean biologically it's literally not gay. Morally? That's a whole other matter. I mean- does the laser cause dysphoria? If so, does that mean that if someone's psychologically male but biologically female, then it's gay to date them? If it doesn't, but Patyu very clearly remembers being male and is experiencing discomfort at the fact, then is that equivalent to dysphoria? It's not, right? I mean, dysphoria depends on an actual imbalance in the brain. It's not medically equivalent, after all.

[Socialist Macronesia]

No, I'm a man.

I just didn't know whether that was--

--and apparently Christophe got out from the basement again. Naughty Christophe.

I mean biologically it's literally not gay. Morally? That's a whole other matter. I mean- does the laser cause dysphoria? If so, does that mean that if someone's psychologically male but biologically female, then it's gay to date them? If it doesn't, but Patyu very clearly remembers being male and is experiencing discomfort at the fact, then is that equivalent to dysphoria? It's not, right? I mean, dysphoria depends on an actual imbalance in the brain. It's not medically equivalent, after all.

I never thought such ethical conversation could be achieved from a weeb laser.

And is Christophe trying to be zapped?

[Kiu Ghesik]

I mean biologically it's literally not gay. Morally? That's a whole other matter. I mean- does the laser cause dysphoria? If so, does that mean that if someone's psychologically male but biologically female, then it's gay to date them? If it doesn't, but Patyu very clearly remembers being male and is experiencing discomfort at the fact, then is that equivalent to dysphoria? It's not, right? I mean, dysphoria depends on an actual imbalance in the brain. It's not medically equivalent, after all.

1) I never thought such ethical conversation could be achieved from a weeb laser.

2) And is Christophe trying to be zapped?

1) Does it cause dysphoria, though? I need to know how much psychological distress my boi should be in. I mean, I don't think it should, since IIRC diagnosed gender dysphoria requires a component of your brain at a biological level to be affected, and if I understand the laser right it doesn't do that.

2) Yes.

[Empirical Switzerland]

1) I never thought such ethical conversation could be achieved from a weeb laser.

2) And is Christophe trying to be zapped?

1) Does it cause dysphoria, though? I need to know how much psychological distress my boi should be in.

2) Yes.

Yes.

[Socialist Macronesia]

1) I never thought such ethical conversation could be achieved from a weeb laser.

2) And is Christophe trying to be zapped?

1) Does it cause dysphoria, though? I need to know how much psychological distress my boi should be in.

2) Yes.

It causes different effects on different people. Some have dysphoria, some don't, some turn into (REDACTED) and (REDACTED) others.

It's up to you what Patyu does.

[Kiu Ghesik]

It causes different effects on different people. Some have dysphoria, some don't, some turn into (REDACTED) and (REDACTED) others.

It's up to you what Patyu does.

I don't think I'll hurt my boi gorl that badly. Comedic discomfort and anxiety shall be all Patyu Catyu has to deal with.

And maybe [REDACTED], depending on what [REDACTED] is. Probably not, though.

[Socialist Macronesia]

It causes different effects on different people. Some have dysphoria, some don't, some turn into (REDACTED) and (REDACTED) others.

It's up to you what Patyu does.

I don't think I'll hurt my boi gorl that badly. Comedic discomfort and anxiety shall be all Patyu Catyu has to deal with.

And maybe [REDACTED], depending on what [REDACTED] is. Probably not, though.

Hurting Patyu is a crime punishable by death.

[Kiu Ghesik]

I don't think I'll hurt my boi gorl that badly. Comedic discomfort and anxiety shall be all Patyu Catyu has to deal with.

And maybe [REDACTED], depending on what [REDACTED] is. Probably not, though.

Hurting Patyu is a crime punishable by death.

Indeed, it is.

So, should Nate be panicking as well, or just kinda focused on beating the shit out of Ross at the moment? I'm thinking I'm gonna have them get out of the little thing with Adarsh and then have Nate leave Patyu alone to go do something else, at which point you get control of him again, if that's alright with you.

[Socialist Macronesia]

Hurting Patyu is a crime punishable by death.

Indeed, it is.

So, should Nate be panicking as well, or just kinda focused on beating the shit out of Ross at the moment? I'm thinking I'm gonna have them get out of the little thing with Adarsh and then have Nate leave Patyu alone to go do something else, at which point you get control of him again, if that's alright with you.

Probably the latter. And the plan sounds fine.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Indeed, it is.

So, should Nate be panicking as well, or just kinda focused on beating the shit out of Ross at the moment? I'm thinking I'm gonna have them get out of the little thing with Adarsh and then have Nate leave Patyu alone to go do something else, at which point you get control of him again, if that's alright with you.

Probably the latter. And the plan sounds fine.

Sounds good, then. I can probably post in 10 or 20 minutes.

[Socialist Macronesia]

So how conscious exactly is Alastair right now? Is like aware of his surroundings? Is he moving? Does he even know who anyone is?

[Broader Confederate States]

No, I'm a man.

I just didn't know whether that was--

--and apparently Christophe got out from the basement again. Naughty Christophe.

I mean biologically it's literally not gay. Morally? That's a whole other matter. I mean- does the laser cause dysphoria?
1. If so, does that mean that if someone's psychologically male but biologically female, then it's gay to date them?
2. If it doesn't, but Patyu very clearly remembers being male and is experiencing discomfort at the fact, then is that equivalent to dysphoria? It's not, right?
3. I mean, dysphoria depends on an actual imbalance in the brain. It's not medically equivalent, after all.

1. if you're also a guy then yes
2. not applicable
3. maybe, but not in the way you seem to be thinking based on that wording. during fetal development, the child's brain experiences sexual differentiation at a different time as the rest of the body, leading to their brain developing in a different direction to their body, causing all of the headaches associated (I. Savic et al, 2010). this can't be changed later, as seen most famously in the david reimer case, and just more generally in the fact there are trans people older than 14.

[Kiu Ghesik]

I mean biologically it's literally not gay. Morally? That's a whole other matter. I mean- does the laser cause dysphoria?
1. If so, does that mean that if someone's psychologically male but biologically female, then it's gay to date them?
2. If it doesn't, but Patyu very clearly remembers being male and is experiencing discomfort at the fact, then is that equivalent to dysphoria? It's not, right?
3. I mean, dysphoria depends on an actual imbalance in the brain. It's not medically equivalent, after all.

1. if you're also a guy then yes
2. not applicable
3. maybe, but not in the way you seem to be thinking based on that wording. during fetal development, the child's brain experiences sexual differentiation at a different time as the rest of the body, leading to their brain developing in a different direction to their body, causing all of the headaches associated (I. Savic et al, 2010). this can't be changed later, as seen most famously in the david reimer case, and just more generally in the fact there are trans people older than 14.
3b. i'd argue that it's at least comparable, since in both cases the end result is someone with a brain that physically does not match their body.

Good point. I'm not experienced enough with the topic to be making definitive statements about it. Thanks.

[Broader Confederate States]

1. if you're also a guy then yes
2. not applicable
3. maybe, but not in the way you seem to be thinking based on that wording. during fetal development, the child's brain experiences sexual differentiation at a different time as the rest of the body, leading to their brain developing in a different direction to their body, causing all of the headaches associated (I. Savic et al, 2010). this can't be changed later, as seen most famously in the david reimer case, and just more generally in the fact there are trans people older than 14.
3b. i'd argue that it's at least comparable, since in both cases the end result is someone with a brain that physically does not match their body.

Good point. I'm not experienced enough with the topic to be making definitive statements about it. Thanks.

no worries, this is a topic i've done a lot of personal research in for... reasons, so i figure i should use that for as much good as i can do.

[Socialist Macronesia]

You know, that's the one thing ULINE doesn't sell: anything pride related. I mean, they do have custom stickers, tape, literal custom rugs, but not a single rainbow flag or something.

Not gay, just say.

[Kiu Ghesik]

You know, that's the one thing ULINE doesn't sell: anything pride related. I mean, they do have custom stickers, tape, literal custom rugs, but not a single rainbow flag or something.

Not gay, just say.

Well, it makes sense, they're about as apolitical as a company can get, and Pride flags are kind-of a political statement. The LGBTQ+ movement has lots of political pull, after all.

[Socialist Macronesia]

You know, that's the one thing ULINE doesn't sell: anything pride related. I mean, they do have custom stickers, tape, literal custom rugs, but not a single rainbow flag or something.

Not gay, just say.

Well, it makes sense, they're about as apolitical as a company can get, and Pride flags are kind-of a political statement. The LGBTQ+ movement has lots of political pull, after all.

I think ULINE might be the definition of apolitical.

Like "eh we don't really care just buy some fuckin corrugated boxes"

[Kiu Ghesik]

"Ah, come on. You're a cute wittwe catgiwl. Half the people here are probably into that in a big way. And besides, you can't hide in the bathroom forever."

"Watch me." Patyu crossed his arms and huffed.

Fucking hell, I just wrote like two pages of "catgirl Nate and Patyu shenanigans." It's literally over a thousand words. What am I even doing with my life?

[Socialist Macronesia]

"Ah, come on. You're a cute wittwe catgiwl. Half the people here are probably into that in a big way. And besides, you can't hide in the bathroom forever."

"Watch me." Patyu crossed his arms and huffed.

Fucking hell, I just wrote like two pages of "catgirl Nate and Patyu shenanigans." It's literally over a thousand words. What am I even doing with my life?

Welcome to the club.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Fucking hell, I just wrote like two pages of "catgirl Nate and Patyu shenanigans." It's literally over a thousand words. What am I even doing with my life?

Welcome to the club.

At least what you write makes sense. I just wrote over a thousand words, probably closer to 1700 or so if we include the post where he realized it, about a fucking nomad in a sweater growing cat ears and experiencing a rapid drop in testosterone levels. That doesn't make sense at all.

[Socialist Macronesia]

Welcome to the club.

At least what you write makes sense. I just wrote over a thousand words, probably closer to 1700 or so if we include the post where he realized it, about a fucking nomad in a sweater growing cat ears and experiencing a rapid drop in testosterone levels. That doesn't make sense at all.

It makes total sense.

And apparently Nate is off to go assassinate the one world leader he's supposed to protect.

[Kiu Ghesik]

At least what you write makes sense. I just wrote over a thousand words, probably closer to 1700 or so if we include the post where he realized it, about a fucking nomad in a sweater growing cat ears and experiencing a rapid drop in testosterone levels. That doesn't make sense at all.

It makes total sense.

And apparently Nate is off to go assassinate the one world leader he's supposed to protect.

There is a difference between "beat the shit out of" and "assassinate", but if it's too out-of-character for him I can easily change it, my guy.

I don't really like writing other people's characters, if you can't tell.

[Azur Deutschland]

I don't really like writing other people's characters, if you can't tell.

I'm in that same boat, even though I wrote an F7 movie, lol.
I just feel like I wouldn't get the character's actions right, which is why I was a little timid to even start that project.

[Socialist Macronesia]

It makes total sense.

And apparently Nate is off to go assassinate the one world leader he's supposed to protect.

There is a difference between "beat the shit out of" and "assassinate", but if it's too out-of-character for him I can easily change it, my guy.

I don't really like writing other people's characters, if you can't tell.

Nah, to Nate they're the same. Murder, pain, one and the same.

[Kiu Ghesik]

There is a difference between "beat the shit out of" and "assassinate", but if it's too out-of-character for him I can easily change it, my guy.

I don't really like writing other people's characters, if you can't tell.

Nah, to Nate they're the same. Murder, pain, one and the same.

Did I write him well enough, though, or is there something you want me to change?