GRAIL Council Discussion Room (IC: GRAIL Members only!)

[Megistos]

I kind of agree there. Navy Hill seems to me like the exact kind of thing GRAIL is against.
Also, we didn't exist until 2040, so we can't have participated in the SoMac-NC war.

My usual canon is 2045.

mine is the late 2049s the zarnicovian novan civil war was in the years of late 2048 and early 2049 BTW

I was at war with:

New Carthagea
Empirical Switzerland
Megistos
Santa Selena
Ikeria
Transoria
and a few others.

(Most of those are PMT/FT nations anyway. I am MT. How was I supposed to win the war... that I never started?)

But:

Megistos: used bioweapons against our civilian crops
NC: straight up broke 3 GA resolutions
ES: assisted NC, even after committing war crimes

So I have so far seen 6 GRAIL members break GA resolutions.

So you're telling me that you guys are standing up for these people?

I'm not even sure I want your blood money anymore. Have fun explaining to the world why you're allowing all this to happen.

Hey, just a heads up about this post. I'm actually not part of the World Assembly, essentially meaning that those passed laws don't apply to me. And you are lucky. I normally get angry, drop antimatter on their nation and they don't exist.

Edit: My canon changes every day, right now it is (calculates) Summer 2179

[Navy Hill]

Can we get back on character please? About that, here’s a quote from Jáhannes about N-Day.

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We personally think that thee nuclear armageddon is thy near, so we arm-eth the military with kernelnut (nuclear) weapons.

From the Desk of Mikhail Jáhannes

Yes, please. Let’s get back on track

[Socialist Macronesia]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

[Navy Hill]

This post was taken to a far away land

[Megistos]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

Oh, this is for that? Well, then I leave. I always prefered a strong-willed, powerfull force like IDP but seems like this is not one of them. Megistos aren't nice to people.

[Navy Hill]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

Kek, just like the UN

[Socialist Macronesia]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

Kek, just like the UN

why did you have to say something so controversial yet so true

[Trenaka]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

I honestly have been having my doubts about GRAIL, for quite a while, and the blatant hypocrisy of some of the nations in it. As I said during the writing and negotiations phase of the Treaty of New Bern, how can GRAIL ruin other nations for the sake of democracy, when some of the nations participating in this alliance are borderline authoritarian?

[Zarnicovia nova]

I am utterly astounded.

Why are any of you even here? This is supposed to be for the good guys, and yet like 90% of you all are trying to justify your horrible actions...

I honestly have been having my doubts about GRAIL, for quite a while, and the blatant hypocrisy of some of the nations in it. As I said during the writing and negotiations phase of the Treaty of New Bern, how can GRAIL ruin other nations for the sake of democracy, when some of the nations participating in this alliance are borderline authoritarian?

we're not we promise you we're not

[Socialist Macronesia]

To be honest, I think GRAIL should be temporarily disbanded.

Here's the thing: there are PLENTY of good NS nations that support democracy and stuff. But you need to vet those who join for any potential problems, otherwise you have nations breaking hundreds of resolutions but claiming to uphold democracy.

This way, the "evil" nations could join an actually evil organization, and not be bogged down with such trivial things as "resolutions". And people who are the good guys can actually make a difference in the world.

And in order to do this, we're gonna need to disband and restructure, for the good of the cause.

WHOS WITH ME?

[Navy Hill]

To be honest, I think GRAIL should be temporarily disbanded.

Here's the thing: there are PLENTY of good NS nations that support democracy and stuff. But you need to vet those who join for any potential problems, otherwise you have nations breaking hundreds of resolutions but claiming to uphold democracy.

This way, the "evil" nations could join an actually evil organization, and not be bogged down with such trivial things as "resolutions". And people who are the good guys can actually make a difference in the world.

And in order to do this, we're gonna need to disband and restructure, for the good of the cause.

WHOS WITH ME?

I'd prefer restructuring.
For starters, kicking me out of GRAIL and putting me in a Morally Dubious Faction™

[Navy Hill]

I have a paper trail of abandoned accounts, and i'll probably add this one to the list shortly

Nevadaia
Laomsas
Las Bahia
Radio Free Croatia

[Trenaka]

To be honest, I think GRAIL should be temporarily disbanded.

Here's the thing: there are PLENTY of good NS nations that support democracy and stuff. But you need to vet those who join for any potential problems, otherwise you have nations breaking hundreds of resolutions but claiming to uphold democracy.

This way, the "evil" nations could join an actually evil organization, and not be bogged down with such trivial things as "resolutions". And people who are the good guys can actually make a difference in the world.

And in order to do this, we're gonna need to disband and restructure, for the good of the cause.

WHOS WITH ME?

I actually agree with this. GRAIL has become overrun with hypocrisy, in my eyes. I hope Empirical Switzerland can respond to this, and act accordingly.

[Socialist Macronesia]

ES got banned for a week...

But yeah, when he gets back, we're gonna discuss a temporary disband, hell, maybe even permanent.

This place isn't for the morally grey nation, it's for the self-righteous crusader nation. And so far I haven't seen a single nation who would qualify.

[Linkers Sha]

ES got banned for a week...

But yeah, when he gets back, we're gonna discuss a temporary disband, hell, maybe even permanent.

This place isn't for the morally grey nation, it's for the self-righteous crusader nation. And so far I haven't seen a single nation who would qualify.

Umm why is ES got banned ?

[Megistos]

ES got banned for a week...

But yeah, when he gets back, we're gonna discuss a temporary disband, hell, maybe even permanent.

This place isn't for the morally grey nation, it's for the self-righteous crusader nation. And so far I haven't seen a single nation who would qualify.

Umm why is ES got banned ?

I think he got banned for trolling the LGBT community

[Socialist Macronesia]

Umm why is ES got banned ?

I think he got banned for trolling the LGBT community

He posted #jesuzrulez in the LGBT support thread. And apparently he's done stuff before, so 7 days.

[Trenaka]

I think he got banned for trolling the LGBT community

He posted #jesuzrulez in the LGBT support thread. And apparently he's done stuff before, so 7 days.

You think he would learn with the 3 day ban, BUT NO!

[Socialist Macronesia]

He posted #jesuzrulez in the LGBT support thread. And apparently he's done stuff before, so 7 days.

You think he would learn with the 3 day ban, BUT NO!

I've never had to be warned about anything. Probably because I try to stay out of politics...

[Broader Confederate States]

To be honest, I think GRAIL should be temporarily disbanded.

Here's the thing: there are PLENTY of good NS nations that support democracy and stuff. But you need to vet those who join for any potential problems, otherwise you have nations breaking hundreds of resolutions but claiming to uphold democracy.

This way, the "evil" nations could join an actually evil organization, and not be bogged down with such trivial things as "resolutions". And people who are the good guys can actually make a difference in the world.

And in order to do this, we're gonna need to disband and restructure, for the good of the cause.

WHOS WITH ME?

Aye aye.

Umm why is ES got banned ?

I think he got banned for trolling the LGBT community

Haha, oof... conservatives, man. I'm not fond of The Community^TM but I just don't get involved and I'm still here.

[Zarnicovia nova]

well I'm left so I support those communities

[Trenaka]

You think he would learn with the 3 day ban, BUT NO!

I've never had to be warned about anything. Probably because I try to stay out of politics...

I try to stay out of that garbage fire and just play the game.

[Greatdux]

IC:

I think.. I should commit suicide. My country is an authoritarian hellhole, and I don’t like it. I don’t even want to support the goddamned communists or authoritarian hellhole. I just want to die for god’s sake.

- Last Message from Mikhail Jáhannes, before committing suicide.

There is now no representative for Greatdux. Greatdux leaves temporarily as they follow his path to death. The path to death is being fed to the horror of Thälmannist Communism.
OOC:

I've never had to be warned about anything. Probably because I try to stay out of politics...

I try to stay out of that garbage fire and just play the game.

Me too.

[Socialist Macronesia]

So we have

• 3 4 of the active nations wishing to disband
• 8+ nations who are wholly un-GRAIL
• Several nations who have broken international law more than once
• All nations in GRAIL are complacent in these actions

I motion, when ES gets back, to start disbanding. That's like half of GRAIL that is violating laws...

[Greater Kamilistan]

So we have

• 3 of the active nations wishing to disband
• 8+ nations who are wholly un-GRAIL
• Several nations who have broken international law more than once
• All nations in GRAIL are complacent in these actions

I motion, when ES gets back, to start disbanding. That's like half of GRAIL that is violating laws...

Yep..this allainces might get disbanded and also.. Im gonna form the Islamic Organisation of Defence , Economic and Security or IODES soon , Im just thinking whether or not should I form or not , just finding some other Islamic NS nation to join lol