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Thuzbekistan wrote:So the war ends with a loss for AM despite being a military stalemate. Alright. So, Athara, I didn't see a clear picture of who the communists are. What is AM's relationship with the communists, who are they, and how would the UCCR best become involved?

Ultimately, I plan for this war to be the reason the UCCR doesn't reconvene in 1994. Right now it's they "just didn't".

Communists would have initially been some radical youths and their professors plus some labor unions protesting for workers rights in Chuli.

In 1954, the Chuli Hangate (it is an extremely mountainous region that puts communist guerrillas at advantage) is over run by an alliance of various armed communist insurgents. Since Chuli had historically been the landlocked and useless Magarati region, virtually no one pays any attention to what even happened (I think even the UCCR is barely a year old at this point).

You see, after the Imperial War, the Magarat region has been divided into twelve hangates, each of whom are puppets to a different Free Powers nation. Chatha and Jaring are now fascist states like their protector San Montagna. Polar Svalbard has hegemony over the affairs of Tamuwan. Tamsaling is a vassal of Razzgriz while Dothrakia occupies Arun Valley.

The communists in Chuli rename their after ideology dominant in UCCR; like "X-ist". They rally people of other hangates with news propaganda and so on. Like "your rulers have betrayed your nation as foreign dogs" stuff.

In 1969 is when the People's Republic of Chuli is declared. By this time, the hangates with red text have fallen to communist revolutions as well and united under Chuli's leadership. The PRC continues its propaganda; portraying its forces as heroic soldiers marching to break the foreign chains of capitalist states.


Situation in Magarat region in 70s. The red text are communist states in the People's Republic of Chuli federation.

The 70s are basically the peaceful decade with both PRC and the southern hangates now under guardianship of power blocs. In the 80s, Marubhumi, Sinja and Tamsaling have fallen to PRC supported communist revolutions one by one. Chatha and Jaring are the only ones remaining. And this blows into war in 1991 as the 30th Parallel War.

After the 30th Parallel War, the People's Republic of Chuli transitions into Athara Magarati Federation of Hangates. Its economy is now mixed market with heavy welfare schemes.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:So the war ends with a loss for AM despite being a military stalemate. Alright. So, Athara, I didn't see a clear picture of who the communists are. What is AM's relationship with the communists, who are they, and how would the UCCR best become involved?

Ultimately, I plan for this war to be the reason the UCCR doesn't reconvene in 1994. Right now it's they "just didn't".

Communists would have initially been some radical youths and their professors plus some labor unions protesting for workers rights in Chuli.

In 1954, the Chuli Hangate (it is an extremely mountainous region that puts communist guerrillas at advantage) is over run by an alliance of various armed communist insurgents. Since Chuli had historically been the landlocked and useless Magarati region, virtually no one pays any attention to what even happened (I think even the UCCR is barely a year old at this point).

You see, after the Imperial War, the Magarat region has been divided into twelve hangates, each of whom are puppets to a different Free Powers nation. Chatha and Jaring are now fascist states like their protector San Montagna. Polar Svalbard has hegemony over the affairs of Tamuwan. Tamsaling is a vassal of Razzgriz while Dothrakia occupies Arun Valley.

The communists in Chuli rename their after ideology dominant in UCCR; like "X-ist". They rally people of other hangates with news propaganda and so on. Like "your rulers have betrayed your nation as foreign dogs" stuff.

In 1969 is when the People's Republic of Chuli is declared. By this time, the hangates with red text have fallen to communist revolutions as well and united under Chuli's leadership. The PRC continues its propaganda; portraying its forces as heroic soldiers marching to break the foreign chains of capitalist states.


Situation in Magarat region in 70s. The red text are communist states in the People's Republic of Chuli federation.

The 70s are basically the peaceful decade with both PRC and the southern hangates now under guardianship of power blocs. In the 80s, Marubhumi, Sinja and Tamsaling have fallen to PRC supported communist revolutions one by one. Chatha and Jaring are the only ones remaining. And this blows into war in 1991 as the 30th Parallel War.

After the 30th Parallel War, the People's Republic of Chuli transitions into Athara Magarati Federation of Hangates. Its economy is now mixed market with heavy welfare schemes.

I think focusing on the imperial war would be a good strategy to explain the growth of communism. The people of AM feel like the Free Powers occupying are abusing their power, (maybe have Free Power companies eliminating local companies and expanding rapidly in respective spheres of influence like U.S companies after WW2).
Because your more higher up national leaders were most likely eliminated from the war the communist leaders who were most likely more low level or not associated with the gov are able to survive and become the leaders of an "AM first" style of movement focusing on protecting the people from the Free Powers.

Dothrakia wrote:


I think focusing on the imperial war would be a good strategy to explain the growth of communism. The people of AM feel like the Free Powers occupying are abusing their power, (maybe have Free Power companies eliminating local companies and expanding rapidly in respective spheres of influence like U.S companies after WW2).
Because your more higher up national leaders were most likely eliminated from the war the communist leaders who were most likely more low level or not associated with the gov are able to survive and become the leaders of an "AM first" style of movement focusing on protecting the people from the Free Powers.

Exactly!

I mentioned in my history dispatch as well that most high-level officials of the Empire of Magarat were executed or imprisoned by the Free Powers when the Imperial War ended.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:So the war ends with a loss for AM despite being a military stalemate. Alright. So, Athara, I didn't see a clear picture of who the communists are. What is AM's relationship with the communists, who are they, and how would the UCCR best become involved?

Ultimately, I plan for this war to be the reason the UCCR doesn't reconvene in 1994. Right now it's they "just didn't".

Communists would have initially been some radical youths and their professors plus some labor unions protesting for workers rights in Chuli.

In 1954, the Chuli Hangate (it is an extremely mountainous region that puts communist guerrillas at advantage) is over run by an alliance of various armed communist insurgents. Since Chuli had historically been the landlocked and useless Magarati region, virtually no one pays any attention to what even happened (I think even the UCCR is barely a year old at this point).

You see, after the Imperial War, the Magarat region has been divided into twelve hangates, each of whom are puppets to a different Free Powers nation. Chatha and Jaring are now fascist states like their protector San Montagna. Polar Svalbard has hegemony over the affairs of Tamuwan. Tamsaling is a vassal of Razzgriz while Dothrakia occupies Arun Valley.

The communists in Chuli rename their after ideology dominant in UCCR; like "X-ist". They rally people of other hangates with news propaganda and so on. Like "your rulers have betrayed your nation as foreign dogs" stuff.

In 1969 is when the People's Republic of Chuli is declared. By this time, the hangates with red text have fallen to communist revolutions as well and united under Chuli's leadership. The PRC continues its propaganda; portraying its forces as heroic soldiers marching to break the foreign chains of capitalist states.


Situation in Magarat region in 70s. The red text are communist states in the People's Republic of Chuli federation.

The 70s are basically the peaceful decade with both PRC and the southern hangates now under guardianship of power blocs. In the 80s, Marubhumi, Sinja and Tamsaling have fallen to PRC supported communist revolutions one by one. Chatha and Jaring are the only ones remaining. And this blows into war in 1991 as the 30th Parallel War.

After the 30th Parallel War, the People's Republic of Chuli transitions into Athara Magarati Federation of Hangates. Its economy is now mixed market with heavy welfare schemes.

The UCCR could support the PRoC throughout the 70s and have put tons of propaganda and economic aid into the PRoC throughout the 60s as well. I'm not sure there is a dominant ideology. It's a very diverse group. But in the 70s, we could start building bases and deploying troops there. Thuzbek Marines would be useful here. So in 1991, we have been there for quite some time and helped each revolution gain ground. We would devote a lot to the war.

Thuzbekistan wrote:The UCCR could support the PRoC throughout the 70s and have put tons of propaganda and economic aid into the PRoC throughout the 60s as well. I'm not sure there is a dominant ideology. It's a very diverse group. But in the 70s, we could start building bases and deploying troops there. Thuzbek Marines would be useful here. So in 1991, we have been there for quite some time and helped each revolution gain ground. We would devote a lot to the war.

Wonderful. I like where this is going

Athara Magarat wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:The UCCR could support the PRoC throughout the 70s and have put tons of propaganda and economic aid into the PRoC throughout the 60s as well. I'm not sure there is a dominant ideology. It's a very diverse group. But in the 70s, we could start building bases and deploying troops there. Thuzbek Marines would be useful here. So in 1991, we have been there for quite some time and helped each revolution gain ground. We would devote a lot to the war.

Wonderful. I like where this is going

Using this, write us in as you see fit, then submit it here:) I'll talk to the gang and get back to you afterwards.

Balnik joins the fight! (Tag)

Looking forward for my first regional involvement in an RP.

Map of the Central Argus Theater:


I was told I should post this here, so besides national boarders, a map key, lighting and shading effects, what should I add to this map? I want it as detailed as possible.

Side note: Tried to represent the mountains with height maps I found off google, but that didn't go so well.


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I may change the color of the PRC to a different shade of red, because for some odd reason my mind thinks of Dr.Pepper when I look at them on the map

Razzgriz wrote:Map of the Central Argus Theater:
(Image)

I was told I should post this here, so besides national boarders, a map key, lighting and shading effects, what should I add to this map? I want it as detailed as possible.

Side note: Tried to represent the mountains with height maps I found off google, but that didn't go so well.


-edit-

I may change the color of the PRC to a different shade of red, because for some odd reason my mind thinks of Dr.Pepper when I look at them on the map

Neat. Details would depend on when exactly is this map.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Razzgriz wrote:Map of the Central Argus Theater:
(Image)

I was told I should post this here, so besides national boarders, a map key, lighting and shading effects, what should I add to this map? I want it as detailed as possible.

Side note: Tried to represent the mountains with height maps I found off google, but that didn't go so well.


-edit-

I may change the color of the PRC to a different shade of red, because for some odd reason my mind thinks of Dr.Pepper when I look at them on the map

Neat. Details would depend on when exactly is this map.

I assume 1991 as that is when the war is officially declared.

As a UCCR member, I'd like to see how this develops.

Tag.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:The UCCR could support the PRoC throughout the 70s and have put tons of propaganda and economic aid into the PRoC throughout the 60s as well. I'm not sure there is a dominant ideology. It's a very diverse group. But in the 70s, we could start building bases and deploying troops there. Thuzbek Marines would be useful here. So in 1991, we have been there for quite some time and helped each revolution gain ground. We would devote a lot to the war.

Wonderful. I like where this is going

AM, I wanna add this to UCCR history and my cannon, but I don't think its developed enough between us. While we "supported them" and we fought and all, I think we need to work out some details. We have how i and the UCCR were involved, but not so much how the war went and how Thuzbek Marines saw it.

I kind of see this as a short vietnam which put the nail in the coffin of the UCCR after UCCR forces propped up a failing and corrupt regime in the PRoC and barely contained infighting throughout the war. When we finally withdraw, the PRoC falls really quickly.

Thuzbekistan wrote:AM, I wanna add this to UCCR history and my cannon, but I don't think its developed enough between us. While we "supported them" and we fought and all, I think we need to work out some details. We have how i and the UCCR were involved, but not so much how the war went and how Thuzbek Marines saw it.

I kind of see this as a short vietnam which put the nail in the coffin of the UCCR after UCCR forces propped up a failing and corrupt regime in the PRoC and barely contained infighting throughout the war. When we finally withdraw, the PRoC falls really quickly.

This actually changes stuff. The way I saw was actually gradual expansion of PRoC from one tiny state to being a threat from the Central Argus. The only reason it even thrived being that UCCR fully backed it while Free Powers (or should I say the capitalists?) were skeptical of rearming other hangates. I cannot have PRoC falling quickly.

A. PRoC's long term progress and stability (sort of) is the reason why communist revolutions start in other hangates. The people see PRoC as the better alternative than living under fascist regimes puppetted by Free Powers. PRoC stood there as (sort of) symbol of defiance and hope (its actual internal scenarios be damned for now )

B. PRoC has to be long around for it to transition into the AM we have today.

The premise is that the conflict is long but the actual war from 1991 to 1994 is quick and devastating.

1991 - The Hang of Chatha is imprisoned in a communist uprising and his wife calls San Montagnan allies to reinstate him. PRoC, with UCCR support (maybe just technical support at this point), declares this as a sign of war and attacks San Montagna.

1992 - PRoC manages to "liberate" Chatha and somewhat on San Montagnan soil but fails due to international support for the latter. In fact, the reverse happens as San Montagna and her allies start occupying Magarat. The UCCR has no option but to send more troops (this is where Thuzbek Marines could come in) and fully be involved here in order to push back the Free Powers. The war drags as the lines continually shift. Towns and cities switch hands several times in just one battle. Both sides continually spend their manpower and other resources to outdo the other. (Thuz, maybe this can be the Vietnam that puts UCCR in coffin??)

1993 - Same as above.

1994 - It is clear that no side will gain any advantage.

1995 - Peace treaty.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:AM, I wanna add this to UCCR history and my cannon, but I don't think its developed enough between us. While we "supported them" and we fought and all, I think we need to work out some details. We have how i and the UCCR were involved, but not so much how the war went and how Thuzbek Marines saw it.

I kind of see this as a short vietnam which put the nail in the coffin of the UCCR after UCCR forces propped up a failing and corrupt regime in the PRoC and barely contained infighting throughout the war. When we finally withdraw, the PRoC falls really quickly.

This actually changes stuff. The way I saw was actually gradual expansion of PRoC from one tiny state to being a threat from the Central Argus. The only reason it even thrived being that UCCR fully backed it while Free Powers (or should I say the capitalists?) were skeptical of rearming other hangates. I cannot have PRoC falling quickly.

A. PRoC's long term progress and stability (sort of) is the reason why communist revolutions start in other hangates. The people see PRoC as the better alternative than living under fascist regimes puppetted by Free Powers. PRoC stood there as (sort of) symbol of defiance and hope (its actual internal scenarios be damned for now )

B. PRoC has to be long around for it to transition into the AM we have today.

The premise is that the conflict is long but the actual war from 1991 to 1994 is quick and devastating.

1991 - The Hang of Chatha is imprisoned in a communist uprising and his wife calls San Montagnan allies to reinstate him. PRoC, with UCCR support (maybe just technical support at this point), declares this as a sign of war and attacks San Montagna.

1992 - PRoC manages to "liberate" Chatha and somewhat on San Montagnan soil but fails due to international support for the latter. In fact, the reverse happens as San Montagna and her allies start occupying Magarat. The UCCR has no option but to send more troops (this is where Thuzbek Marines could come in) and fully be involved here in order to push back the Free Powers. The war drags as the lines continually shift. Towns and cities switch hands several times in just one battle. Both sides continually spend their manpower and other resources to outdo the other. (Thuz, maybe this can be the Vietnam that puts UCCR in coffin??)

1993 - Same as above.

1994 - It is clear that no side will gain any advantage.

1995 - Peace treaty.

That sounds good to me, actually

Thuzbekistan wrote:

Athara Magarat wrote:This actually changes stuff. The way I saw was actually gradual expansion of PRoC from one tiny state to being a threat from the Central Argus. The only reason it even thrived being that UCCR fully backed it while Free Powers (or should I say the capitalists?) were skeptical of rearming other hangates. I cannot have PRoC falling quickly.

A. PRoC's long term progress and stability (sort of) is the reason why communist revolutions start in other hangates. The people see PRoC as the better alternative than living under fascist regimes puppetted by Free Powers. PRoC stood there as (sort of) symbol of defiance and hope (its actual internal scenarios be damned for now )

B. PRoC has to be long around for it to transition into the AM we have today.

The premise is that the conflict is long but the actual war from 1991 to 1994 is quick and devastating.

1991 - The Hang of Chatha is imprisoned in a communist uprising and his wife calls San Montagnan allies to reinstate him. PRoC, with UCCR support (maybe just technical support at this point), declares this as a sign of war and attacks San Montagna.

1992 - PRoC manages to "liberate" Chatha and somewhat on San Montagnan soil but fails due to international support for the latter. In fact, the reverse happens as San Montagna and her allies start occupying Magarat. The UCCR has no option but to send more troops (this is where Thuzbek Marines could come in) and fully be involved here in order to push back the Free Powers. The war drags as the lines continually shift. Towns and cities switch hands several times in just one battle. Both sides continually spend their manpower and other resources to outdo the other. (Thuz, maybe this can be the Vietnam that puts UCCR in coffin??)

1993 - Same as above.

1994 - It is clear that no side will gain any advantage.

1995 - Peace treaty.

That sounds good to me, actually

Since Brulafi is close to AM, maybe it could be the basing ground for UCCR operations? It'd be like Thailand if we want to go with the Vietnam analogy.

Brulafi wrote:

Thuzbekistan wrote:
That sounds good to me, actually

Since Brulafi is close to AM, maybe it could be the basing ground for UCCR operations? It'd be like Thailand if we want to go with the Vietnam analogy.

Absolutely. At least for air bases.

Thuzbekistan wrote:

Brulafi wrote:
Since Brulafi is close to AM, maybe it could be the basing ground for UCCR operations? It'd be like Thailand if we want to go with the Vietnam analogy.

Absolutely. At least for air bases.

Perfect; at this stage, I'm not even sure what capacity Brulafi would serve beyond that. Maybe providing small amounts of volunteer forces?

Brulafi wrote:Perfect; at this stage, I'm not even sure what capacity Brulafi would serve beyond that. Maybe providing small amounts of volunteer forces?

Yes! Volunteers are always welcome.

Athara Magarat wrote:

Brulafi wrote:Perfect; at this stage, I'm not even sure what capacity Brulafi would serve beyond that. Maybe providing small amounts of volunteer forces?

Yes! Volunteers are always welcome.

Yeah, I'll add some airborne guys to my factbooks and make sure to note some army and airborne deployment to Chuli. Would it work if perhaps an airborne brigade was sent as a training/advisory force sometime in the late 1980s, but then as the war flares up in '91, then a regular mechanized infantry brigade is sent up as well to act as a conventional military force? I wouldn't be able to do much without Monty declaring war on me, or so I assume since I'm his southern neighbor.

Brulafi wrote:

Athara Magarat wrote:Yes! Volunteers are always welcome.

Yeah, I'll add some airborne guys to my factbooks and make sure to note some army and airborne deployment to Chuli. Would it work if perhaps an airborne brigade was sent as a training/advisory force sometime in the late 1980s, but then as the war flares up in '91, then a regular mechanized infantry brigade is sent up as well to act as a conventional military force? I wouldn't be able to do much without Monty declaring war on me, or so I assume since I'm his southern neighbor.

Monty would be walking a fine line with a UCCR member to his south. Your increased involvement would probably make them nervous to say the least

Thuzbekistan wrote:

Brulafi wrote:Yeah, I'll add some airborne guys to my factbooks and make sure to note some army and airborne deployment to Chuli. Would it work if perhaps an airborne brigade was sent as a training/advisory force sometime in the late 1980s, but then as the war flares up in '91, then a regular mechanized infantry brigade is sent up as well to act as a conventional military force? I wouldn't be able to do much without Monty declaring war on me, or so I assume since I'm his southern neighbor.

Monty would be walking a fine line with a UCCR member to his south. Your increased involvement would probably make them nervous to say the least

I suppose this is more a question for him to answer, but would his nervous attitude result in him striking across the border at Brulafi?

I’m wondering what Aizcona’s place in this could be

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Aizcona wrote:I’m wondering what Aizcona’s place in this could be

I mean you are Mik's ally, aren't you?