♛ The Imperial Sovereign Alliance (Closed)

[Common Territories]

Thanks. We'll see about that, right now I'm not really into Alliance system of RPing but I've always supported Monarchist bloc, and besides I'm already a member of Imperion - though it's a rather exclusive but dormant club at the moment. I'll be supporting this alliance however, and sure hope it won't end up like: this, this, this, this, this, or this. About time someone active took over Monarchist bloc.

Oh man, that's just really sad. Even the latest reincarnation seems dead and buried in page 4 already. Still, ISA shall assume the mantle of monarchy RP System from now on.

*Coughs in imperialism*

[Zuvon]

*Coughs in imperialism*

Hello, there.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

Welcome to the ISA. Hope you'll upgrade your membership in the future.

Thanks. We'll see about that, right now I'm not really into Alliance system of RPing but I've always supported Monarchist bloc, and besides I'm already a member of Imperion - though it's a rather exclusive but dormant club at the moment. I'll be supporting this alliance however, and sure hope it won't end up like: this, this, this, this, this, or this. About time someone active took over Monarchist bloc.

You forgot the CoM.

[Zuvon]

You forgot the CoM.

I don't know what CoM is, but I shall assume they're another long dead alliance...anyway, your nation is like? What? Monarchy-socialist/marxist?

[Zuvon]

Well; it's not the full version I'm afraid but I guess this shall do for the time being; we'll need this to have a smooth management in the future when we grow large enough.

Basic Outline of Imperial Sovereign Alliance Charter(Draft)

Preamble (Insert fancy names of all the member states)

Article 1: The Name of this Organization
Imperial Sovereign Alliance

Article 2 - Purpose
- Mission: Preserving and defending the institution monarchies of its members as an inviolable State institution.
- Objective:
1. Fostering close cooperation between Member states in terms of politics, economic, social and military.
2. Promoting and defending international security and peace from aggression of other states/powers through diplomacy or military actions.

Article 3 Membership
- process of application
- who gets to decide
- whats are the rights of members/observer

Article 4 Organization
- structure (Executive - Council of Rulers): membership - Founder; Secretary General (Or insert fancy names in substitute for Chairman/ SecGen) - manage day to day management of this alliance when we grow large enough; set policies; seek out rp partner; process members applicants; not let this thread buried in page 5 of this forum - (that's how alliance dies in time); maintain activity; plan and execute rps
- basically how to get players to run this organization
- founder is key (since success and failure at the beginning rest on the founder *read: me*)
- how the (sec gen/chairman) is selected; roles of the chairman; how long will the chairman tenure last
- what are the other officers; (well, maybe a RP planner; some sort of "foreign" official seeking out diplomacy with other alliances/organization; some sort of recruitment/membership
- officers
- selections and appointment
- POWERS
Article 5
- adoption and ratification
- amending the charter
article 6
- general provision

[Zuvon]

So, does any of the members wishes to hold offices? We're too small at the moment; if you ask it; you'll get it.

[Zuvon]

Also, I've decided to make things...more interesting and unique.

Multiverse Operations

• Though we're primarily a designated Modern Tech, Human Only organization there is no reason why we can't have fun. The purpose of this community is to have fun and engaging one another in roleplays.So, I think, we'll try to have some sort of Multiverse-canon-system.
  
• We shall engage others in Past Technology and also Modern Tech and hell, (maybe even early Post Modern Tech - well I don't know much about future tech though, but it depends) and Fantasy-Tech.
  
• If members wishes to start PT roleplays; fine by me. If members wishes to skip PT and focus on MT roleplays it's OK too. There's plenty of windows of opportunities to create a vast roleplay universe.
  
• Personally, I shall focus on Modern Tech roleplaying in the future though.

[Vionna-Frankenlisch]

You forgot the CoM.

I don't know what CoM is, but I shall assume they're another long dead alliance...anyway, your nation is like? What? Monarchy-socialist/marxist?

The CoM was the Coalition of Monarchies, I believe, I was a very inactive member. As for a monarchist-socialist mix, sadly not, the Imperion membership is official government membership endorsed by parliament, the ISC membership is held only by the Worker's Socialist Party.

[Imperial Majapahit]

Also, I've decided to make things...more interesting and unique.

Multiverse Operations

• Though we're primarily a designated Modern Tech, Human Only organization there is no reason why we can't have fun. The purpose of this community is to have fun and engaging one another in roleplays.So, I think, we'll try to have some sort of Multiverse-canon-system.
  
• We shall engage others in Past Technology and also Modern Tech and hell, (maybe even early Post Modern Tech - well I don't know much about future tech though, but it depends) and Fantasy-Tech.
  
• If members wishes to start PT roleplays; fine by me. If members wishes to skip PT and focus on MT roleplays it's OK too. There's plenty of windows of opportunities to create a vast roleplay universe.
  
• Personally, I shall focus on Modern Tech roleplaying in the future though.

Can you explain what the multiverse canon system thing means? It doesn't really click in my head.

Also, I'm personally more interested in Pre-MT RPs, like in the 80s up to the end of the good ol' Cold War. But MT is alright too.

[Anatidor]

So, does any of the members wishes to hold offices? We're too small at the moment; if you ask it; you'll get it.

If there were an office dedicated to more peaceable RPs, diplomacy and stuff like that, I'd be down to take that over. I don't have much experience with military-oriented RPing, so I doubt I'd be very useful with that, but I have done a bit in the vein of diplomatic summits and state galas with some of my other accounts over the years.

[Zuvon]

Can you explain what the multiverse canon system thing means? It doesn't really click in my head.
Also, I'm personally more interested in Pre-MT RPs, like in the 80s up to the end of the good ol' Cold War. But MT is alright too.

Well, I'll try to define it more clearly.

Basically, in NS, all alliance has a designated technological era - like hardcore MT, human only.

Imperial Sovereign Alliance shall have all that, too. Our main tech era shall be Modern Tech/ Human Only. But sometimes restricting our self to merely MT roleplays can be a bit stagnating at times, so here, if anyone interested a Past Tech / Fantasy Tech roleplays can be initiated to create more opportunities and roleplay. Does it have to be considered part of our MT canon/timeline? Well it doesn't have to. Each roleplay series can exist on its own or be tied to larger canonical series, depending on everyone.

[Zuvon]

If there were an office dedicated to more peaceable RPs, diplomacy and stuff like that, I'd be down to take that over. I don't have much experience with military-oriented RPing, so I doubt I'd be very useful with that, but I have done a bit in the vein of diplomatic summits and state galas with some of my other accounts over the years.

Well it's yours. I'll get the technical aspect of our structures polished asap.

[Zuvon]

Roles of the Founder
- Maintenance and Preservation of the Alliance.`
- Process membership and approve acceptance.
- Thread maintenance. (At least bump this page up daily once so we maintain at Page 1 and not die out on page 5 )
- Train newer members how to roleplays.
- Maintain thread discipline.
- Communicate with other organization
- Maintain situation awareness for roleplay opportunities.
- Plain and execute role plays for members to have fun with.
- One of the commanders in times of war.
- Main thread administrator in normal times.
- Enforce charter
- Acting Lord Commander when the position is vacant.
-Has the right to appoint officials to assist his or her administration as the Lord Commander saw fit.
(Do not have the rights to disband the alliance unilaterally)
(Do not have the rights to declare war unilaterally)

Lord Commander a.k.a Secretary General
Current Candidate: The Realm of Bluelight

- Maintenance and Preservation of the Alliance.`
- Process membership and approve acceptance.
- Train newer members how to roleplays.
- Maintain thread discipline.
- Communicate with other organization
- Decides policies, strategies and tactics of the Alliance for his/her administration.
- Maintain situation awareness for roleplay opportunities.
- Field Commander in times of war.
- Deputy Administrator in times of peace.
- Enforce Charter
(Do not have the rights to disband the alliance unilaterally)
(Do not have the rights to declare war unilaterally)

(Roles of Deputy Lord Commander/Deputy Secretary General will be created in the future when we grow large enough)

International Affairs and Diplomacy Officer
Current Candidate: Anatidor

- Execute ISA diplomatic strategies and policies as laid down by the Lord Commander
- Chief Diplomatic Officers of the Imperial Sovereign Alliance.
- Maintain and promote good images of the ISA in diplomatic exchanges with other organizations/ powers/ nations.
- Maintain thread discipline.
- Maintain situation awareness for roleplay opportunities.

Internal Affairs and Administration Officer
Current Candidate: Vacant
- Assist Founder and Secretary General in Processing membership and approval acceptance.

Other positions will be created in time.

All positions shall serves for a 2 months tenure and contracts is renewable.

[Zuvon]

Anyway, I have an important question to ask our members (well, observer can answers as well), since this will likely affect our key principles.

* How do you guys define 'imperialism' for your nation?

Do you feel that territorial and sovereignty acquisition in NS can still be done through coercive military means?
Or establishing colonies abroad is a bad thing?

[Dragon-God Empire]

Imperial Sovereign Alliance Membership Application

Nations Official Name:Dragon-God Empire
Nation Head of State:Emperor Zhang Zhiwei
Nation Head of Government:Prime Minister Hua Guobang
Your Nation Representative to the ISA HQ:nothing
Type of Monarchy:Constitutional monarchy
Link to Factbook (if any):Constitution （https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dragon-god_empire/detail=factbook/id=1238172）

Reason for joining?monarchy
Are you a member of other existing alliance/organization? Please state.nothing
OOC Survey: Which types of roleplays do you prefer? (Military/economy/politics,etc):politics

[Aeyariss]

So, you lot started any RPs yet?

[New Aeyariss]

I hope you don't mind a reply...

* How do you guys define 'imperialism' for your nation?

An ideology including dominance of one nation over other nations.

Do you feel that territorial and sovereignty acquisition in NS can still be done through coercive military means?

It's a purely theoretical question, but I dare say, it depends on abilities of nation attempting to acquire it. The problem is, it's no longer XIX century, and "third world" populations neither have so tremendous technology gaps as we have seen in the XIX century, as well as neither have the lack of national identity that actually legitimized foreign rulers then. As such, the idea of multinational state is effectively dead.

You of course could establish dominance over a colony; but it would have required massive repressions to crush native dissent, which raises both problems of how such actions will be seen by public opinion (and today news travel with instant speed) and the fact that you would need to maintain massive military forces in said area to counter eventual insurgencies.

Today, vast majority of colonialism is "covert" and done though quiet pressuring of third world governments, arming friendly parties and economic dominance. Such colonialism tends to be far more accepted than what we have seen in XIX century.

Or establishing colonies abroad is a bad thing?

Again, we are no longer in XIX century, and I have briefly touched upon it in the last post. Running puppet governments and quietly taking over national economies is far more efficient than outright colonialism we have known in the past.

[Zuvon]

Imperial Sovereign Alliance Membership Application

Nations Official Name:Dragon-God Empire
Nation Head of State:Emperor Zhang Zhiwei
Nation Head of Government:Prime Minister Hua Guobang
Your Nation Representative to the ISA HQ:nothing
Type of Monarchy:Constitutional monarchy
Link to Factbook (if any):Constitution （https://www.nationstates.net/nation=dragon-god_empire/detail=factbook/id=1238172）

Reason for joining?monarchy
Are you a member of other existing alliance/organization? Please state.nothing
OOC Survey: Which types of roleplays do you prefer? (Military/economy/politics,etc):politics

Well, welcome, new account, to the ISA. I hope you shall be active on this account as well.

[Zuvon]

So, you lot started any RPs yet?

Well, sadly, I'm gettings stuck with RL work and unable to host RP but a ceremonial opening summit will be held soon (I pray).

[Zuvon]

I hope you don't mind a reply...

An ideology including dominance of one nation over other nations.

It's a purely theoretical question, but I dare say, it depends on abilities of nation attempting to acquire it. The problem is, it's no longer XIX century, and "third world" populations neither have so tremendous technology gaps as we have seen in the XIX century, as well as neither have the lack of national identity that actually legitimized foreign rulers then. As such, the idea of multinational state is effectively dead.

You of course could establish dominance over a colony; but it would have required massive repressions to crush native dissent, which raises both problems of how such actions will be seen by public opinion (and today news travel with instant speed) and the fact that you would need to maintain massive military forces in said area to counter eventual insurgencies.

Today, vast majority of colonialism is "covert" and done though quiet pressuring of third world governments, arming friendly parties and economic dominance. Such colonialism tends to be far more accepted than what we have seen in XIX century.

Again, we are no longer in XIX century, and I have briefly touched upon it in the last post. Running puppet governments and quietly taking over national economies is far more efficient than outright colonialism we have known in the past.

You two... same people?

Still, we're talking about NS, where everything can happen and still happens. In RL communism is as good as dead but here they're not dying. So why should territorial gain in the traditional imperialism definition be considered dead?

[New Aeyariss]

Still, we're talking about NS, where everything can happen and still happens. In RL communism is as good as dead but here they're not dying. So why should territorial gain in the traditional imperialism definition be considered dead?

No, we are both members of the Aey clan, but we are not one person ).

That said, aside from the fact that communism is anywhere near being dead IRL wise - I would say that it simply had evolved to fit failure of the USSR and post-cold war ideological shifts - it's the matter of emerging technologies and massive social changes that makes colonialism unprofitable.

Now, we need to define two ways of territorial gain; if you are trying to take a disputed chunk of land, it's a valid way of having a territorial gain. The problem is that your nation has only a certain amount of resources (population, industrial capacity, etc. etc.) which it can spend on war - and wars including indirect fire with precision guided munitions are costly. Then there is the emergency of new forms of asymmetric warfare that are far more efficient from the ones prieviously practiced that begun with Mao Zednong and Carlos Marighella.

If your nation's leadership wants to spend next 30 years fighting never ending wars in the third world - fine.

And for the last, I want to note that NS is full of nations that like to band together against "imperialism" to disguise their own imperialistic attempts under guise of fighting against imperialism. So if you want to launch conquests, ensure that your nation is top dog in every manner.

[Zuvon]

And for the last, I want to note that NS is full of nations that like to band together against "imperialism" to disguise their own imperialistic attempts under guise of fighting against imperialism. So if you want to launch conquests, ensure that your nation is top dog in every manner.

Yeah, that's why a new organization like the ISA will take baby steps - if we simply declare "Bend the knee", we'd get wrecked in no time.
Still, classical imperialism and modern imperialism still have role in roleplays I believe. Empire of Zuvon is reserving its right in the old classical context of imperialism - we'd do it if we get the chance, only carefully.

I'd like to think myself as a top dog though.But that's personal opinion. I will leave others to observe and decide in the future.

[New Aeyariss]

And for the last, I want to note that NS is full of nations that like to band together against "imperialism" to disguise their own imperialistic attempts under guise of fighting against imperialism. So if you want to launch conquests, ensure that your nation is top dog in every manner.

Yeah, that's why a new organization like the ISA will take baby steps - if we simply declare "Bend the knee", we'd get wrecked in no time.
Still, classical imperialism and modern imperialism still have role in roleplays I believe. Empire of Zuvon is reserving its right in the old classical context of imperialism - we'd do it if we get the chance, only carefully.

I'd like to think myself as a top dog though.But that's personal opinion. I will leave others to observe and decide in the future.

Intriguing... know that IC wise, from now on Nifon will have it's eyes set on Zuvon and this organisation...

[Aeyariss]

I'd like to think myself as a top dog though.But that's personal opinion. I will leave others to observe and decide in the future.

Ho, ho, ho. And observe we shall.

[Zuvon]

Intriguing... know that IC wise, from now on Nifon will have it's eyes set on Zuvon and this organisation...

Actually, to think someone from an organization like SACTO taking notice would be considered an honor.

Ho, ho, ho. And observe we shall.

Merry Christmas
Well, you are an official Observer anyway.

Zuvon, before we possibly work together I advise you to focus on a alliance-wide defense structure. My own alliance isn't dead, I've been busy with meetings and may be going out of state this month. Consider this me bookmarking the thread as well.\

Noted. My invitation for you and your members to join ISA still stands however.

When I decided to make my own monarchy alliance, I didn't think there is one around, and your MSC went up a day after ISA but now yours seems...well, sorry, very inactive and seems dead. And I didn't know Imperion still exists as well. Still, ISA exists, and I don't intend of letting it down for the time being. Otherwise what kind of Founder would I be.Well, there's no definitive restrictions that there can only be one monarchy alliance bloc in II is there. I understand that, and personally I think the more the merrier. Only of course, as much as I'd like to see ISA rise to become top dog, now...I'd settle in finding active members for now and starting activities.

Yes, all will be in good hand - once I polished the internal nuts and bolts of this alliance, that's why I'm investing time and energy into building a community. Don't worry about ISA defense structures; they'll work out on its own once we have more active members.

And calling yourself top dog, is questionable, no disrespect intended.You are also potentially invited to a Omani Royalist civil war soon but let me work out the details with my RP Group first-Valaran may aim for a smaller sized RP.

Understood, no harm done. Like I said. Everyone who considers themselves as competitive military RPer should have high level of confidence in their abilities. When I say I am 'top dog', it just mean I have every faith and confidence in my self - it may sound a bit cocky. But then again, it's my personal opinion of myself. Should I lost an RP I'll admit it and move on, and improve myself. What others think of me is their own opinion as well.

Also, when you wrote 'potentially' - is that an invitation or what? Because, sorry, "potentially invited" isn't the same as "invited". And 'you' does that mean Zuvon or the entire members of the Imperial Sovereign Alliance?