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North Argus Slave Trade (TWI Only)

Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:05 pm

From 14th to 18th Century; many nations of the Isles were involved in the North Argus Slave Trade.

With the arrival of members of the Portuguese bourgeoisie and nobility in the Captaincy of Aldeota, there happened a lack of manpower to execute the manual labors that neither the high and the middle classes wanted to do. To solve this problem, the government of the colony partnered with the Empire of Noronica to buy its slaves. The most part was composed by poor people from Arván and Dormill and Stiura, who were catch by the Sunuwar Hangate on monthly raids and sent to the Noronicans who would in sell some of them to the most wealthy land owners of Aldeota, mainly to work in farms and mines.

- From the history factbook of Dragao do Mar

Nations such as Aldeota, Noronica and the hangates of "AM" demanded slaves to work on their plantations. Sunuwar Hangate in northern Gael were the guys to go for that. They would launch monthly raids into what is now Dormill and Stiura, Michigonia and other mainland Gael nations just to catch slaves.

Then there were certain nations who had abolished slavery and hunted down ships carrying these slaves. There were those like Pirate Queen Hema Ghotane, who would board these ships to steal all the loot including slaves. Ghotane's group would either enlist these people into their pirates or sell them to highest bidder depending on mood.

So...what did your nation do while North Argus Slave Trade was a thing?
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Postby Keomora » Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:34 pm

Actively attempt to stop it using fire and blood.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:58 am

Keomora wrote:Actively attempt to stop it using fire and blood.

Psst! What does that phrase mean...
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:23 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:
Keomora wrote:Actively attempt to stop it using fire and blood.

Psst! What does that phrase mean...

She's gonna kill you m8 ;)
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Postby Project Renegade » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:04 am

I support this slave trade.

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Postby New Totzka » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:08 am

This comes from my draft of Totzkan history covering our relationship to the Slave Trade. It takes place during a period known as the Feudo do Nobre (Noble's Feud) between the old aristocracy and the new class of the Portuguese landowners

The settlement of the Jhoufou deal led to Portuguse landowners expanding outside their traditional lands around São Tiago and into Rio de Ouro’s interior as they rapidly purchased land that had been mortgaged following the collapse of food prices in 1776. To work this land tens of thousands of slaves were transported from Portugal’s colonies in Angola and Mozambique en mass to Rio de Ouro. In order to remain competitive many Suhaans began to replace their tenant farmers with the free labour providing slaves. Other Suhaans simply forced their subjects to sell them their produce at a reduced price to compete. Among the peasantry resentment began to grow as many agricultural workers, facing poverty, chose to move to the cities to seek work among the dockyards or as construction workers. Like many cities, São Tiago faced a wave of unemployment, crime and prostitution as vast slums began to grow on the edges of the city. In 1782 Sebastião José sent soldiers into the largest of these slums in an attempt to destroy it. The ensuing riot and violence gripped the city for weeks as many wealthy foreign investors retreated to their homeland.

A crackdown in law and order by the Saaya and the Viceregal military didn’t little stem the anger felt by the Totzkan poor. In the summer of 1784 the first so called ‘Slave riots’ broke out as bands of Totzkan peasants, possibly armed by discontent Suhaans, raided slave utilising farms and began to slaughter the workers, burning down slave pens and having their inhabitants shot. Those slaves that managed to escape the massacres were often recaptured by their former owners and hung for absconding. Over three quarters of the 27,000 slaves brought to Rio de Ouro are thought to have been killed between 1784-1790. Initially landowners began to employ armies of European mercenaries to protect their farms. In 1787 one Portuguese aristocrat, Dom João Carlos de Bragança, publicly accused a neighbouring Suhaan, SãoGrace Aslambro Illo, of sending professional soldiers to raid his lands. In retaliation Bragança had his own mercenaries occupy settlements belonging to Illo, which resulted in a short fight with the local garrisons and militias of these towns. This was one of the rare instances that the Portuguese and Totzkan nobility engage in in combat with one another and is generally considered to be the climax of the Feudo do Nobre.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:53 pm

New Totzka wrote:This comes from my draft of Totzkan history covering our relationship to the Slave Trade. It takes place during a period known as the Feudo do Nobre (Noble's Feud) between the old aristocracy and the new class of the Portuguese landowners

The settlement of the Jhoufou deal led to Portuguse landowners expanding outside their traditional lands around São Tiago and into Rio de Ouro’s interior as they rapidly purchased land that had been mortgaged following the collapse of food prices in 1776. To work this land tens of thousands of slaves were transported from Portugal’s colonies in Angola and Mozambique en mass to Rio de Ouro. In order to remain competitive many Suhaans began to replace their tenant farmers with the free labour providing slaves. Other Suhaans simply forced their subjects to sell them their produce at a reduced price to compete. Among the peasantry resentment began to grow as many agricultural workers, facing poverty, chose to move to the cities to seek work among the dockyards or as construction workers. Like many cities, São Tiago faced a wave of unemployment, crime and prostitution as vast slums began to grow on the edges of the city. In 1782 Sebastião José sent soldiers into the largest of these slums in an attempt to destroy it. The ensuing riot and violence gripped the city for weeks as many wealthy foreign investors retreated to their homeland.

A crackdown in law and order by the Saaya and the Viceregal military didn’t little stem the anger felt by the Totzkan poor. In the summer of 1784 the first so called ‘Slave riots’ broke out as bands of Totzkan peasants, possibly armed by discontent Suhaans, raided slave utilising farms and began to slaughter the workers, burning down slave pens and having their inhabitants shot. Those slaves that managed to escape the massacres were often recaptured by their former owners and hung for absconding. Over three quarters of the 27,000 slaves brought to Rio de Ouro are thought to have been killed between 1784-1790. Initially landowners began to employ armies of European mercenaries to protect their farms. In 1787 one Portuguese aristocrat, Dom João Carlos de Bragança, publicly accused a neighbouring Suhaan, SãoGrace Aslambro Illo, of sending professional soldiers to raid his lands. In retaliation Bragança had his own mercenaries occupy settlements belonging to Illo, which resulted in a short fight with the local garrisons and militias of these towns. This was one of the rare instances that the Portuguese and Totzkan nobility engage in in combat with one another and is generally considered to be the climax of the Feudo do Nobre.

I like what the details here but we need more details on how this ties into the slave trade going in North Argus/rest of the Isles.

You see, our goal is to create Isles self-sufficiency. Threads like this (stand-in for trans-Atlantic/sub-Saharan slave trade in minor scale), Khas-Kirati invasions (Viking/Mongol-style invasions), Great Argus Wars (Napoleonic Wars), Great Gael War (First World War), Impetial War (Second World War), etc are to ensure that we use lesser and lesser real-world stuff and move towards TWI stuff.

Sorry if I came hard on you. Hope you understand what I am saying :)
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:36 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:
New Totzka wrote:This comes from my draft of Totzkan history covering our relationship to the Slave Trade. It takes place during a period known as the Feudo do Nobre (Noble's Feud) between the old aristocracy and the new class of the Portuguese landowners

The settlement of the Jhoufou deal led to Portuguse landowners expanding outside their traditional lands around São Tiago and into Rio de Ouro’s interior as they rapidly purchased land that had been mortgaged following the collapse of food prices in 1776. To work this land tens of thousands of slaves were transported from Portugal’s colonies in Angola and Mozambique en mass to Rio de Ouro. In order to remain competitive many Suhaans began to replace their tenant farmers with the free labour providing slaves. Other Suhaans simply forced their subjects to sell them their produce at a reduced price to compete. Among the peasantry resentment began to grow as many agricultural workers, facing poverty, chose to move to the cities to seek work among the dockyards or as construction workers. Like many cities, São Tiago faced a wave of unemployment, crime and prostitution as vast slums began to grow on the edges of the city. In 1782 Sebastião José sent soldiers into the largest of these slums in an attempt to destroy it. The ensuing riot and violence gripped the city for weeks as many wealthy foreign investors retreated to their homeland.

A crackdown in law and order by the Saaya and the Viceregal military didn’t little stem the anger felt by the Totzkan poor. In the summer of 1784 the first so called ‘Slave riots’ broke out as bands of Totzkan peasants, possibly armed by discontent Suhaans, raided slave utilising farms and began to slaughter the workers, burning down slave pens and having their inhabitants shot. Those slaves that managed to escape the massacres were often recaptured by their former owners and hung for absconding. Over three quarters of the 27,000 slaves brought to Rio de Ouro are thought to have been killed between 1784-1790. Initially landowners began to employ armies of European mercenaries to protect their farms. In 1787 one Portuguese aristocrat, Dom João Carlos de Bragança, publicly accused a neighbouring Suhaan, SãoGrace Aslambro Illo, of sending professional soldiers to raid his lands. In retaliation Bragança had his own mercenaries occupy settlements belonging to Illo, which resulted in a short fight with the local garrisons and militias of these towns. This was one of the rare instances that the Portuguese and Totzkan nobility engage in in combat with one another and is generally considered to be the climax of the Feudo do Nobre.

I like what the details here but we need more details on how this ties into the slave trade going in North Argus/rest of the Isles.

You see, our goal is to create Isles self-sufficiency. Threads like this (stand-in for trans-Atlantic/sub-Saharan slave trade in minor scale), Khas-Kirati invasions (Viking/Mongol-style invasions), Great Argus Wars (Napoleonic Wars), Great Gael War (First World War), Impetial War (Second World War), etc are to ensure that we use lesser and lesser real-world stuff and move towards TWI stuff.

Sorry if I came hard on you. Hope you understand what I am saying :)

While the goal is to use as little IRL stuff and events as possible, nations participating in IRL events is fine so long as its realistic.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:42 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:While the goal is to use as little IRL stuff and events as possible, nations participating in IRL events is fine so long as its realistic.

Aye, aye.
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Postby New Totzka » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:33 am

Athara Magarat wrote:
I like what the details here but we need more details on how this ties into the slave trade going in North Argus/rest of the Isles.

You see, our goal is to create Isles self-sufficiency. Threads like this (stand-in for trans-Atlantic/sub-Saharan slave trade in minor scale), Khas-Kirati invasions (Viking/Mongol-style invasions), Great Argus Wars (Napoleonic Wars), Great Gael War (First World War), Imperial War (Second World War), etc are to ensure that we use lesser and lesser real-world stuff and move towards TWI stuff.

Sorry if I came hard on you. Hope you understand what I am saying :)


This is why its just a draft I have on my PC and not an actual factbook yet. I want to integrate my history more with the region anyway. I'm fine switching from Africans to impoverish Gaeltics or Totzka could also become a historical exporter of slaves?
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:12 pm

New Totzka wrote:
This is why its just a draft I have on my PC and not an actual factbook yet. I want to integrate my history more with the region anyway. I'm fine switching from Africans to impoverish Gaeltics or Totzka could also become a historical exporter of slaves?

Cool :)

The North Argus slaves were mostly Kaelectians (from Dormill and Stiura and Ariua) and Michigume natives (Michigonia). There were others; mostly poor folks.

Of course! This is what the thread's about. Glad to sell you some slaves, sir.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:17 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:
New Totzka wrote:
This is why its just a draft I have on my PC and not an actual factbook yet. I want to integrate my history more with the region anyway. I'm fine switching from Africans to impoverish Gaeltics or Totzka could also become a historical exporter of slaves?

Cool :)

The North Argus slaves were mostly Kaelectians (from Dormill and Stiura and Ariua) and Michigume natives (Michigonia). There were others; mostly poor folks.

Of course! This is what the thread's about. Glad to sell you some slaves, sir.

Speaking of Kaelectians, I’ve been making strides to remake them, so expect some name changes or something else from me.

Aside that, I wonder how things’ll go with the slave trade of these people since they’re pasty white (mostly anyways)
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:20 pm

Dormill and Stiura wrote:Speaking of Kaelectians, I’ve been making strides to remake them, so expect some name changes or something else from me.

Aside that, I wonder how things’ll go with the slave trade of these people since they’re pasty white (mostly anyways)

I think they could be like how Western Europeans, North Africans, Ottomans, European khanates (Crimea, Nogai), etc had Slavic slaves.

IMO; a person's color doesn't change the fact that they can be enrolled into slavery. (Maybe this comes from a naive Nepali point of view where notions of "black" or "white" people don't exist.)
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:31 am

Athara Magarat wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:Speaking of Kaelectians, I’ve been making strides to remake them, so expect some name changes or something else from me.

Aside that, I wonder how things’ll go with the slave trade of these people since they’re pasty white (mostly anyways)

I think they could be like how Western Europeans, North Africans, Ottomans, European khanates (Crimea, Nogai), etc had Slavic slaves.

IMO; a person's color doesn't change the fact that they can be enrolled into slavery. (Maybe this comes from a naive Nepali point of view where notions of "black" or "white" people don't exist.)

of course it doesn't. People tend to forget that.
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Postby Domanania » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:48 pm

The Svérén Confederacy would have participated in either by delivering or buying slaves to then be used as galley slaves
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Postby Athara Magarat » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:26 pm

Domanania wrote:The Svérén Confederacy would have participated in either by delivering or buying slaves to then be used as galley slaves

Cool.
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Postby Torom » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:52 pm

Rich Toromans at the time would probably buy slaves at high prices around the 14th to 17th century, reaching a peak around the 1500s. People wanna sell stuff not make stuff in dirty peasant farms. *blech*

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Postby Borinsa » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:54 pm

Athara Magarat wrote:From 14th to 18th Century; many nations of the Isles were involved in the North Argus Slave Trade.

With the arrival of members of the Portuguese bourgeoisie and nobility in the Captaincy of Aldeota, there happened a lack of manpower to execute the manual labors that neither the high and the middle classes wanted to do. To solve this problem, the government of the colony partnered with the Empire of Noronica to buy its slaves. The most part was composed by poor people from Arván and Dormill and Stiura, who were catch by the Sunuwar Hangate on monthly raids and sent to the Noronicans who would in sell some of them to the most wealthy land owners of Aldeota, mainly to work in farms and mines.

- From the history factbook of Dragao do Mar

Nations such as Aldeota, Noronica and the hangates of "AM" demanded slaves to work on their plantations. Sunuwar Hangate in northern Gael were the guys to go for that. They would launch monthly raids into what is now Dormill and Stiura, Michigonia and other mainland Gael nations just to catch slaves.

Then there were certain nations who had abolished slavery and hunted down ships carrying these slaves. There were those like Pirate Queen Hema Ghotane, who would board these ships to steal all the loot including slaves. Ghotane's group would either enlist these people into their pirates or sell them to highest bidder depending on mood.

So...what did your nation do while North Argus Slave Trade was a thing?


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Let's just rewind for a moment Borinsa. This thread is for members of The Western Isles only. However, you could join the region and get involved :).
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Postby Borinsa » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:00 pm

Ainslie wrote:Let's just rewind for a moment Borinsa. This thread is for members of The Western Isles only. However, you could join the region and get involved :).


It was just a joke, I'm not actually participating.
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Borinsa wrote:
Ainslie wrote:Let's just rewind for a moment Borinsa. This thread is for members of The Western Isles only. However, you could join the region and get involved :).


It was just a joke, I'm not actually participating.

Ok, all good
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Postby Athara Magarat » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:53 pm

Torom wrote:Rich Toromans at the time would probably buy slaves at high prices around the 14th to 17th century, reaching a peak around the 1500s. People wanna sell stuff not make stuff in dirty peasant farms. *blech*

Glad we can be business partners :P
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Athara Magarat wrote:
Torom wrote:Rich Toromans at the time would probably buy slaves at high prices around the 14th to 17th century, reaching a peak around the 1500s. People wanna sell stuff not make stuff in dirty peasant farms. *blech*

Glad we can be business partners :P

If you need a way to trade them, Norland would be happy to assist for the right price
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Postby Athara Magarat » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:13 am

Ainslie wrote:If you need a way to trade them, Norland would be happy to assist for the right price

The more the merrier :)
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