[TWI ONLY - OOC] UCCR

[Negarakita]

Me and Samu have already agreed to do some funding during the 60s-70s,

Funding the Shahiristas? I thought we agreed about a failed communist uprisings and subsequent guerilla phase in the 50s and 60s?

That's what that is

[Weinam]

I don't want the UCCR to be only about failed plots or coups. I don't mind the odd failed support but primarily I'd like it to be mainly a successful body.

[Thuzbekistan]

I don't want the UCCR to be only about failed plots or coups. I don't mind the odd failed support but primarily I'd like it to be mainly a successful body.

Unfortunately, communist history in twi is pretty bleak. The best way it can be successful is by supporting and spreading its movements. Due to twi history, most military interventions are going to end badly. We can only fit into the mold twi has, not force successful communist interventions into peoples histories.

[Samudera]

I don't want the UCCR to be only about failed plots or coups. I don't mind the odd failed support but primarily I'd like it to be mainly a successful body.

You'll got your chance in 1965. That's where the commies successfully take control of the government. Beforehand, Linaviar played a big part in my revolution by waging a war against me. I'll surely involved UCCR in this. I'll ppst a detailed timeline tonight

[Thuzbekistan]

With funding from the UCCR, the People's Party of Negarakita (Hekongist-Continuity) waged a low-level urban guerilla campaign including several car bombings and graffiti. The first elections in an independent Negarakita took place in 1957 and pitted Serang's Kongres Akisi Rakyat against the Islamic Unity Front and Parti Nationale, who were concentrated among the french minority. Serang won with 68% of the vote, guaranteeing is influence over the newly independent state. His policies of a free market with leftist social policy allowed Negarakita to remain neutral in the cold war, guaranteeing economic growth from exports. In 1958, Constantin Shahir was elected by the central committee of the People's Party of Negarakita to general secretary. His ideology was closer to that of Trotsky than of Lenin, advocating for a violent struggle but also for a global revolution. Under him, the PPN stepped up their violent attacks. On the twelfth of December 1958, as Serang's motorcade turned out of Place de la République, a car bomb went off next to his car and a group of PPN militants began firing from a nearby apartment. Serang and his aides were killed instantly, with a deadly siege breaking out in the centre of the town as the militants held the inhabitants of the apartment hostage for seven hours before Negarakitan soldiers were able to storm the building and kill the militants. With the death of many high up governmental officials, Negarakita was thrown into turmoil. A period of leftist violence followed over the next few days as PPN fighters, encouraged by the attack's success, attempted to seize power. Only intervention by a multinational force consisting of soldiers from France, Ainslie and Samudera was able to pacify the violence, as an interim regime took up the reigns of power.

Neg, I'm really confused here. I see that the commies won before the state deteriorated, but there is no real timeline. Did all this happen in the late fifties early 60s?


Samu, I wanna have a detailed time line


EDIT:

This is a telegram I sent to the MSTO members:

To all, the UCCR thread is here: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=442018&sid=023c517c39061ed95085a1d2346d863b

I really want to plan out what a Cold war between the UCCR and the MSTO would have looked like after 1972. Whether it is economic sanctions imposed on individual members of the UCCR, military interventions, or histories of tension. Say, for instance, we have exercises together you guys bring a fleet up to say "hey bad." Any ideas are welcome in the development of the UCCR as the weaker version of the warsaw pact as no USSR is trying to control us all.

What do you guys think of this?

[Covonant]

I want to see how best of a role Covonant could have played with the downfall of the UCCR. Covonant during its existence would have developed a foreign and military policy of containing the Communist bloc by establishing foreign bases and having a network of loyal allies to combat the efforts of the bloc. We could have it that Covonant cooperated with the MSTO which at the times expressed similar views Covonant held of the UCCR. One likely possibility Covonant could employ is destabilizing efforts in Communist member state countries by funding rebel groups to spread democracy albeit violently to bolster a non support of the Union by democratic states as well as possible economic sabotage. These are just ideas I am thinking could be employed during the proxy war times leading to the end of the UCCR. I was also thinking if the UCCR could have made attempts to cause a communist revolution in Covonant during the 1960s which saw a great divide in the political ideology of the country. Something similar to the red scare or communist hysteria that took place in the US during the 1950s-60s.
Thoughts and suggestions?

[Athara Magarat]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=435241&p=33814931#p33814931

1965-1975, Hangate of Khumbuwan, Marubhumi Hangate and Western Tamsaling Hangate, attempt to unite the other hangates of a very, very divided Kaski Island with a "People's War".

As such, the Kaski Island Wars - which has been going over a decade for territorial expansion between the tiny states - turns into a proxy war between communist and capitalists.

[Thuzbekistan]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=435241&p=33814931#p33814931

1965-1975, Hangate of Khumbuwan, Marubhumi Hangate and Western Tamsaling Hangate, attempt to unite the other hangates of a very, very divided Kaski Island with a "People's War".

As such, the Kaski Island Wars - which has been going over a decade for territorial expansion between the tiny states - turns into a proxy war between communist and capitalists.

We could have supported this from 1965 to 1972, I think. It would have to be collaborated with miklania though. How could the uccr help the hangates? I dont see a plausible way to send troops, but we could send material and money. Advisors too. It would be interesting to talk to mik about uccr troops being there.

[Thuzbekistan]

I want to see how best of a role Covonant could have played with the downfall of the UCCR. Covonant during its existence would have developed a foreign and military policy of containing the Communist bloc by establishing foreign bases and having a network of loyal allies to combat the efforts of the bloc. We could have it that Covonant cooperated with the MSTO which at the times expressed similar views Covonant held of the UCCR. One likely possibility Covonant could employ is destabilizing efforts in Communist member state countries by funding rebel groups to spread democracy albeit violently to bolster a non support of the Union by democratic states as well as possible economic sabotage. These are just ideas I am thinking could be employed during the proxy war times leading to the end of the UCCR. I was also thinking if the UCCR could have made attempts to cause a communist revolution in Covonant during the 1960s which saw a great divide in the political ideology of the country. Something similar to the red scare or communist hysteria that took place in the US during the 1950s-60s.
Thoughts and suggestions?

Orsandia may really like this. Ostehaar, Dorm, msto and covonant in orsandia.

[Athara Magarat]

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=435241&p=33814931#p33814931

1965-1975, Hangate of Khumbuwan, Marubhumi Hangate and Western Tamsaling Hangate, attempt to unite the other hangates of a very, very divided Kaski Island with a "People's War".

As such, the Kaski Island Wars - which has been going over a decade for territorial expansion between the tiny states - turns into a proxy war between communist and capitalists.

We could have supported this from 1965 to 1972, I think. It would have to be collaborated with miklania though. How could the uccr help the hangates? I dont see a plausible way to send troops, but we could send material and money. Advisors too. It would be interesting to talk to mik about uccr troops being there.

Dunno about Mik but maybe Cov. I mean half of the other hangates were Covonantian protectorates.

[Thuzbekistan]

We could have supported this from 1965 to 1972, I think. It would have to be collaborated with miklania though. How could the uccr help the hangates? I dont see a plausible way to send troops, but we could send material and money. Advisors too. It would be interesting to talk to mik about uccr troops being there.

Dunno about Mik but maybe Cov. I mean half of the other hangates were Covonantian protectorates.

I would say Mik because I'm trying to establish a cold war between 1954 and 1994. Covonant would definitely be interested. Let me read through the war and see what I can propose.

[Thuzbekistan]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=thu ... id=1028569

Reminder that the above dispatch exists and is being updated regularly as we talk here, via tg, and in discord depending on the individual nations involved. Once I get a good list of interventions, I'll finish writing a general history.

[Ajmanistan]

I'd be interested in creating a Union for Communist nations

[Thuzbekistan]

I'd be interested in creating a Union for Communist nations

........ that's what this is.

[Orsandia]

So if Orsandia is the main catalyst for a UCCR vs MSTO showdown ala "Cold War", I anticipate that Orsandia takes a South-Korea like route in post-commie land. Orsandia's new govt would obviously gravitate towards MSTO, and regional neighbors who are anti-communist democracies (this will help explain some of the historical stuff, especially defense interactions between Orsandia and other nations). It would also under go strong free market reforms (neoliberal market reform), which would also give clout behind the idea of a fast "reconstruction" from the 80s to 2000s, etc.

I see my role in the UCCR vs. MSTO potential rivalry in a sense of propaganda as well. For instance, post-commie Orsandia could be the poster child for the "Look at the wonders of capitalism/freedom, break your chains" dialogue, and also give UCCR hardliners to attack MSTO, and anti-communist nations as "imperialists" and all of that ilk.

Obviously, I have much work to do historically, and just a big plate to finish on factbooks, so yeah.

Is this what you had in Mind when you said "catalyst", Thuz ?

[Thuzbekistan]

So if Orsandia is the main catalyst for a UCCR vs MSTO showdown ala "Cold War", I anticipate that Orsandia takes a South-Korea like route in post-commie land. Orsandia's new govt would obviously gravitate towards MSTO, and regional neighbors who are anti-communist democracies (this will help explain some of the historical stuff, especially defense interactions between Orsandia and other nations). It would also under go strong free market reforms (neoliberal market reform), which would also give clout behind the idea of a fast "reconstruction" from the 80s to 2000s, etc.

I see my role in the UCCR vs. MSTO potential rivalry in a sense of propaganda as well. For instance, post-commie Orsandia could be the poster child for the "Look at the wonders of capitalism/freedom, break your chains" dialogue, and also give UCCR hardliners to attack MSTO, and anti-communist nations as "imperialists" and all of that ilk.

Obviously, I have much work to do historically, and just a big plate to finish on factbooks, so yeah.

Is this what you had in Mind when you said "catalyst", Thuz ?

Very much so. The loss of orsandia would be a terrible blow. Also please read your tgs

[Samudera]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1953 - The Communist party was banned
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December, quelled down with the help of allies (maybe in conjunction with Bhikk's communist party)
1958 - Massacre of the communist, many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar
1961 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk (pending confirmation)
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar (supported by UCCR nations?), peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened fascist government. Supported covertly by Linaviar (and other UCCR nations?)
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK

Brief summary of the revolution: (not definite, i haven't think much about it lol)
Weakened by the war, and lack of popular support, the Fascist government weakened considerably in 1964-1965. They have no power to suppress the growth of the communist parties. Supported by other nations, the communists quickly gained support from the Army and the general populace, and ended up winning the general election of 1965 to much surprise. The Fascist president quickly declared martial law and denied the election's results. The country was now in uproar and the army, loyal to the communist, do nothing to support the doomed Fascist government. The Presidential Palace was seized on 12 October 1965 without much bloodshed after the Fascist president was killed mysteriously the day before, and the elements loyal to him quickly surrendered themselves.

[Negarakita]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1953 - The Communist party was banned
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December, quelled down with the help of allies (maybe in conjunction with Bhikk's communist party)
1958 - Massacre of the communist, many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar
1961 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk (pending confirmation)
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar (supported by UCCR nations?), peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened fascist government. Supported covertly by Linaviar (and other UCCR nations?)
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK

Brief summary of the revolution: (not definite, i haven't think much about it lol)
Weakened by the war, and lack of popular support, the Fascist government weakened considerably in 1964-1965. They have no power to suppress the growth of the communist parties. Supported by other nations, the communists quickly gained support from the Army and the general populace, and ended up winning the general election of 1965 to much surprise. The Fascist president quickly declared martial law and denied the election's results. The country was now in uproar and the army, loyal to the communist, do nothing to support the doomed Fascist government. The Presidential Palace was seized on 12 October 1965 without much bloodshed after the Fascist president was killed mysteriously the day before, and the elements loyal to him quickly surrendered themselves.

I thought that the unikn started in 60 and that the fascists were gone by then?

[Thuzbekistan]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1953 - The Communist party was banned
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December, quelled down with the help of allies (maybe in conjunction with Bhikk's communist party)
1958 - Massacre of the communist, many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar
1961 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk (pending confirmation)
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar (supported by UCCR nations?), peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened fascist government. Supported covertly by Linaviar (and other UCCR nations?)
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK

Brief summary of the revolution: (not definite, i haven't think much about it lol)
Weakened by the war, and lack of popular support, the Fascist government weakened considerably in 1964-1965. They have no power to suppress the growth of the communist parties. Supported by other nations, the communists quickly gained support from the Army and the general populace, and ended up winning the general election of 1965 to much surprise. The Fascist president quickly declared martial law and denied the election's results. The country was now in uproar and the army, loyal to the communist, do nothing to support the doomed Fascist government. The Presidential Palace was seized on 12 October 1965 without much bloodshed after the Fascist president was killed mysteriously the day before, and the elements loyal to him quickly surrendered themselves.

I thought that the unikn started in 60 and that the fascists were gone by then?

I'll wait for this to be sorted out before I add anything. I also need to pinch a few ears regarding AM

[Samudera]

I thought that the unikn started in 60 and that the fascists were gone by then?

Whoops, my mistake. Yes, they are supposed to be gone in 1946. I rehearsed my old history lol

I will edit it accordingly when i have t

[Vucari]

Le Tag

Joining as an observer but gonna watch and participate in the thread

[Samudera]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1950 - Western Samudera incorporated from Dormill-Stiuraian possession
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December successfully toppled the Fascist government
1958 - International intervention ended the short communist rule. Many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar. Communist parties were banned
1960 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar, supported by UCCR nations, peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened government. Supported covertly by Linaviar and other UCCR nations
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK
1968 - Samudera joined UCCR officially
1969 - A failed international intervention tried to end the communist rule. Almost brought a war between UCCR and (INSERT NATIONS)

Bolded ones are the new (or fixed) points that indicate important events, and might involve UCCR as a whole. The last point though is pending confirmation with my neighbour, but I want to gather opinions about it.

For Bhikk, i had removed the fascist government by the time we were joined in a Union

[Thuzbekistan]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1950 - Western Samudera incorporated from Dormill-Stiuraian possession
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December successfully toppled the Fascist government
1958 - International intervention ended the short communist rule. Many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar. Communist parties were banned
1960 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar, supported by UCCR nations, peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened government. Supported covertly by Linaviar and other UCCR nations
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK
1968 - Samudera joined UCCR officially
1969 - A failed international intervention tried to end the communist rule. Almost brought a war between UCCR and (INSERT NATIONS)

Bolded ones are the new (or fixed) points that indicate important events, and might involve UCCR as a whole. The last point though is pending confirmation with my neighbour, but I want to gather opinions about it.

For Bhikk, i had removed the fascist government by the time we were joined in a Union

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=thu ... id=1028569

Edited to include summary of your commie history up to 1969. I need to know what happened to make you leave the UCCR? Not urgent though.

[Orsandia]

So an Idea I have for my early history leading into the UCCR era : So Dorm and I have agreed upon that Orsandia's IC backstory is that it used to be a part of the United Republics / or what ever Dorm's government was known as through out the 1600-1800s. If I can recall, in addition to Kaelectia, present-day Orsandia used to be the site of internal unrest until it was granted independence in the early 1900s. As a new nation, the Orsandian Monarchy was extremely weak, and soon found itself succumbing to strife and anger towards economic stagnation, class inequality, and lower class uprising. This leads to the 1st Orsandian Civil War which is akin to the the Russian Civil War - where the Orsandian Government is backed both direct/indirectly by various nations across the Isles attempting to stop the Orsandian Communists, who end up successful and establish the DPU. The DPU of Orsandia begins to nationbuild, but is met with coldness by most nations in the Isles, yet with heavy aid from fellow UCCR nations.The Orsandian Communists are pinned "war criminals" and "barbaric authoritarians" for the imprisonment and harsh treatment of state critics. Involvement in any major isles wide war, has to be run by me because I don't have too much knowledge on that much of Isles history. Famine, economic stagnation, isolation with much of the isles nations, and pleas for modernization / reform go ignored or are cracked down upon, leading to strong protests. Small liberalization and market reforms are adopted, and hard liners are spurned for party moderates who seek to thaw relations with westernized nations while also being on good terms with UCCR nations. It isnt enough, and leads into 2nd Civil War and end of DPU of Orsandia in the 1970s, and leads to a temporary military junta, which leads to the re-establishment of a constitutional monarchy, with now the monarch only as a figurehead, instead lead by a parliamentary democratic system, and a campaign for rapid reform and nation re-construction as a newly minted "free, capitalist" country begins.

Thoughts ?

[Negarakita]

1939 - Formal declaration of the Communist Party of Samudera (PKS)
1945 - PKS split into two parties, Socialist Party of Samudera (PSS), a Marxist-Leninist party, and Communist Struggle Party (PPK), a Trotskyist party
1950 - Western Samudera incorporated from Dormill-Stiuraian possession
1952 - Violence across the nation, blamed on the communists
1957 - Major communist uprising in the country, dubbed the Red December successfully toppled the Fascist government
1958 - International intervention ended the short communist rule. Many went into exile or executed. Some would settle in UCCR nations and some would depart to Linaviar. Communist parties were banned
1960 - Declaration of the Union of Sanggar, consisted of Samudera and Bhikk
1961 - War declared on Linaviar, after Samudera accused Linaviar of sheltering 'criminals'
1962 - Samudera was quickly defeated by Linaviar, supported by UCCR nations, peace treaty included provisions that all communists would be free to return to Samudera and heavy sanction
1965 - The Lotus Revolution a.k.a the communist revolution succeeded to topple the weakened government. Supported covertly by Linaviar and other UCCR nations
1966 - PSS came victorious after internal struggle with PKK
1968 - Samudera joined UCCR officially
1969 - A failed international intervention tried to end the communist rule. Almost brought a war between UCCR and (INSERT NATIONS)

Bolded ones are the new (or fixed) points that indicate important events, and might involve UCCR as a whole. The last point though is pending confirmation with my neighbour, but I want to gather opinions about it.

For Bhikk, i had removed the fascist government by the time we were joined in a Union

I'd definitely be involved in the near war.