New Pacific Treaty

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
“Greetings all and thankyou for attending the New Pacific Conference here at the beautiful Hulihe’e Palace. My name is Raul Cortez-Ortega, I’m the Secretary of State for the Republic of Nahmeighn I am the Chair person for this conference, Finnian Defense Minister James Ryan is the Co-Chairman of the Conference.
We are all hear to discuss mutual defense, military standardization, joint basing, and join equipment development. Voting members of the treaty will be the Republic of Nahmeighn, the Federal Republic of New Anzakia, the Republic of Finnian Bastada, and the Kingdom of Madox. The Federation of Nordland, the Empire of Ukuskia, and the United Kingdoms of Nepal, Tibet, and Bhutan are present as special observers.” Secretary Cortez-Ortega announced.

[New Anzakia]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
As Secretary Cortez-Ortega of Nahmeighn retook his seat Margret Fletcher the Defense Minister for the Federal Republic of New Anzakia stood to speak;
“Mr. Chairman and Co-Chairman I thankyou for extending an invitation to New Anzakia to attend this conference. I would also like to thank the conference for inviting New Anzakia’s close ally the United Kingdoms of Nepal, Tibet, and Bhutan to be a special observer to the conference. A couple other senior members of our delegation include Foreign Minister Lars Blacklidge and Dr. Richard Carlyle Secretary of the Navy. ” Defense minister Fletcher announced.

[Finnian Bastada]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Col. James P. Ryan (ret.) stood and spoke
“Ladies and gentlemen I am glad we have finally decided to meet, I and Ms. Shannon Murphy Minister of foreign affairs will be representing the Finnian Republic in these talks. I’d like to touch on some history of our Alliance, the NPA was originally created between The Finnian Republic and the Empire of Maddox, together we fought the Russian before their collapse and the Nipponese in the Second Pacific war, later the nations of Nahmeighn and Anzakia joined, these 4 nations make up the original 4 nations, each of us has sponsored smaller nations to join I would like to introduce the ministers of defense from the Republic of Ireland, the Scottish Republic, the kingdom of Wales, and the Republic of Ukuskia they are here as our guest. I look forward to these talks and our great nations futures.

[Madox]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
After his friend Minister Ryan sat, Crown Prince Erwin stood, “I am prince Erwin of the Holy Empire of Madox, the madoxen people are excited for these talks and look forward to expanding our alliance the Kingdom of Nordland is here as special observers they are the newest member nation of our alliance. Madox is especially excited to discuss joint basing and settle the artic treaty as well.”

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
The Republic of Nahmeighn would like to start the discussion of Standardization with Force composition; we would like to start with air force unit and then move onto army units, and then to the navy and then finally the marines.
Defense Secretary, Gen. Marcus Collingwood stood and walked towards the podium,
“The standardization of forces is hugely important to the continuity of joint operation. At this point in time we believe it is of utmost importance that all the signatories of this treaty align the structures of their militaries. I would like to start the conversation with the structuring of our air forces. The Nahmeighn Airforce currently operates combat wings which are built around five flying squadrons which are each equipped with between 12 and 20 aircraft. These combat wing currently fly “like” types of aircraft; for example fighter wings only operate fighter aircraft and Air Refueling Wings only operate tanker aircraft. I feel that we must define a standard size for an operational flying squadron including such factors as, number of aircraft assigned, number of pilots/ aircrews assigned, and the number of ground crews assigned.” Sec. Collingwood stated

[Finnian Bastada]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
“The Finnian Republic agrees with the gentleman from Nahmeighn, with one small consideration, while the standardization of our force structure is important it is important that we recognize the unique challenges each and every one of our nations. For example, the Finnian air force has a composite airwing designed to be able to perform almost every mission our air force does, while this is a unit we have deemed as needed for our geopolitical needs, we do not expect other nations to follow our example as these units are expensive, we suggest that we standardize squadron size and allow countries to build their airwings out of these basic units, the other suggestion we bring to the table is support aircraft ie AWaC’s and refueling aircraft be attached as a squadron to the wings they support, this is the system we use and have found that it increases unit cohesion mission completion and reduces the occurrences of accidents.” Announced Minister Ryan

[New Anzakia]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Dr. Richard Carlyle stood to address the treaty counsel;
“The Federal Republic of New Anzakia agrees on points with both Finnian and Nahmeighn. The New Anzakian Airforce is currently transitioning wings comprised three squadrons of 12 or 16 combat aircraft and one squadron of 12 support aircraft. An example of this structure is a fighter wing which has three 16plane squadrons of fighters and on 12plane squadron made up of 6 awacs aircraft and 6tanker aircraft.
However we also feel that it is important to clearly define the upper limits of wing size so as to make it easier to develop the infrastructure necessary for housing and supporting these fighting units. As such we propose that a strict limit of no more than 7 squadrons per wing be adopted.” Dr. Carlyle stated .

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Sec. Collingwood stepped back to the podium
“The Republic of Nahmeighn is not opposed to integrating support aircraft such as tankers into combat wings, and in the interest of full disclosure the Republic of Nahmeighn Airforce is in the process of studying the benefits of integrating such aircraft into our combat wings.
It is the belief of the Republic of Nahmeighn Airforce that limiting wing size to no more then seven flying squadrons is both a logistical and operational matter of concern. Also, standardizing manning of squadrons is also a major operational concern. The Republic of Nahmeighn officially recommends that the nations of the New Pacific Treaty standardize on flying which are equipped with 12 aircraft for squadrons operating heavy aircraft such as bombers and tankers, and 16 aircraft for all other types of aircraft. We also recommend the members of the treaty also adopt manning standard as follows; for heavy aircraft, two full aircrews and two full ground crews per assigned aircraft, and for lighter aircraft three full aircrews and three full ground crews per assigned aircraft.” Sec. Collingwood stated.

[Nord Lander]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Hans Blomquist the Assistant Minster of Defense for International Alignment for the Republic of Nordland sat in a high backed chair listening to the representatives for the four major powers of the alliance debating the merits of force structure alignment particularly in regards to the force structure of air forces. Next to minister Blomquist Dr. Thomas Lundquist, special advisor to the Chief of Staff of the Nordland Military, sat in his chair busily taking notes. As the different representatives of the four voting members of the treaty move back and forth to the podium Minister Blomquist and a Dr. Lundquist quietly talk between themselves while observing the discussions and taking large quantities of notes.

[Finnian Bastada]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
James Ryan spoke into the microphone after confirming with Gen. Yeager chief of the air force and Minister of Defense Holtgard of the Empire of Maddox, “gentleman, ladies, The Finnian Republic and The Empire of Maddox, agree with the concept of a max wing size, both of our nations find the wing size of 7 squadrons too small, our minimum acceptable number would be 8-9 squadrons per wing, with an understanding that certain formations are not required to fit into this mold our composite wings are a prime example and a capacity that neither of our nations are willing to get rid of. We have no issue with manning requirements listed by the representatives of Nahmeighn. We also would like to request that all nations have a minimum base size, say the smallest base is able to House 2 home country wings and a single visiting wing. This will help with basing needs for our nations in times of war.”

[New Anzakia]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Maj. Gen. Charles Corning the Chief of Staff for Basing and Infrastructure for the New Anzakian Airforce stepped to the podium,
“The Federal Republic of New Anzakia agrees with all points made by the gentleman from the Finnian Republic. The New Anzakian Airforce has for several years now, been building new airfields to be able to house at least three fully equipped combat wings. as such we have started developing a nationwide system of pipelines, pumping stations, and storage tanks to ensure the delivery of fuel stores to military installations in the time of war. We encourage our fellow treaty members to invest in their military infrastructure to ensure the success of any future war effort.” Maj.Gen. Corning stated.
As Maj.Gen. Corning stepped away from the he was met by his counterpart from the Nahmeighn Airforce Lt. Gen. Roberto Ortega-Suarez.

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
As Lt. Gen. Roberto Ortega-Suarez stood and headed for the podium he passed his counter part from the New Anzakian Airforce Maj. Gen. Corning
“Chuck what was that shit about pipelines and storage tanks?” Lt.Gen. Ortega-Suarez asked
“Hey Roberto, I’m just trying remind everyone of the importance of maintaining and improving our infrastructure.” Maj.Gen. Corning replied.
“Chuck we all invest greatly in our own military infrastructure, an at this point Nahmeighn has pumped billions into Anzakia’s military infrastructure” Lt.Gen. Ortega-Suarez stated.
Lt.Gen. Ortega-Suarez then stepped to the podium,
“The Republic of Nahmeighn would like to further touch upon some basic infrastructure requirements. We need to make sure that some fairly basic items are standardized, these items include connection points for ground power and inground refueling.

[Finnian Bastada]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
“The Finnian Republic and Empire of Madox agree to the basic basing requirements and would be surprised if they do not already meet requirements” announced Minister Ryan prior to continuing “ The Finnian Republic believes, that the NPA must develop a standard for all of our weapons systems, by doing this we will be able to provide ammunition to any member nation in times of global conflict and may mean the difference between defeat or victory, The Finnian and Madoxen military has already created a standard for many AFV and man portable systems. I propose the following standard calibers for the NPA:
Tank main gun, 140mm and 120mm
Artillery 155mm
IFV autocannon 30mm and 50mm
Main battle rifle 6.8mm and 7.62 nato
Carbine .300 blackout
Pistol .45 ACP and 5.7x28mm
Sniper 6.5mm creedmore and .338 Lapua magnum
Aircraft cannon 20mm
Helicopter cannon 30mm
Standardized hardpoints for all aircraft ordnance.
The Finnian Republic would also like to discuss expansion of Nuclear arms capabilities for our non-nuclear armed members whether that be through domestically produced weapons, purchased weapons or a shared use program we are open to all options with the understanding that the big four not be the sole members of the alliance supporting the strategic defense of our member nations.”

[Madox]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Minister of Defense Holtguard stood “the Empire of Madox agrees with our Finnian allies, the standards listed are already in place in the forces of the Empire. More so the Empire would be willing to help member nations come in line with this standard through reduced prices on military equipment, a policy I believe both the Finnian Republic and Nahmeighn would agree to.”

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Sec. Collingwood walked slowly to the podium,
“The Republic of Nahmeighn agrees whole heartedly with motion put forward by Minister Ryan and the Finnian Republic. There are however a few things that the Republic of Nahmeighn feels need to be addressed, first the adoption of a standard for a light howitzer, 105mm is our recommendation. The second issue is the adoption of standard for mortars, 65mm, 87mm, and 120mm are our recommendations. And finally we recommend the creation of a joint center for standardization and integration. Outside of the before mentioned issues the rest of minister Ryan’s motion is agreeable.” Sec. Collingwood stated.

[Finnian Bastada]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Minister Ryan stood, “ladies and gentlemen the Finnian Republic agrees with the gentlemen from Nahmeighn, let’s move on to our Navies, it is the belief of the Finnian Republic and the Empire of Madox that member nations should have a minimum mission capability. Now before our smaller members get upset, we do not expect you to maintain a carrier battle group and also both The Finnian Republic and the Empire of Madox are willing to financially help our smaller member nations achieve the standard. The Standards we propose are as follows:
1. All members shall be able to provide ASW patrols in their territorial waters, and supply ASW Escorts for convoys needed to supply their nation in time of war.
2. All member nations shall maintain a fleet of submarines capable of defending their coastline and territorial waters.
3. All member nations will perform anti-piracy patrols in their territorial waters, as well as 4 vessels for international anti-piracy patrols performed by joint NPA fleets.
All of these missions can be completed through Frigates or Corvettes and cheap SSK’s, Finnian and Madoxen Naval engineers are working on affordable designs which we will supply below cost to member nations. We invite Nahmeighn and all member nations to submit designs as well.

[Nord Lander]

Kona Palace Hotel
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
The ballroom of the extremely luxurious Kona Palace Hotel was full of the visiting military officers and diplomats who are in town for the New Pacific Treaty Negotiations. At Nordland’s table Assistant Minister of Defense Hans Blomquist sat slowly eating a piece of cake and drinking a cup of coffee whilst speaking with RAdm. Marcus Gronholm the commander of the Nordlandian Navy’s aging fleet of heavy cruisers, which while still technically combat vessels the heavy cruisers are mostly used for ceremonial purposes.
“Here I sit the commanding officer of a force of ‘combat’ ships which averages nearly 60yrs in age. No to mention the fact that if my heavy cruisers would be blown clean out of the water by any of the Prussian heavy cruisers and battleships. And to make it all that much worse none of our current or proposed allies have any ships that can stand toe to toe with the Prussian battle fleet.” RAdm. Gronholm ranted.
“Are we really as out gunned against the Prussians as admiral Gronholm suggests Thomas?” Minister Blomquist asked.
“Yes, we are. With the exception of the six ceremonial cruisers our Largest warships in service are our fleet of Type 38 destroyers and our new A-Class Destroyers. We have in the works a design for a radical new class of heavy cruisers with plans to build 15 examples. But even these new heavy cruisers wont be able to stand toe to toe with the largest of the new Prussian battleships. The Nahmeighn Navy and the Finnian Navy both operate classes of big gun cruisers armed with 12-16in guns. While the guns on these ships should be capable of taking out the Prussian heavy cruisers and battleships, but there armor wouldn’t let them to take many if any hits from the Prussian big guns.” Dr. Thomas Lundquist explained

[Descrovia]

Hulihe’e Palace Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Raulas son of Abadiu, Advisor of War and Sadot of the Executive Cacique of Descrovia

Raulas glanced at his aid de campe, Captain General Giuse Lê Dang Thi, who glanced back apprehensively. They were perfectly in agreement about most points so far discussed, especially the standardization of military infrastructure. It would be costly to fix, but well worth it in the end. But the standardization of ammunition did disturb them.

Raulas took a deep breath, stood, curtly bowed in the general direction of the Big Four's delegates, and then addressed the members of the meeting:
"Regarding the proposals about the air-wings, Descrovia has endeavored to reorganize its Aviations Regiments off Finnian Air Force structure and will readily conform to the new suggestions. All of our major static airfield conform to the regulations already mentioned. We would also be willing to conduct a standardization of infrastructure, though considering we have made it compatible with most of Finnian Bastada's infrastructure, it should already be close to where it needs to be.

As for Minister Ryan's proposition about the bottom line of naval capability, Descrovia already exceeds the first two requirements and is more than willing to exceed the third one as well. Descrovia will commit 12 vessels to the NPA's international anti piracy patrols during peace but will only provide 4 during war. Captain General Giuse and Executive Longinuius have already discussed the possibility of such a task force in detail. He will see if it's composition will be acceptable with the Big Four whenever the suitable time comes. I suggest that you might also consider a requirement detailing that each navy maintain a competent fleet of coastal and oceangoing minesweepers. Mines are still a major threat, even a simple WWI mine can sink a modern destroyer if it makes contact. They have only increased in lethality and stealth.

I also wish to inquire if the "aircraft cannon" classification includes dedicated close air support aircraft as well?

Though I am well aware that Descrovia is under the protection of the Big Four, and thus I have not vote, I merely wish to suggest a slight revision to the standardization of ammunition suggested by Minister Ryan. The tank main gun ammunition listed is not suitable for true light tanks in the 7-20 ton class due to their excessive weight for in the class and the large size of the munitions. Descrovian military doctrine places a high emphasis on light tanks equipped with 90 mm low pressure main guns which have the necessary light weight go virtually everywhere the infantry can go and be deployed readily with airmobile infantry. 90 mm low pressure guns are also employed on many of our riverine gunboats. We try to ensure a compatibility between riverine munitions and the rest of our ground forces. Consistent tests have found that even 50 mm auto cannons are unable to appreciably destroy certain bunkers, particularly those constructed of thick mud, or fire a proper HEAT shell capable of punching through concrete walls of city buildings while causing appreciable damage to the occupants on the other side without a single shot.

Seeing as this is an odd doctrine used solely by Descrovia, perhaps we could be allowed to keep this caliber in use while designing and purchasing the necessary kits to convert this class of vehicles as well as riverine vessels to 30 mm and 50 mm autocannons, whichever they will be able to handle. These would be brought anywhere a motorized rifle regiment would go along with it's normal stock of spare parts which would allow ease to change should it be required in an all out war. We would also produce the necessary data chips with the necessary ballistics of these two calibers so that they can be installed in the ballistic fire computer so that accuracy will not be affected.

I would also like to inquire why 65 mm and 87 mm mortar bombs where chosen by Naihmeighn as they are very odd munitions? Surely this measure would cause the bulk of the NPA members to change their entire light and medium mortar inventories, and I would like to inquire as to it's benefits.

Again, I know that my country has no power to affect anything put force by the Big Four, but I humbly implore you to tolerate Descrovia's deviation from these proposals.

[Nahmeighn]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
The Republic of Nahmeighn would like to raise a point of concern; over the last several years the navy of the Prussian Empire have put to sea a force of highly capable and extremely dangerous battleships, and heavy cruisers. The navies of the nations attending this treaty conference do not possess the capacity currently to match the capabilities of these ships in battle. The navies of Nahmeighn and the Finnian Republic do currently operate fleets of amphibious support cruiser armed with 12in and 16in guns respectively, but these ships a not armored sufficiently to engage in a running gun fight with the before mentioned Prussian battleships and heavy cruisers. It is of upmost importance to the Republic of Nahmeighn and the Kingdom of Nordland that this sort coming in naval power is addressed as rapidly as possible.

It is also of great importance to the Republic of Nahmeighn that the members of the New Pacific Treaty create and (or) maintain reserve fleets of small cost effective war ships to be used in times of conflict to escort convoys of merchantmen. The Government of the Republic of Nahmeighn is offering discounted financing to all members of the treaty who require assistance in establishing their reserve fleets.

[New Anzakia]

Hulihe’e Palace
Kona, Kingdom of Hawaii
Minister Fletcher of New Anzakia approached the podium,
“First, I would like to remind the junior members of the conference that they are present only as observers and are not invited to speak from the podium. All questions and concerns should be submitted to the conference in writing.
Next, I would like to address the issue of weapons of mass destruction and how the matter will be handled by the members of the treaty whom possess these all-powerful weapons.
The Military of New Anzakia does not at this time possess any weapons of mass destruction. My question to the conference is, Does Anzakia need to take it upon itself to develop these weapons or will the new pacific treaty members provide us the security of these weapons”