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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:56 pm

It was said that when the dust finally settled all the way in 1927, at the end of the Second Oster War, that nearly 5 million men had lost their lives. I do not believe these figures, because they only show the poor men sent to fight. The cost of civilian lives caught in the crossfire between the dominant powers of Gael number well past 10 million, maybe even close to 20. When reflecting on these years, we can only describe it as the most dramatic tragedy ever played on the world stage ...

The Great Gael War


Welcome one and all! This is the Great Gael War, a new pet-project of mine that intends to finally fill the hole that is World War One!

Now I bet you're wondering "Why a Great War in Gael? I thought Gael was super peaceful?", and yeah (mostly). Modern Gael is the most peaceful sub-region of TWI, but this peace typically if not always comes from a source of great tragedy, and this is meant to be it. How did I come to this conclusion? Well as I was (shameless plug) writing my modern history, I recalled a point made by Oste on the Gael Historical Collaboration Thread to the following effect

When Verdon invaded, Dormill and Stiura saw this as an opportunity to both block Verdonian expansion in the area and gain more influence for itself. Dormill and Stiura therefore invaded as well, from the opposite direction, in an attempt to disrupt the Verdonian advancement. That was one of the reasons (beside a prolonged war) that Verdon couldn't advance further to north Ostehaar, and had to sign a truce, occupying the south-eastern areas. The south-western areas then remained under the control of Dormill and Stiura. In the 1920's, when Ostehaar liberated the southern areas - it liberated all of them and drove out both Verdon and Dormill and Stiura.

In between (1890's - 1920's), the Verdonian-D&S frontline was practically a "no man's land" and an attrition war was fought there, on-and-off. During WWI, Dormill and Stiura fought Verdon along that frontline, but no significant advancements were made.


So, put two and two together and I decided that why not blend WW1 with this conflict Verdon and I would have over Southern Ostehaar, thus the seeds of the Great Gael War were planted. Soon after I figured that out, I realized something else, that Verdon and I at that time had massive empires, and equally large spheres of influence throughout the eastern half of TWI.

This is where I want to start the discussion, with a timeline of possible events:
  • 1893: Verdon Invades Ostehaar by sea, catching the young nation off-guard and undefended. A brief battle opens up nearly all of Southern Ostehaar to Verdonian conquest.
  • 1894: Dormill and Stiura, seeing the invasion as an open invitation to follow suit, invades Ostehaar and forms a three-way front between itself, the Osters, and the Verdonians.
  • 1895: The Treaty of Sertomir and the Treaty of Waalwijk are signed establishing Verdonian and Republican zones of control in Ostehaar respectively, no treaty is signed between the United Republics and Verdon, starting an unspoken war between the two over makeshift trenches.
  • 1901: The Peace of Rio Pena effectively ends Dormill-Stiuraian dominion over eastern Argus, this devastating political defeat drives President Nicholas Favre to double his efforts against Verdonian occupied Ostehaar, to little avail as the nation lacks the finances to start another war as soon as the last one.
  • 1905: The Canal War begins, with Dormill and Stiura fighting Wellsia for control over the South Argus Canal. Verdon (likely) intervenes in the favor of Wellsia, forcing the Dormill-Stiuraians to focus their efforts in Gael rather than in Argus, eventually resulting in yet another peace.
  • 1908: Revolution stirs in Dormill and Stiura as President Favre tries everything he can to assert the power of Dormill and Stiura, and again initiates new operations in Ostehaar to much the same lack of success as before, this however pushes the Verdonians far enough to declare war on Dormill and Stiura soon afterwards.
  • 1909: The Great Gael War begins in earnest in the early days of the spring, with offensives by Dormill and Stiura in both Ostehaar and Verdonian lands somewhere that would be defined as its 'mainland'.
  • September, 1909: The Revolution against Favre begins, causing turmoil along the Dormill-Stiuraian lines, little progress is made by the Republicans over the winter as Verdon reinforces itself in better positions.
  • 1910: Dieudonne Blaise is elected President, and chooses to prosecute the war further, this is when the allies of both sides of the war become involved.
  • 1911: Another year of war yields nothing but more dead men, only one operation of note takes place over the summer by the Verdonians in an attempt to break a Dormill-Stiuraian salient.
  • 1913: Two years come and go, the situation in Ostehaar has turned to the advantage of Verdon while the Verdonian heartland are coming under the bombing sights of Dormill and Stiura's new air force.
  • 1915: With even less movement on the front, the two sides begin to consider peace, and talks begin in the presence of a ceasefire.
  • 1925: By now, although no permanent peace has been reached, the ceasefire between the two sides of the Great Gael War has held for 10 years, rendering the war over in all but name. Later on, just before the Second Oster War begins, a new round of talks gains significant ground, but its members are killed by Osters disguised as each other's bodyguards, beginning the Second Oster War.
  • 1927: After significant losses on all three sides, a permanent peace of status quo ante bellum is adopted, restoring the borders of Ostehaar and Verdon, additionally levying reparations from both Verdon and Dormill and Stiura to Ostehaar. Separate settlements are made between the allies of the three powers are made through 1930.

And now, I leave things to the rest of Gael. What do you think of this? What do you want to do with this? Let me know and we can work on some very good history.

Thanks for reading!

- Dormill
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:12 am

Wondering how much non-Gael nations get to be involved.

Is there going to be any link with GAW? I mean, this is around the timeframe that the final two GAW events were to take place.
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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:31 am

I'm very much in favor of this.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 5:18 am

If I remember correctly, ostehaar and I were close at this time. My nation started falling apart in 1925 or so, but we also had tentatively close relations to verdon at the time. I know I said I would stay out, but I read over my history and I'm extremely dissatisfied with the reasoning of my coup in 1937. I think this war will help.

In order for me to take part, I really need to iron out my relations with noronica, verdon, dorm, and ostehaar at the time. I think I would rather have good relations with oste, so we deploy our forces to side against both dorm and verdon. Naval skirmishes and battles against verdon and heavy ground fighting in ostehaar would be the major fronts for me.

If noronica jumps in for oste and against dorm, it could also be a basis for tentatively positive relations between noron and I today.
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Postby Wellsia » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:14 am

On behalf of the Nebursian Empire (Wellsia), I like it.

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Postby Verdon » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:22 am

This is great. I know we had already talked about something like this months ago over discord. I'd like to use this as an opportunity to edit my history, as I've never really been able to get enough of my neighbors to go along with the Verdonese Empire idea - as Ainslie wasn't up for it (we made a different deal, although he's changed his nation since then), Orsandia is hard to contact for me, and the person in Roendavar's area keeps changing every month. Intstead, I'd like to be 'an empire that could have been' - and this event being what all went wrong and tripped up a Verdon that was at it's peak economic and military strength.

My only initial comment is how are you bombing my homelands when I've got you pushed back in southern Ostehaar? Would you be okay with changing that to naval bombardment of important Verdonese ports?

I've got a lot of thoughts on this, expect maps to follow.
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Postby Corindia » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:12 am

So are there going to be distinct spheres of influence and interbational factions because this is sort of an empty period of my history and I wouldn't mind being influenced by one. Probably wouldn't be in the war proper due to location

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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:30 am

This is all going to add to much detail to a fraction of my history. :P

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Ostehaar wrote:This is all going to add to much detail to a fraction of my history. :P

What do you think about thuzbek troops on your soil, eh?
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Thuzbekistan wrote:
Ostehaar wrote:This is all going to add to much detail to a fraction of my history. :P

What do you think about thuzbek troops on your soil, eh?

Depends on the scope. Generally the war of 1925 is meant to be a heroic Oster triumph over the forces of occupation blah blah blah, so too much foreign intervention in Ostehaar's favor would not go along with this line.

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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:28 am

Verdon wrote:This is great. I know we had already talked about something like this months ago over discord. I'd like to use this as an opportunity to edit my history, as I've never really been able to get enough of my neighbors to go along with the Verdonese Empire idea - as Ainslie wasn't up for it (we made a different deal, although he's changed his nation since then), Orsandia is hard to contact for me, and the person in Roendavar's area keeps changing every month. Intstead, I'd like to be 'an empire that could have been' - and this event being what all went wrong and tripped up a Verdon that was at it's peak economic and military strength.

My only initial comment is how are you bombing my homelands when I've got you pushed back in southern Ostehaar? Would you be okay with changing that to naval bombardment of important Verdonese ports?

I've got a lot of thoughts on this, expect maps to follow.

The idea that I’m having is that D&S will perform a naval invasion on the Verdonian homeland a-la Gallipoli, and creates a beachhead that soon stagnates. The whole thing is that while Verdon sees success in Ostehaar, D&S sees success in the Verdonese homeland, leading both to flip-flopping on their priorities and eventually stalling the war entirely.

If not in Verdon, I do like the idea of a second front between us being somewhere so the war isn’t entirely concentrated in Southern Ostehaar.

Corindia wrote:So are there going to be distinct spheres of influence and interbational factions because this is sort of an empty period of my history and I wouldn't mind being influenced by one. Probably wouldn't be in the war proper due to location


Yes, there are going to be distinct spheres of influence going into this. As far as I know, I have a large amount of control over the Southern Sea, while Verdon has the Eterna. As for mainland Gael, I can see Agadar and Michigonia siding with Verdon and I respectively. Beyond Gael, I don’t know nor do I really think many other nations in Argus or the Mesder will choose a side and fight; they could come in with volunteers or aid, but not actually fighting.

Athara Magarat wrote:Wondering how much non-Gael nations get to be involved.

Is there going to be any link with GAW? I mean, this is around the timeframe that the final two GAW events were to take place.


The only link I’ve made it to the Great Argus Wars is with the Second Central Argus War and the Canal War. Both of those are only used to give context as to why D&S pushed even harder against Verdon.
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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:40 am

Ostehaar wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:What do you think about thuzbek troops on your soil, eh?

Depends on the scope. Generally the war of 1925 is meant to be a heroic Oster triumph over the forces of occupation blah blah blah, so too much foreign intervention in Ostehaar's favor would not go along with this line.

Might be interesting if there was a significant foreign presence, but that we performed extremely badly compared to oster troops, barely holding the line while oster troops broke then enemy and won the day with thuzbek troops, tho large in number, too demoralized and disorganized to keep up. On top of this, bad policing could lead to accusations against us that fuel stereotypes and hatred to this day.

Your people could have even come to see us as a third invader, creating a political movement to have us removed from the country.
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Postby Ostehaar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Thuzbekistan wrote:Your people could have even come to see us as a third invader, creating a political movement to have us removed from the country.

I like this.

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Postby Thuzbekistan » Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:11 pm

Ostehaar wrote:
Thuzbekistan wrote:Your people could have even come to see us as a third invader, creating a political movement to have us removed from the country.

I like this.

So we can lower the troop levels so I have maybe a division there and my war is mainly fought at sea. The latter effect will still be there, but the oster victory is still oster.
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Postby Roendavar » Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:23 pm

Verdon wrote:This is great. I know we had already talked about something like this months ago over discord. I'd like to use this as an opportunity to edit my history, as I've never really been able to get enough of my neighbors to go along with the Verdonese Empire idea - as Ainslie wasn't up for it (we made a different deal, although he's changed his nation since then), Orsandia is hard to contact for me, and the person in Roendavar's area keeps changing every month. Intstead, I'd like to be 'an empire that could have been' - and this event being what all went wrong and tripped up a Verdon that was at it's peak economic and military strength.

My only initial comment is how are you bombing my homelands when I've got you pushed back in southern Ostehaar? Would you be okay with changing that to naval bombardment of important Verdonese ports?

I've got a lot of thoughts on this, expect maps to follow.


Well, I do plan on committing so you might see me here for a long time. Anyway, we haven't done much nationbuilding despite our two countries very close to each other. Perhaps this could be the perfect opportunity for it? As of now I am rewriting my history to further incorporate myself into the region and be much closer to a lot of you.

As for the Great Gael War, I was planning to have Roendavar side with the Empire of Verdon considering the sphere of influence. To tie the war with my Velvet Revolution, however, I'll have one of my states, Vastaros, to side with another country, perhaps Ostehaar or D&S depending on who looks the strongest since they wouldn't risk going against the central government without the promise of a huge ally backing them up. That would be the case until 1911. To my understanding, Verdon sort of got the advantage and that would ruin Vastaros' economy and manpower since they would be supporting the "losing side". Unrest, revolution starts in Vastaros and eventually spreads to the main island, monarchs escape to Ainslie, a "republic" is set up, dictator switches Roendavar to side against Verdon. This would continue until 1926 when said dictator is assassinated and the Kingdom is restored. Around this time, Roendavar would be exiting the war front and would begin to assist all sides. The country would still pay reparations for siding with Verdon in the initial war if the countries choose to.

Dormill and Stiura wrote:The idea that I’m having is that D&S will perform a naval invasion on the Verdonian homeland a-la Gallipoli, and creates a beachhead that soon stagnates. The whole thing is that while Verdon sees success in Ostehaar, D&S sees success in the Verdonese homeland, leading both to flip-flopping on their priorities and eventually stalling the war entirely.

If not in Verdon, I do like the idea of a second front between us being somewhere so the war isn’t entirely concentrated in Southern Ostehaar.


I understand that D&S have control over the Southern Sea and Verdon in the Eterna Sea. Seeing as I am between the two of those, perhaps we could do the sea invasion from my place and eventually land on the eastern side of Verdon. When would this sea invasion take place? My dictator would probably side with you. My revolution would take place in 1911 and you stated the allies would be involved around 1910. Perfect timing. So yeah, offering that side.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:46 am

Roendavar wrote:
Dormill and Stiura wrote:The idea that I’m having is that D&S will perform a naval invasion on the Verdonian homeland a-la Gallipoli, and creates a beachhead that soon stagnates. The whole thing is that while Verdon sees success in Ostehaar, D&S sees success in the Verdonese homeland, leading both to flip-flopping on their priorities and eventually stalling the war entirely.

If not in Verdon, I do like the idea of a second front between us being somewhere so the war isn’t entirely concentrated in Southern Ostehaar.


I understand that D&S have control over the Southern Sea and Verdon in the Eterna Sea. Seeing as I am between the two of those, perhaps we could do the sea invasion from my place and eventually land on the eastern side of Verdon. When would this sea invasion take place? My dictator would probably side with you. My revolution would take place in 1911 and you stated the allies would be involved around 1910. Perfect timing. So yeah, offering that side.

Okay, I'm seeing this and picturing what would go down.

So after most of Roendavar sides with Verdon, D&S will move to invade Roendavar proper in order to knock it out of the war quickly. This invasion sees initial success but before long, the Verdonian Navy intervenes and catches the DSN in a battle that lasts several days. At the same time as that, the Dormill-Stiuraian Army presses deeper into the island, meeting sporadic but hardy defenses along the way. Vastaros, seeing the winds of fate change, sides with the United Republics and opens up a new front in Roendavar, this causes the situation to go absolutely haywire and sets up the situation you mentioned in your response to Verdon, with a Dormill-Stiuraian General being established as "dictator" throughout the rest of the war.

After this, D&S will attempt an invasion of Verdon to some success, but ultimately will be bogged down by the much more competent defenses of Verdon.
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Postby Dormill and Stiura » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:46 am

Corindia wrote:Obligatory plane post:
So uhhhhh who is in the market for interwar/great war era planes? I have a handful

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Postby Roendavar » Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:53 am

Dormill and Stiura wrote:
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I understand that D&S have control over the Southern Sea and Verdon in the Eterna Sea. Seeing as I am between the two of those, perhaps we could do the sea invasion from my place and eventually land on the eastern side of Verdon. When would this sea invasion take place? My dictator would probably side with you. My revolution would take place in 1911 and you stated the allies would be involved around 1910. Perfect timing. So yeah, offering that side.

Okay, I'm seeing this and picturing what would go down.

So after most of Roendavar sides with Verdon, D&S will move to invade Roendavar proper in order to knock it out of the war quickly. This invasion sees initial success but before long, the Verdonian Navy intervenes and catches the DSN in a battle that lasts several days. At the same time as that, the Dormill-Stiuraian Army presses deeper into the island, meeting sporadic but hardy defenses along the way. Vastaros, seeing the winds of fate change, sides with the United Republics and opens up a new front in Roendavar, this causes the situation to go absolutely haywire and sets up the situation you mentioned in your response to Verdon, with a Dormill-Stiuraian General being established as "dictator" throughout the rest of the war.

After this, D&S will attempt an invasion of Verdon to some success, but ultimately will be bogged down by the much more competent defenses of Verdon.


Great idea but the thing is, I already have a dictator set in mind since the revolution was already written when we established the Great Gael War. We could do it so that you helped put him in power and then the government would act as a puppet under your leadership and then we could do the sea invasion of Verdon. Since you sort of invaded Roendavar, the people would eventually rebel and remove the puppet government around 1926. Considering the already stagnant front with Verdon, I'm assuming your army would not have enough resources to take back the islands. That would be my time to exit the war.
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