[TWI ONLY - OOC] UCCR

[Thuzbekistan]

So an Idea I have for my early history leading into the UCCR era : So Dorm and I have agreed upon that Orsandia's IC backstory is that it used to be a part of the United Republics / or what ever Dorm's government was known as through out the 1600-1800s. If I can recall, in addition to Kaelectia, present-day Orsandia used to be the site of internal unrest until it was granted independence in the early 1900s. As a new nation, the Orsandian Monarchy was extremely weak, and soon found itself succumbing to strife and anger towards economic stagnation, class inequality, and lower class uprising. This leads to the 1st Orsandian Civil War which is akin to the the Russian Civil War - where the Orsandian Government is backed both direct/indirectly by various nations across the Isles attempting to stop the Orsandian Communists, who end up successful and establish the DPU. The DPU of Orsandia begins to nationbuild, but is met with coldness by most nations in the Isles, yet with heavy aid from fellow UCCR nations.The Orsandian Communists are pinned "war criminals" and "barbaric authoritarians" for the imprisonment and harsh treatment of state critics. Involvement in any major isles wide war, has to be run by me because I don't have too much knowledge on that much of Isles history. Famine, economic stagnation, isolation with much of the isles nations, and pleas for modernization / reform go ignored or are cracked down upon, leading to strong protests. Small liberalization and market reforms are adopted, and hard liners are spurned for party moderates who seek to thaw relations with westernized nations while also being on good terms with UCCR nations. It isnt enough, and leads into 2nd Civil War and end of DPU of Orsandia in the 1970s, and leads to a temporary military junta, which leads to the re-establishment of a constitutional monarchy, with now the monarch only as a figurehead, instead lead by a parliamentary democratic system, and a campaign for rapid reform and nation re-construction as a newly minted "free, capitalist" country begins.

Thoughts ?

this is good. Give me a timeline so I can build a history from a UCCR context like I did for Samu.

[Orsandia]

So an Idea I have for my early history leading into the UCCR era : So Dorm and I have agreed upon that Orsandia's IC backstory is that it used to be a part of the United Republics / or what ever Dorm's government was known as through out the 1600-1800s. If I can recall, in addition to Kaelectia, present-day Orsandia used to be the site of internal unrest until it was granted independence in the early 1900s. As a new nation, the Orsandian Monarchy was extremely weak, and soon found itself succumbing to strife and anger towards economic stagnation, class inequality, and lower class uprising. This leads to the 1st Orsandian Civil War which is akin to the the Russian Civil War - where the Orsandian Government is backed both direct/indirectly by various nations across the Isles attempting to stop the Orsandian Communists, who end up successful and establish the DPU. The DPU of Orsandia begins to nationbuild, but is met with coldness by most nations in the Isles, yet with heavy aid from fellow UCCR nations.The Orsandian Communists are pinned "war criminals" and "barbaric authoritarians" for the imprisonment and harsh treatment of state critics. Involvement in any major isles wide war, has to be run by me because I don't have too much knowledge on that much of Isles history. Famine, economic stagnation, isolation with much of the isles nations, and pleas for modernization / reform go ignored or are cracked down upon, leading to strong protests. Small liberalization and market reforms are adopted, and hard liners are spurned for party moderates who seek to thaw relations with westernized nations while also being on good terms with UCCR nations. It isnt enough, and leads into 2nd Civil War and end of DPU of Orsandia in the 1970s, and leads to a temporary military junta, which leads to the re-establishment of a constitutional monarchy, with now the monarch only as a figurehead, instead lead by a parliamentary democratic system, and a campaign for rapid reform and nation re-construction as a newly minted "free, capitalist" country begins.

Thoughts ?

this is good. Give me a timeline so I can build a history from a UCCR context like I did for Samu.

1900's-1920's - United Republics Grant Orsandia Independence, Imperial States of Orsandia form.
1920's-1930's - nation development, unrest at social/economic inequality begin to develop
1940s - WW2 / Isles War (?) - unsure of how to approach involvement
1946- Communist uprising, start of 1st Orsandian Civil War. Respective powers intervene
1952- Communists win and establish DPU of Orsandia
1956- Major sanctions/embargo against DPU, famine ensues + political protests for democracy
1960 - Major construction and economic campaign aided by UCCR.
1963- Moderate leader elected, hardliners in DPU spurned by increased calls for Western Thaw, more freedom.
1967 - Orsandian Glastnost and Peristoika - Small, but sweeping market reform, small improvement in individual freedoms and ability to run businesses privately.
1969- Beginning of the Orsandian Revolution (not a 2nd civil war I guess ?)
1974/1976 - DPU of Orsandia Collapses, Military Junta and later a constitutional monarchy is reinstated now under D&S, MSTO, Ostehaar, and Ahnslen sphere of influence

[Dormill and Stiura]

So an Idea I have for my early history leading into the UCCR era : So Dorm and I have agreed upon that Orsandia's IC backstory is that it used to be a part of the United Republics / or whatever Dorm's government was known as throughout the 1600-1800s. If I can recall, in addition to Kaelectia, present-day Orsandia used to be the site of internal unrest until it was granted independence in the early 1900s.

I don't exactly recall any change from the 1955 independence, but I can safely push back the independence of the Republic of Orsland (your portion that was part of my nation) to 1909 or 1910, after the brief revolution that overthrew President Favre and saw the restructuring of the government of D&S if that is more functional to your history. The same could be applied to Samudera unless he wishes to discuss things further.

[Orsandia]

So an Idea I have for my early history leading into the UCCR era : So Dorm and I have agreed upon that Orsandia's IC backstory is that it used to be a part of the United Republics / or whatever Dorm's government was known as throughout the 1600-1800s. If I can recall, in addition to Kaelectia, present-day Orsandia used to be the site of internal unrest until it was granted independence in the early 1900s.

I don't exactly recall any change from the 1955 independence, but I can safely push back the independence of the Republic of Orsland (your portion that was part of my nation) to 1909 or 1910, after the brief revolution that overthrew President Favre and saw the restructuring of the government of D&S if that is more functional to your history. The same could be applied to Samudera unless he wishes to discuss things further.

Yes lets do this. I might as well set up an Orsandian history thread for this kinda stuff too. I am sorry to have not let you know sooner or have a difference in communication, but that works much better for this kinda stuff and overall history too.

[Brulafi]

I know it's been a while since a post has been here, but I'd like to grave-dig by stating that I am a socialist nation who would be interested in joining. Originally, Brulafi was intended to be historically very close to the USSR during this time ever since the current Socialist Worker's Party rise to power in 1948. Of course, with this dissolving in 1994, it could provide a great opportunity for Brulafi to begin opening up to the West and be the politically friends-with-all, allies-with-none that exists today.

[Thuzbekistan]

I know it's been a while since a post has been here, but I'd like to grave-dig by stating that I am a socialist nation who would be interested in joining. Originally, Brulafi was intended to be historically very close to the USSR during this time ever since the current Socialist Worker's Party rise to power in 1948. Of course, with this dissolving in 1994, it could provide a great opportunity for Brulafi to begin opening up to the West and be the politically friends-with-all, allies-with-none that exists today.

You could rise to power in '48 and help found it in 1954 after my revolution starts to form a Communist group. When did your socialists fall or did they?

[Brulafi]

I know it's been a while since a post has been here, but I'd like to grave-dig by stating that I am a socialist nation who would be interested in joining. Originally, Brulafi was intended to be historically very close to the USSR during this time ever since the current Socialist Worker's Party rise to power in 1948. Of course, with this dissolving in 1994, it could provide a great opportunity for Brulafi to begin opening up to the West and be the politically friends-with-all, allies-with-none that exists today.

You could rise to power in '48 and help found it in 1954 after my revolution starts to form a Communist group. When did your socialists fall or did they?

They never really did fall.

[Thuzbekistan]

You could rise to power in '48 and help found it in 1954 after my revolution starts to form a Communist group. When did your socialists fall or did they?

They never really did fall.

Yay! An ally!

[Samudera]

They never really did fall.

Yay! An ally!

What about me?

[Thuzbekistan]

Yay! An ally!

What about me?

Your hands are tied tho.

[Thuzbekistan]

I know it's been a while since a post has been here, but I'd like to grave-dig by stating that I am a socialist nation who would be interested in joining. Originally, Brulafi was intended to be historically very close to the USSR during this time ever since the current Socialist Worker's Party rise to power in 1948. Of course, with this dissolving in 1994, it could provide a great opportunity for Brulafi to begin opening up to the West and be the politically friends-with-all, allies-with-none that exists today.

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, Thuzbekistan and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power and the leftist Brulafi government was beginning to feel isolated. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, By Thuzbekistan, Brulafi, and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

The above is the amendment to the opening paragraph. The second paragraph would simply need the numbers changed. Ultimately, I would have you withdraw in 1954 instead of negotiating to continue the alliance which, after multiple failed interventions (as seen on the main page), would be seen by more reasonable people in your nation as a drain on resources and a waste of time. So, on the 15th of May, 1994, your nation declines the offer to reaffirm the treaty and withdraws. This leaves the UCCR dead and gone. You can look at any of the interventions and see if you want to be involved. Prime ones would be the intervention in samudera, the helping me with my Early Sixties famine, or any others. If you have any troublesome times in your history between 54 and 94, then the UCCR may be of use as a historical aide to your government.

[Brulafi]

I know it's been a while since a post has been here, but I'd like to grave-dig by stating that I am a socialist nation who would be interested in joining. Originally, Brulafi was intended to be historically very close to the USSR during this time ever since the current Socialist Worker's Party rise to power in 1948. Of course, with this dissolving in 1994, it could provide a great opportunity for Brulafi to begin opening up to the West and be the politically friends-with-all, allies-with-none that exists today.

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, Thuzbekistan and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power and the leftist Brulafi government was beginning to feel isolated. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, By Thuzbekistan, Brulafi, and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

The above is the amendment to the opening paragraph. The second paragraph would simply need the numbers changed. Ultimately, I would have you withdraw in 1994 instead of negotiating to continue the alliance which, after multiple failed interventions (as seen on the main page), would be seen by more reasonable people in your nation as a drain on resources and a waste of time. So, on the 15th of May, 1994, your nation declines the offer to reaffirm the treaty and withdraws. This leaves the UCCR dead and gone. You can look at any of the interventions and see if you want to be involved. Prime ones would be the intervention in samudera, the helping me with my Early Sixties famine, or any others. If you have any troublesome times in your history between 54 and 94, then the UCCR may be of use as a historical aide to your government.

I'm down! For now, I think I'd be open to being involved in everything except D&S interventions in some form or another.

[Thuzbekistan]

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, Thuzbekistan and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

The UCCR was formed in 1954 following the destructive Imperial War in order to consolidate Leftist Power in the region after the Imperial War and World War Two brewed up an incredible amount anti-communist feeling. The Balniki Communist Republic proposed the treaty in 1952 just as the provisional Communist Republic in Thuzbekistan was consolidating its power and the leftist Brulafi government was beginning to feel isolated. Both nations accepted and the summit was set to begin in May of 1953 in Rustov, Balnik. From then, it took a year to debate, with each nation desiring different ideas. Balnik, being nationalistically minded, favored a treaty of independence and cooperation. The other powers agreed with this at the time, both needing the assurance of defense from outside threats by a stable power and both wishing to repair their nations after their bloody revolutions. It was signed in Rustov, Balnik, By Thuzbekistan, Brulafi, and Balnik on the 15th of May, 1954.

Noice I'll just keep those interventions as "UCCR" interventions and you can include them in your eventual history however you like.
The above is the amendment to the opening paragraph. The second paragraph would simply need the numbers changed. Ultimately, I would have you withdraw in 1994 instead of negotiating to continue the alliance which, after multiple failed interventions (as seen on the main page), would be seen by more reasonable people in your nation as a drain on resources and a waste of time. So, on the 15th of May, 1994, your nation declines the offer to reaffirm the treaty and withdraws. This leaves the UCCR dead and gone. You can look at any of the interventions and see if you want to be involved. Prime ones would be the intervention in samudera, the helping me with my Early Sixties famine, or any others. If you have any troublesome times in your history between 54 and 94, then the UCCR may be of use as a historical aide to your government.

I'm down! For now, I think I'd be open to being involved in everything except D&S interventions in some form or another.

Cool I'll just leave everything as the "UCCR" At the moment and let you decide whic ones you want to be involved in

[Thuzbekistan]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=451892&p=35175401#p35175401

UCCR history being discussed here for the moment and may involve the reason it dissolved. Stay tuned.

[Austrovik-Germania]

Okay, so here we go folks.

I was talking to Thuz about this, and we both know that my current fascist model in the 21st Century can't keep on the cheque book now. Asa result, I have overturned my history and basically intend Austrovik-Germania to become more like Putin's Russia, or something along those lines. However, I also wish to have a brief strain of communism, and make it fail so miserably that it explains the Austrovik hatred of the far left.

We were also saying how it wouldn't make sense for Austrovik-Germania to become a full member, so an associate status was the best option in our opinion, coupled with a few secret pacts to share intelligence information and so on and so forth. But here's how I envision it:

1961: The new Austrovik-Germanian Federal Socialist Republics (AFSR) is declared by Julius von Schersneim, after the failing of the previous State of Austrovik-Germania which was set up by the Free Powers after the First Imperial War.

1963: The new ASFR is quick to notice the United Central Communist Republics, and wants to co-operate, but due to Miklania being so close and it's location so far west, both the AFSR and your UCCR counterparts do not see any advantage of Austrovik-Germania joining. As a result, the Treaty of Friendship and Assistance is signed in Hortendorf to make the AFSR have a special associate status within the UCCR, but not a full member.

1964-87: Communist things go down, but Austrovik-Germania starts to become sick and tired of sending troops to aid the UCCR in conflicts which, in most cases, are very far away.

1988: After several rows and arguments, the Austrovik-Germanian Federal Socialist Republics leave the UCCR (well, not really, as it was never fully part of it, but you get what I mean), and repeals the Treaty of Friendship and Assistance.

1991: The State of Austrovik-Germania is re-established after the General Secretary of the AFSR begins sweeping democratic reforms and implodes it.

So, watcha think?