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Postby Orostan » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:58 am

Somewhere in the bunker complex of Brasilia, missile command general Felipe Dias coughs.

New Metropolitan France wrote:"Perhaps Mr Higashi of the FSR's pledge to regain nuclear weapon capabilities and recent 'Unusual activity at Atomic Complex'?"

”I believe... it is well within the rights of my country to have nuclear weapons, and that as long as any other nation in the world has nuclear weapons the Federation should as well. I have not acted on this, yet. The ‘unusual activity’ written about in an Orostani paper was something I asked the Energy Department about. It was an entirely civilian operation. However, the Federation has the capacity to produce Nuclear weapons and has had it for quite some time. This is open to you.”


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New Metropolitan France wrote:"In other areas of policy, I would agree. However your own nation, albeit in different times, was the one to impose the nuclear weapon limits. Surely you'd be open to at least hearing the FSR's response to this discussion?"

He turned to look expectantly at the reaction of the FSR delegation.


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Postby Helensted » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:36 am

The usually silent Emperor Martin responds to Mr. Higashi’s most recent statement.

“I only speak during these gatherings when I find something either truly necessary to talk about, or blatantly stupid in nature. I think we can all agree on the latter here, the Federation of Socialist Republics should be heavily restricted in its nuclear capabilities for the same reason you take a toy from an infant when he’s proven to not be ready for it. The FSR’s upper echelon of command has shown complete and utter incompetence in its use of missiles and nuclear weapons, mind you all.”
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:05 am

The NAF agrees with Martin; the FSR is already on bad terms with much of the rest of the World. To legally allow the FSR to nuclearize would only make the rest of the World feel unsafe. A large collectivized group that doesn't feel secure can lead to unbelievable consequences."

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Postby Orbanis » Sun Aug 26, 2018 7:36 am

After sitting in silence for the entirety of the summit, Prince Masako Owada stands up and addresses the delegation:

"While Japan is committed to remain out of global affairs, I feel that the subject of nuclear weapons is one that cannot go unaddressed. Japan possesses no nuclear weapons of any king, nor does it posses any sort of WMD. As victims of nuclear attacks the Japanese people staunchly oppose the possession of any sort of nuclear weapons. While Japan would like nothing better then to denuclearize the world or replace nuclear weapons with WMDs that do not have lasting effect, I am aware that this is a futile argument.

That being said, Japan would like to make it known that we support the restrictions of nuclear weapons within the Federation of Socialist Republics. We say this as supporters of a non-nuclear world and as concerned members of the international community. Both Emperor Martin and Foreign Minister Constantinus are correct in their assessments of the situation and Japan does not feel that South America will remain stable should the FSR have access to these weapons, particularly with the recent establishment of the Magellan Republic.
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Postby Orostan » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:59 am

Helensted wrote:The usually silent Emperor Martin responds to Mr. Higashi’s most recent statement.

“I only speak during these gatherings when I find something either truly necessary to talk about, or blatantly stupid in nature. I think we can all agree on the latter here, the Federation of Socialist Republics should be heavily restricted in its nuclear capabilities for the same reason you take a toy from an infant when he’s proven to not be ready for it. The FSR’s upper echelon of command has shown complete and utter incompetence in its use of missiles and nuclear weapons, mind you all.”

”We were right about Zackaroth and you know it. The only thing we did wrong was not knowing how many missiles the Zackrothians were going to fire at us.”

The Underground Movement Union wrote:The NAF agrees with Martin; the FSR is already on bad terms with much of the rest of the World. To legally allow the FSR to nuclearize would only make the rest of the World feel unsafe. A large collectivized group that doesn't feel secure can lead to unbelievable consequences."

Orbanis wrote:After sitting in silence for the entirety of the summit, Prince Masako Owada stands up and addresses the delegation:

"While Japan is committed to remain out of global affairs, I feel that the subject of nuclear weapons is one that cannot go unaddressed. Japan possesses no nuclear weapons of any king, nor does it posses any sort of WMD. As victims of nuclear attacks the Japanese people staunchly oppose the possession of any sort of nuclear weapons. While Japan would like nothing better then to denuclearize the world or replace nuclear weapons with WMDs that do not have lasting effect, I am aware that this is a futile argument.

That being said, Japan would like to make it known that we support the restrictions of nuclear weapons within the Federation of Socialist Republics. We say this as supporters of a non-nuclear world and as concerned members of the international community. Both Emperor Martin and Foreign Minister Constantinus are correct in their assessments of the situation and Japan does not feel that South America will remain stable should the FSR have access to these weapons, particularly with the recent establishment of the Magellan Republic.


”The Federation has no desire to use nuclear weapons, they are a deterrent and nothing more. The Americans have nuclear bombs, the French have the bomb, and so do most of the countries that the Federation has problems with. Let me remind all of you that Orostan only shot missiles at military targets in the war with Zackaroth, while Zackaroth went for civilian targets. All of you must realize that if your country was in this position, you would be demanding the right to posses nuclear weapons too.”
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Postby Anxiety Cafe » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:13 am

Medina snorted at the last comments from the FSR delegation, rolling his eyes.

"The FSR has shown time and time again to have the military mentality of a child, throwing tantrums when it doesn't get what it wants," he remarked softly, but still loud enough for others to hear. "Why should a child be allowed to have the ability to kill millions with the push of a button? Until the FSR shows itself to be capable of rational thought before it takes action, the nations of the world cannot, in good faith, legally allows them to possess nuclear weapons."

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Postby Orostan » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:20 pm

AnxIETy cafE wrote:Medina snorted at the last comments from the FSR delegation, rolling his eyes.

"The FSR has shown time and time again to have the military mentality of a child, throwing tantrums when it doesn't get what it wants," he remarked softly, but still loud enough for others to hear. "Why should a child be allowed to have the ability to kill millions with the push of a button? Until the FSR shows itself to be capable of rational thought before it takes action, the nations of the world cannot, in good faith, legally allows them to possess nuclear weapons."

”Says the person representing a country which hosts foreign militaries as a direct threat against the FSR. My country has already experienced the death of millions of its citizens, we very well know what nuclear weapons can do. As long as your country and many others threaten the Federation, we will need nuclear weapons.”
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.

Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”

Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"



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Postby Puertollano » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:49 pm

AnxIETy cafE wrote:Medina snorted at the last comments from the FSR delegation, rolling his eyes.

"The FSR has shown time and time again to have the military mentality of a child, throwing tantrums when it doesn't get what it wants," he remarked softly, but still loud enough for others to hear. "Why should a child be allowed to have the ability to kill millions with the push of a button? Until the FSR shows itself to be capable of rational thought before it takes action, the nations of the world cannot, in good faith, legally allows them to possess nuclear weapons."


“Speak up, if you do not have the guts to declare it, you may as well stay quiet,” Castillo responded.
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Postby Puertollano » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:53 pm

Orbanis wrote:After sitting in silence for the entirety of the summit, Prince Masako Owada stands up and addresses the delegation:

"While Japan is committed to remain out of global affairs, I feel that the subject of nuclear weapons is one that cannot go unaddressed. Japan possesses no nuclear weapons of any king, nor does it posses any sort of WMD. As victims of nuclear attacks the Japanese people staunchly oppose the possession of any sort of nuclear weapons. While Japan would like nothing better then to denuclearize the world or replace nuclear weapons with WMDs that do not have lasting effect, I am aware that this is a futile argument.

That being said, Japan would like to make it known that we support the restrictions of nuclear weapons within the Federation of Socialist Republics. We say this as supporters of a non-nuclear world and as concerned members of the international community. Both Emperor Martin and Foreign Minister Constantinus are correct in their assessments of the situation and Japan does not feel that South America will remain stable should the FSR have access to these weapons, particularly with the recent establishment of the Magellan Republic.


“I was expecting something better from you,” the President said. “Why don’t you barrage against the intervention of the European CSN against the sovereign rights of nations in the South? If I remember correctly, wasn’t your nation in favour of leaving the CSN? If so, why are you pursuing international tyranny over demestic policy? I’m disappointed.”
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Postby Anxiety Cafe » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:20 pm

Orostan wrote:
AnxIETy cafE wrote:Medina snorted at the last comments from the FSR delegation, rolling his eyes.

"The FSR has shown time and time again to have the military mentality of a child, throwing tantrums when it doesn't get what it wants," he remarked softly, but still loud enough for others to hear. "Why should a child be allowed to have the ability to kill millions with the push of a button? Until the FSR shows itself to be capable of rational thought before it takes action, the nations of the world cannot, in good faith, legally allows them to possess nuclear weapons."

”Says the person representing a country which hosts foreign militaries as a direct threat against the FSR. My country has already experienced the death of millions of its citizens, we very well know what nuclear weapons can do. As long as your country and many others threaten the Federation, we will need nuclear weapons.”


"An attempt to distract from the topic at hand, how surprising," Ramirez muttered, only loud enough for his fellow Magellan representatives to chuckle at.

"Many nations do not possess nuclear weapons that are under threat from other nations. Japan, for example, as the honorable Prince Mowada mentioned. Magella, another. I could take the time to list them all, but I'd hope you understand my point. Being under threat from other nations does not immediately qualify yours for possession of nuclear weapons, especially considering the points I've already brought up. Until your nation proves that it is responsible enough to host nuclear weapons, it should not have them. This is a matter of life and death. Allowing the FSR to legally have nuclear weapons could potentially mean the death of citizens of many nations with whom the FSR is at odds. I'm sure we all know just how much the FSR loves to conduct military operations and then feign ignorance when the backlash arrives?"

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Postby Arecla » Sun Aug 26, 2018 2:29 pm

AnxIETy cafE wrote:"An attempt to distract from the topic at hand, how surprising," Ramirez muttered, only loud enough for his fellow Magellan representatives to chuckle at.

"Many nations do not possess nuclear weapons that are under threat from other nations. Japan, for example, as the honorable Prince Mowada mentioned. Magella, another. I could take the time to list them all, but I'd hope you understand my point. Being under threat from other nations does not immediately qualify yours for possession of nuclear weapons, especially considering the points I've already brought up. Until your nation proves that it is responsible enough to host nuclear weapons, it should not have them. This is a matter of life and death. Allowing the FSR to legally have nuclear weapons could potentially mean the death of citizens of many nations with whom the FSR is at odds. I'm sure we all know just how much the FSR loves to conduct military operations and then feign ignorance when the backlash arrives?"

"We also know about how Magellan intelligence agencies love to outright lie about evidence, even regarding stuff that can be checked publically right?" retorted Sanarov.

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Postby Orbanis » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:09 pm

Puertollano wrote:
“I was expecting something better from you,” the President said. “Why don’t you barrage against the intervention of the European CSN against the sovereign rights of nations in the South? If I remember correctly, wasn’t your nation in favour of leaving the CSN? If so, why are you pursuing international tyranny over demestic policy? I’m disappointed.”


The Prince looks at the President, "And I was expecting better of you. Japan currently has a desire to remain out of international affairs and you are correct in the fact that we are re-evaluating the CSN. The rights of the South are being impeded by the CSN, as are they the ambitions of your own nation. A simple vote over the independence of the ABC Islands has been blocked time and time again because neither side wishes to compromise and see to it that all parties can observe the situation. Further, Japan has no interest in these matters as they do not concern us nor do we wish to be entangled by affairs outside our borders"

The Prince narrows his eyes, "Why you think so little of us for opposing the use of a weapon that causes so much death and destruction is an insult to the people of Japan. We have seen nuclear fire, my Father and many of our elders remember the devastation well. Nuclear weapons are not a domestic policy, they are a loaded gun held at a select few nations that have the ability to end the world who only withhold their use due to the MAD doctrine. Japan will not stand for more of these weapons entering the world, war with them means the end of not just one or two nations, but all of us. If you cannot understand why this is an issue then you have no understanding of me and my people."
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Postby Anxiety Cafe » Sun Aug 26, 2018 3:42 pm

Arecla wrote:
AnxIETy cafE wrote:"An attempt to distract from the topic at hand, how surprising," Ramirez muttered, only loud enough for his fellow Magellan representatives to chuckle at.

"Many nations do not possess nuclear weapons that are under threat from other nations. Japan, for example, as the honorable Prince Mowada mentioned. Magella, another. I could take the time to list them all, but I'd hope you understand my point. Being under threat from other nations does not immediately qualify yours for possession of nuclear weapons, especially considering the points I've already brought up. Until your nation proves that it is responsible enough to host nuclear weapons, it should not have them. This is a matter of life and death. Allowing the FSR to legally have nuclear weapons could potentially mean the death of citizens of many nations with whom the FSR is at odds. I'm sure we all know just how much the FSR loves to conduct military operations and then feign ignorance when the backlash arrives?"

"We also know about how Magellan intelligence agencies love to outright lie about evidence, even regarding stuff that can be checked publically right?" retorted Sanarov.


Ybarra stood up at that, unashamedly rolling his eyes and sighing loudly. "Do not attempt to change the subject, Ms. Sanarov, you are only proving how immature your nation's actions are. Orostan attacked Zackaroth because it didn't like its lack of progress in the first Nigerian Civil War, and when backlash came, they claimed and still claim they did nothing wrong. Now, recently, the FSR conducted terrorist attacks against Magella and Italy because it didn't like the fact that Magella chose to pursue good relations with Europeans instead of turning them all into enemies. After, it once again claimed it did nothing wrong. This is a pattern we are seeing. The FSR has and will continue to conduct short-sighted actions for short-term benefits, and it will continue to claim it is blameless. Look at what they could do with submarines, anti-tank guns, and bombs. Other nations did something that the FSR did not like, so they took it upon themselves to throw a tantrum, like a toddler. Now imagine destruction like that, loss of life like that, but tenfold, or hundredfold. The world simply cannot trust that the FSR will use nuclear weapons responsibly."

"Now, our nation has not always agreed with what the CSN says," Ramirez continued. "But we obey it because it is international law. While you have all brought up good points, why don't we ask ourselves why the FSR even has a current nuclear program in the first place, instead of asking if they should? If I remember correctly, is there not an international law mandating that no nuclear weapons shall be allowed in South America?"
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Postby Orostan » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:15 pm

AnxIETy cafE wrote:
Orostan wrote:”Says the person representing a country which hosts foreign militaries as a direct threat against the FSR. My country has already experienced the death of millions of its citizens, we very well know what nuclear weapons can do. As long as your country and many others threaten the Federation, we will need nuclear weapons.”


"An attempt to distract from the topic at hand, how surprising," Ramirez muttered, only loud enough for his fellow Magellan representatives to chuckle at.

"Many nations do not possess nuclear weapons that are under threat from other nations. Japan, for example, as the honorable Prince Mowada mentioned. Magella, another. I could take the time to list them all, but I'd hope you understand my point. Being under threat from other nations does not immediately qualify yours for possession of nuclear weapons, especially considering the points I've already brought up. Until your nation proves that it is responsible enough to host nuclear weapons, it should not have them. This is a matter of life and death. Allowing the FSR to legally have nuclear weapons could potentially mean the death of citizens of many nations with whom the FSR is at odds. I'm sure we all know just how much the FSR loves to conduct military operations and then feign ignorance when the backlash arrives?"

”Japan does not have foreign military force at its doorstep. Everything you have said about my country and everything your media has said is a lie. The only thing my country has done wrong is not responding strongly enough to the demands of traitors.”

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Puertollano wrote:
“I was expecting something better from you,” the President said. “Why don’t you barrage against the intervention of the European CSN against the sovereign rights of nations in the South? If I remember correctly, wasn’t your nation in favour of leaving the CSN? If so, why are you pursuing international tyranny over demestic policy? I’m disappointed.”


The Prince looks at the President, "And I was expecting better of you. Japan currently has a desire to remain out of international affairs and you are correct in the fact that we are re-evaluating the CSN. The rights of the South are being impeded by the CSN, as are they the ambitions of your own nation. A simple vote over the independence of the ABC Islands has been blocked time and time again because neither side wishes to compromise and see to it that all parties can observe the situation. Further, Japan has no interest in these matters as they do not concern us nor do we wish to be entangled by affairs outside our borders"

The Prince narrows his eyes, "Why you think so little of us for opposing the use of a weapon that causes so much death and destruction is an insult to the people of Japan. We have seen nuclear fire, my Father and many of our elders remember the devastation well. Nuclear weapons are not a domestic policy, they are a loaded gun held at a select few nations that have the ability to end the world who only withhold their use due to the MAD doctrine. Japan will not stand for more of these weapons entering the world, war with them means the end of not just one or two nations, but all of us. If you cannot understand why this is an issue then you have no understanding of me and my people."

Higashi turns to the Japanese prince.
”The atomic bombings were crimes that nobody wants to repeat. The only reason I want my country to have the bomb is to prevent what Zackaroth did to us from happening again.”

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Arecla wrote:"We also know about how Magellan intelligence agencies love to outright lie about evidence, even regarding stuff that can be checked publically right?" retorted Sanarov.


Ybarra stood up at that, unashamedly rolling his eyes and sighing loudly. "Do not attempt to change the subject, Mr. Sanarov, you are only proving how immature your nation's actions are. Orostan attacked Zackaroth because it didn't like its lack of progress in the first Nigerian Civil War, and when backlash came, they claimed and still claim they did nothing wrong. Now, recently, the FSR conducted terrorist attacks against Magella and Italy because it didn't like the fact that Magella chose to pursue good relations with Europeans instead of turning them all into enemies. After, it once again claimed it did nothing wrong. This is a pattern we are seeing. The FSR has and will continue to conduct short-sighted actions for short-term benefits, and it will continue to claim it is blameless. Look at what they could do with submarines, anti-tank guns, and bombs. Other nations did something that the FSR did not like, so they took it upon themselves to throw a tantrum, like a toddler. Now imagine destruction like that, loss of life like that, but tenfold, or hundredfold. The world simply cannot trust that the FSR will use nuclear weapons responsibly."

"Now, our nation has not always agreed with what the CSN says," Ramirez continued. "But we obey it because it is international law. While you have all brought up good points, why don't we ask ourselves why the FSR even has a current nuclear program in the first place, instead of asking if they should? If I remember correctly, is there not an international law mandating that no nuclear weapons shall be allowed in South America?"


”Obeying the law because it is the law is, pardon my bluntness, a very stupid thing to do. The law and its place in the state are always tools used to enforce some kind of interest. Your claims against the Federation is baseless. Our nuclear program is purely civilian and has been present since the 1970s. The only reason we want the bomb now is because of your county’s aggression, and the aggression of... other countries. You do not secede from any state and host foreign militaries expecting no consequences. It is your government who planted the nuclear seed, and you reap what you sow.”
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:21 pm

"I would like to remind everyone that all of us here are representing our countries and anything said here can be used against our nations collectively. I would therefore like to ask that we remain civil when discussing this topic."

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Postby Arecla » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:41 pm

AnxIETy cafE wrote:Ybarra stood up at that, unashamedly rolling his eyes and sighing loudly. "Do not attempt to change the subject, Mr. Sanarov, you are only proving how immature your nation's actions are. Orostan attacked Zackaroth because it didn't like its lack of progress in the first Nigerian Civil War, and when backlash came, they claimed and still claim they did nothing wrong. Now, recently, the FSR conducted terrorist attacks against Magella and Italy because it didn't like the fact that Magella chose to pursue good relations with Europeans instead of turning them all into enemies. After, it once again claimed it did nothing wrong. This is a pattern we are seeing. The FSR has and will continue to conduct short-sighted actions for short-term benefits, and it will continue to claim it is blameless. Look at what they could do with submarines, anti-tank guns, and bombs. Other nations did something that the FSR did not like, so they took it upon themselves to throw a tantrum, like a toddler. Now imagine destruction like that, loss of life like that, but tenfold, or hundredfold. The world simply cannot trust that the FSR will use nuclear weapons responsibly."

"Now, our nation has not always agreed with what the CSN says," Ramirez continued. "But we obey it because it is international law. While you have all brought up good points, why don't we ask ourselves why the FSR even has a current nuclear program in the first place, instead of asking if they should? If I remember correctly, is there not an international law mandating that no nuclear weapons shall be allowed in South America?"

Prior to speaking publically, Sanarov spoke to Higashi quietly in a way, so only the rest of the delegation could hear. "I feel it'd be best if you toned down your speech, even if only slightly. There's no point to making sure everyone else knows you think that the Magellans are traitors." Perhaps it was a bit hypocritical, but regardless it was left at that.

"Tell me, is it really changing the subject? After all, it is one of the reasons you use to support your claims isn't it? To be honest, your states attempt to prove their claims regarding the websites are quite pitiful. After being debunked by a newspaper, you created a fake archive to prove your point. But you see, just like you can easily check the code of a website by yourself, you can also see when it was created. It's also a bit interesting that your investigators told people to check a specific archive site, why is it because the vast majority of archive sites disagree?"

"Your investigators though claiming that they have gathered physical evidence about the subject have as of yet refused as of yet to make it public, I wonder why." Sanarov continued. "Although I don't condone what happened back with Zackaroth, the FSR is a different entity. I feel like you of all people should understand that."
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Postby Arecla » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:27 pm

After a short debate amongst the Federalist delegation, Raul Paulo stood up. "To the esteemed Magellan delegation and others, given the severity of the situation, I'd like to propose a neutral CSN investigation on the matter with an arrangement akin to that of the ABC Islands situation to maintain fairness to all sides. Surely you all would be in favor of that right?"

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Postby Puertollano » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:07 pm

Orbanis wrote:
Puertollano wrote:
“I was expecting something better from you,” the President said. “Why don’t you barrage against the intervention of the European CSN against the sovereign rights of nations in the South? If I remember correctly, wasn’t your nation in favour of leaving the CSN? If so, why are you pursuing international tyranny over demestic policy? I’m disappointed.”


The Prince looks at the President, "And I was expecting better of you. Japan currently has a desire to remain out of international affairs and you are correct in the fact that we are re-evaluating the CSN. The rights of the South are being impeded by the CSN, as are they the ambitions of your own nation. A simple vote over the independence of the ABC Islands has been blocked time and time again because neither side wishes to compromise and see to it that all parties can observe the situation. Further, Japan has no interest in these matters as they do not concern us nor do we wish to be entangled by affairs outside our borders"

The Prince narrows his eyes, "Why you think so little of us for opposing the use of a weapon that causes so much death and destruction is an insult to the people of Japan. We have seen nuclear fire, my Father and many of our elders remember the devastation well. Nuclear weapons are not a domestic policy, they are a loaded gun held at a select few nations that have the ability to end the world who only withhold their use due to the MAD doctrine. Japan will not stand for more of these weapons entering the world, war with them means the end of not just one or two nations, but all of us. If you cannot understand why this is an issue then you have no understanding of me and my people."


"I know you believe you are royal and everything, but you are just an unelected swine. That is why you champion the power of the CSN to authorise rules and restrictions to domestic policy. In fact, it is no issue of Japan's to allow the Federation of Socialist Republics to obtain nuclear-grade weapons. Myself, I am no fan of these weapons, they should never be used. That's the exact reason the friendly leaders of the FSR are creating these deterrents to prevent European weapons of mass destruction devastate our people. Currently, we are existing in a world of high tension. The mutually assured destruction motive does not exist, partly because of Puertollano's previous efforts, and we acknowledge our failures. MAD cannot exist without the major blocs maintaining these weapons to ensure peace.

When Puertollano created this bill, they did not mean for it to be used as a tool to attack South America. No, it was created to prevent nuclear catastrophe in South America from internal forces. With internal forces gone, we now have a threat from over the seas. It's time to give the people of South America the right to self-defence."
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Postby Orbanis » Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:22 am

Puertollano wrote:"I know you believe you are royal and everything, but you are just an unelected swine. That is why you champion the power of the CSN to authorise rules and restrictions to domestic policy. In fact, it is no issue of Japan's to allow the Federation of Socialist Republics to obtain nuclear-grade weapons. Myself, I am no fan of these weapons, they should never be used. That's the exact reason the friendly leaders of the FSR are creating these deterrents to prevent European weapons of mass destruction devastate our people. Currently, we are existing in a world of high tension. The mutually assured destruction motive does not exist, partly because of Puertollano's previous efforts, and we acknowledge our failures. MAD cannot exist without the major blocs maintaining these weapons to ensure peace.

When Puertollano created this bill, they did not mean for it to be used as a tool to attack South America. No, it was created to prevent nuclear catastrophe in South America from internal forces. With internal forces gone, we now have a threat from over the seas. It's time to give the people of South America the right to self-defence."


The prince cross his arms and smiles, "Well, Mr. President, I may be an unelected swine, but at least I am not a corrupt official only looking out for my own political interests. Japan did not come here for petty debate or slandering of fellow representatives, we came here to see if both the CSN and the international community were able to compromise to try and end this petty bickering and 'world of high tension'. Sadly neither has happened and everyone has only come with their own agendas, yourself included. It is these uncompromising views in South America that has caused these tensions in recent days, and while Europe has played a part in it they have at least tried to make adjustments to their agreements."

"I agree that MAD is an issue, however, that will remain unchanged unless a global nuclear disarmament occurs. Japan would be in favor of this, as I am sure you would be as well. Solving MAD by adding more weapons to our arsenal is like adding wood to a fire, it will only make things worse. I agree that South America has a right to self defense, but not when it comes to these weapons and a government who has shown it is not to be trusted with these weapons."

"As for our use of the CSN, if you know of another international government body that can enact these sorts of regulations and restrictions that is not incompetent I would have no issue working with them, but I am unaware of any other such body. Should the CSN fail to fairly and effectively carry out any mandate sent here or the members of the organization be unable to reach a compromise, Japan will be suspending our membership."
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Postby Puertollano » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:10 pm

Orbanis wrote:
Puertollano wrote:"I know you believe you are royal and everything, but you are just an unelected swine. That is why you champion the power of the CSN to authorise rules and restrictions to domestic policy. In fact, it is no issue of Japan's to allow the Federation of Socialist Republics to obtain nuclear-grade weapons. Myself, I am no fan of these weapons, they should never be used. That's the exact reason the friendly leaders of the FSR are creating these deterrents to prevent European weapons of mass destruction devastate our people. Currently, we are existing in a world of high tension. The mutually assured destruction motive does not exist, partly because of Puertollano's previous efforts, and we acknowledge our failures. MAD cannot exist without the major blocs maintaining these weapons to ensure peace.

When Puertollano created this bill, they did not mean for it to be used as a tool to attack South America. No, it was created to prevent nuclear catastrophe in South America from internal forces. With internal forces gone, we now have a threat from over the seas. It's time to give the people of South America the right to self-defence."


The prince cross his arms and smiles, "Well, Mr. President, I may be an unelected swine, but at least I am not a corrupt official only looking out for my own political interests. Japan did not come here for petty debate or slandering of fellow representatives, we came here to see if both the CSN and the international community were able to compromise to try and end this petty bickering and 'world of high tension'. Sadly neither has happened and everyone has only come with their own agendas, yourself included. It is these uncompromising views in South America that has caused these tensions in recent days, and while Europe has played a part in it they have at least tried to make adjustments to their agreements."

"I agree that MAD is an issue, however, that will remain unchanged unless a global nuclear disarmament occurs. Japan would be in favor of this, as I am sure you would be as well. Solving MAD by adding more weapons to our arsenal is like adding wood to a fire, it will only make things worse. I agree that South America has a right to self defense, but not when it comes to these weapons and a government who has shown it is not to be trusted with these weapons."

"As for our use of the CSN, if you know of another international government body that can enact these sorts of regulations and restrictions that is not incompetent I would have no issue working with them, but I am unaware of any other such body. Should the CSN fail to fairly and effectively carry out any mandate sent here or the members of the organization be unable to reach a compromise, Japan will be suspending our membership."


"I am corrupt now? What garbage. Go home to your gold plated toilet seat. You are a disgrace, Sir.

You claim to espouse the ideas of non-interventionism, but you continue to deny South America the same right's as any other continent. It's my belief that the South American people chose their own destiny, not a privileged monarch in Japan. South America established the nuclear-weapons ban, and we should have the power to revoke this nuclear-weapon ban. You will not stand in the way of this. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you, you're not even elected to represent your people."
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Postby Orbanis » Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:45 pm

Puertollano wrote:"I am corrupt now? What garbage. Go home to your gold plated toilet seat. You are a disgrace, Sir.

You claim to espouse the ideas of non-interventionism, but you continue to deny South America the same right's as any other continent. It's my belief that the South American people chose their own destiny, not a privileged monarch in Japan. South America established the nuclear-weapons ban, and we should have the power to revoke this nuclear-weapon ban. You will not stand in the way of this. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you, you're not even elected to represent your people."


The Prince sighs, " You claim the best intents yet you have decided to insult me without provocation time and time again, you ignore and do not address my concerns over your nation's bullheadedness in regards to the ABC Islands, and you clearly are ignoring half of what I am trying to say here." The Prince stands up, "This 'Privileged Monarch' has done more to aid his people then you ever had before the Empire was restored and more so now. You sit in your comfy political office and slander the name of others because of your views while you have done nothing to help those in need within your own borders. Japan does not wish to chose your destiny, we mean you to avoid our fate from the atomic bombings. If you are too stubborn to see that you do not deserve your people's support."

The Prince then looks at Prime Minister Lamar, "While I understand that the Empire's recent rise to power is both troubling to the rest of the world and confused many, slandering a representative in such a way during a diplomatic discussion is an insult to my nation. This is supposed to be a summit, yet this seems more like a slandering event where all your representative care about is insulting one another. We came to this summit in good faith and instead have been mocked and ignored. Japan will be leaving this so called 'summit' of yours and we will likely be resigning our membership to the Council of Sovereign Nations." With that the Prince leaves the room flaked by his guards, ending Japan's participation in the conference.
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:23 pm

"Congrats Castillo, you managed to make a fool of yourself and convince Japan that the CSN is corrupt in one conversation.

Well done if I do say so myself." He finished sarcastically.
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Postby The Underground Movement Union » Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:07 pm

"If we could please get back to the topic at hand, and use this conference what it was for rather than waste time throwing insults? If there was one problem solved for every insult thrown in this conference room I guarantee World peace would have been achieved."

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Postby Puertollano » Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:59 am

Orbanis wrote:
Puertollano wrote:"I am corrupt now? What garbage. Go home to your gold plated toilet seat. You are a disgrace, Sir.

You claim to espouse the ideas of non-interventionism, but you continue to deny South America the same right's as any other continent. It's my belief that the South American people chose their own destiny, not a privileged monarch in Japan. South America established the nuclear-weapons ban, and we should have the power to revoke this nuclear-weapon ban. You will not stand in the way of this. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you, you're not even elected to represent your people."


The Prince sighs, " You claim the best intents yet you have decided to insult me without provocation time and time again, you ignore and do not address my concerns over your nation's bullheadedness in regards to the ABC Islands, and you clearly are ignoring half of what I am trying to say here." The Prince stands up, "This 'Privileged Monarch' has done more to aid his people then you ever had before the Empire was restored and more so now. You sit in your comfy political office and slander the name of others because of your views while you have done nothing to help those in need within your own borders. Japan does not wish to chose your destiny, we mean you to avoid our fate from the atomic bombings. If you are too stubborn to see that you do not deserve your people's support."

The Prince then looks at Prime Minister Lamar, "While I understand that the Empire's recent rise to power is both troubling to the rest of the world and confused many, slandering a representative in such a way during a diplomatic discussion is an insult to my nation. This is supposed to be a summit, yet this seems more like a slandering event where all your representative care about is insulting one another. We came to this summit in good faith and instead have been mocked and ignored. Japan will be leaving this so called 'summit' of yours and we will likely be resigning our membership to the Council of Sovereign Nations." With that the Prince leaves the room flaked by his guards, ending Japan's participation in the conference.


"Say what you like, Prince. Do you want to talk about the Caribbean - because it seems like you do. Where is the war criminal in-chief of Italy at this conference? Nowhere! They do not bother to represent their failed world view of European control and colonisation, especially when a native sits in this building today. The Italians couldn't face off against President Medina, he is too quick witted and in touch of the people of the Federation and the Caribbean. So, half of the pro-imperialist camp doesn't even have the guts to arrive to defend their false, fake and twisted ideas of justice. Now here comes you, trying to re-invoke the tragedies of 80 years ago in Japan to justify your meddling on other nations affairs. Fortunately, your world-building desires were defeated in the 1940's and we believed you and your imperial government were finished with such ambitions. However now unfortunately, you conduct an anti-democratic coup to re-establish your Empire. Go away, you ugly, imperialist scum!"

Castillo applauded as the Prince exited the summit room. Some of his aides gave him a glass of water after that tirade.
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Postby Puertollano » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:00 am

United Democratic Christian States wrote:"Congrats Castillo, you managed to make a fool of yourself and convince Japan that the CSN is corrupt in one conversation.

Well done if I do say so myself." He finished sarcastically.


"You should possibly take their advice and leave too," Castillo added, sipping his water.
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