[TWI-ONLY] [OOC] : The Spectre

[Samudera]

Will be posting a news post scheduled for February 1st. A short one

I'm actually kinda in limbo cuz I really want to RP the set up of this stuff with Samu...

The conference sekret talk? We could talk about it on discord

[Yorrkon]

As this RP starts to heat up, I will look to keep this RP open to any interested nation based in Gael, as well as nations that have a legitimate, realistic purpose and ability to participate in the RP. I am happy there is interest in the Spectre, but I ask that interested nations wanting to participate consider

-Proximity to Orsandia / Gael
- Development of factbooks
- IC GDP and Population, and how it pertains to other areas.
- Why you need to participate

If you meet or can qualify for all these criterions, or feel like you must participate, please copy this and respond. I am trying to keep this RP realistic as possible, and would like to remind you all that this is a civil war pretty much that borders on war, but is not a large nation vs. nation war, hence the presence of any overcomplicated military units is not recommended.

As for other matters, I am planning a news post tonight discussing the Ahnslen consulate evacuation, and ask for others to begin planning out what they intend to do this week.

- To your east in the Eterna Sea
- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=yor ... l=factbook
- GDP: 486.4 billion; Population: 25.1 million; Not the highest, nor the lowest out of the nations in the Eterna Sea in both GDP and Population.
- Both Balnik and Thuzbekistan are communist, and in close proximity. As Thuzbekistan seems to be coming in as the major communist nation of the north, deployment of Yorrkon Special Forces would be used in spite of Thuzebkistan; whenever the dots are connected, that enough sources are leading to Thuzbek. As well as wanting my government to be able to make a statement, that it is willing to take the necessary action to prevent further communist nations being in proximity of Yorrkon.

[Samudera]

To explain my IC post, Operation Pandawa is an intelligence gathering in Orsandia using sleeper agents (HUMINT). Nothing big yet, probably just a cat and mouse catch between others Intelligence operations

[Thuzbekistan]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=964419

Report from my government (obviously this is not ic info.)

[Ostehaar]

To explain my IC post, Operation Pandawa is an intelligence gathering in Orsandia using sleeper agents (HUMINT). Nothing big yet, probably just a cat and mouse catch between others Intelligence operations

It would be helpful to know who they are OOCly.

[Dormill and Stiura]

As this RP starts to heat up, I will look to keep this RP open to any interested nation based in Gael, as well as nations that have a legitimate, realistic purpose and ability to participate in the RP. I am happy there is interest in the Spectre, but I ask that interested nations wanting to participate consider

-Proximity to Orsandia / Gael
- Development of factbooks
- IC GDP and Population, and how it pertains to other areas.
- Why you need to participate

If you meet or can qualify for all these criterions, or feel like you must participate, please copy this and respond. I am trying to keep this RP realistic as possible, and would like to remind you all that this is a civil war pretty much that borders on war, but is not a large nation vs. nation war, hence the presence of any overcomplicated military units is not recommended.

As for other matters, I am planning a news post tonight discussing the Ahnslen consulate evacuation, and ask for others to begin planning out what they intend to do this week.

- To your east in the Eterna Sea
- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=yor ... l=factbook
- GDP: 486.4 billion; Population: 25.1 million; Not the highest, nor the lowest out of the nations in the Eterna Sea in both GDP and Population.
- Both Balnik and Thuzbekistan are communist, and in close proximity. As Thuzbekistan seems to be coming in as the major communist nation of the north, deployment of Yorrkon Special Forces would be used in spite of Thuzebkistan; whenever the dots are connected, that enough sources are leading to Thuzbek. As well as wanting my government to be able to make a statement, that it is willing to take the necessary action to prevent further communist nations being in proximity of Yorrkon.

Balnik, Communist?

[Yorrkon]

- To your east in the Eterna Sea
- https://www.nationstates.net/nation=yor ... l=factbook
- GDP: 486.4 billion; Population: 25.1 million; Not the highest, nor the lowest out of the nations in the Eterna Sea in both GDP and Population.
- Both Balnik and Thuzbekistan are communist, and in close proximity. As Thuzbekistan seems to be coming in as the major communist nation of the north, deployment of Yorrkon Special Forces would be used in spite of Thuzebkistan; whenever the dots are connected, that enough sources are leading to Thuzbek. As well as wanting my government to be able to make a statement, that it is willing to take the necessary action to prevent further communist nations being in proximity of Yorrkon.

Balnik, Communist?

Skim and scan. Noticed the word socialist, made a quick assumption, and didn't re-look over. My claims still stand, as it is due to Thuzbekistan.

[Orsandia]

Ok everyone,

I apologize for not being able to do much this week. Its the first round of midterms this quarter, and for those in college, you understand already how time demanding it is.

As for the Spectre, it was brought to my attention that we should be utilizing this OOC thread more, as convos within the regional Discord often go unseen.

I also heard some concerns from Ostehaar regarding the pace of this RP's development and unfolding of events a little too fast. While its going to be hard to control the timing of what exactly happens in the RP, I do think we should slow down the development speed a bit and allow for a proper build up of events that lead to the beginning of real conflict in this RP. We all must plan accordingly. Lets not rush this, the Spectre will come around in due time.

- I mentioned the idea of a "coalition" but I am scrapping that as I realize that even while helping, everyone involved will be in Orsandia on their own interests.

- I plan to squeeze in a News Post tonight, IC post tomorrow morning, and to begin work on factbooks that will be relevant to the development of the RP, with one being about my military.


I would ask other parties already involved who have not made a news post, or post in IC continuing IC developments to do so, and I would also appriciate it if everyone could describe the extent of their involvement in this OOC thread (i.e - sending intelligence ? military ? involved in refugee crisis aid, etc )

Yorrokon, I will leave your involvement between you and Oste/ D&S to decide the feasibility of your involvement, and what roles are given to each nation. To be bluntly honest, I am not sure how your involvement in the civil war would work, however I would ask and recommend for you to keep your options open regarding potential RPs after the Spectre that *may* involve Thuzbekistan and I (hint hint.)


For Dormill and Stiura and Ostehaar, what do you think about having our governments pre-emptively interact with each other as an aspect of buildup of this RP ? I am mainly discussing military and armament contracts. As stated, my military is based off of South Korea's, and with that is a reliance on imported (foreign) equipment, and I wanted to see if either of you would be willing to do so if applicable (We should discuss our history too OOC. , btw)


I want to hear feedback on how the Spectre may affect the geopolitical situations in The Western Isles, and any potential implications that may arise out of it.

Lastly, I have an idea to pitch in adding stuff to the RP, since what has been posted IC can't be changed now, regarding Samu's and Thuzbek's secret operations and smuggling arms and supplies into Orsandia IC, that such a basis can have a cat and mouse situation arise between our respective intelligence agencies, with the climax of it being a spec-ops raid by Me/Oste/D&S to intercept one of these shipments, only to find it was a decoy and that Thuz deceived us, and concurrently the Spectre will then kick into the armed conflict that begins in Southern Orsandia. What do you think ?


Cheers everyone, look forward to hearing back from you soon.

[Ostehaar]

I would also appriciate it if everyone could describe the extent of their involvement in this OOC thread (i.e - sending intelligence ? military ? involved in refugee crisis aid, etc )

At the moment I have a team of government agents assigned to the Orsandian issue (haven't got a name for it yet), with two of its members in the Orsandian capital to coordinate efforts with the local agencies, and the rest still in Ostehaar gathering background intelligence and getting ready to operate.

My current IC plan is to begin operations in the south - have my folks scout and identify communist leaders, search for clues regarding foreign intervention, and such. At the same time, my people back home will try other methods, like analyzing civilian ship routes or heat signatures from ports in Orsandia and stuff like that, in hopes of uncovering some more relevant information.

In later phases, I would love to deploy special forces - but as I said, for the sake of simplifying the RP I wouldn't do it if Yorrkon would deploy his eventually. I do, however, want to help with aerial bombing raids, if that would be needed.

I want to hear feedback on how the Spectre may affect the geopolitical situations in The Western Isles, and any potential implications that may arise out of it.

Gael is a calm and relatively peaceful area, with all (or most) of its nations being relatively liberal and somewhat capitalist or "western" in nature. Thuzbekistan is the only nation in the Gael greater area that has an authoritarian government and is communist.

A successful communist revolution in the heart of Gael would most probably -
- decrease stability in Gael and create tense and cold relations between a post-revolution Orsandia and the rest of the area
- increase Thuzbek influence in the area
- encourage communist groups in the area to rebel as well
- turn public opinion in Ostehaar (and perhaps other surrounding nations) more hawkish

A failed communist uprising in the heart of Gael would most probably -
- decrease stability in Gael and make be the trigger for a proxy war between Thuzbekistan and the capitalist nations of the area
- increase Thuzbek influence in the area
- strengthen local capitalist nations, and maybe even the G4 as a group

For Dormill and Stiura and Ostehaar, what do you think about having our governments pre-emptively interact with each other as an aspect of buildup of this RP ? I am mainly discussing military and armament contracts. As stated, my military is based off of South Korea's, and with that is a reliance on imported (foreign) equipment, and I wanted to see if either of you would be willing to do so if applicable (We should discuss our history too OOC. , btw)

I'm for it. My government would probably want to tighten cooperation with yours, given your communist past.

I have an idea to pitch in adding stuff to the RP, since what has been posted IC can't be changed now, regarding Samu's and Thuzbek's secret operations and smuggling arms and supplies into Orsandia IC, that such a basis can have a cat and mouse situation arise between our respective intelligence agencies, with the climax of it being a spec-ops raid by Me/Oste/D&S to intercept one of these shipments, only to find it was a decoy and that Thuz deceived us, and concurrently the Spectre will then kick into the armed conflict that begins in Southern Orsandia. What do you think ?

I'm for it.

[Aruia]

gonna post from the Aruian Embassy in Orsandia soon i think. They wont evacuate just yet but the majority of the office services are gonna be shutting down during the rising the tension while stilll letting local clerks from Orsandia go on their business.
just remember that in the Embassy services also there are workers who are locals and are possibly in a situation where their job is frozen which needs to be taken into consideration when performing that act.

[Samudera]

I will outline several of ideas and planning about my involvement in this RP, of course with Thuz as my partner-in-crime (will be quite a long text, so be prepared):

1. Operation Pandawa
   Secret operation to gather information about the status of the rebellion, and to provide channel of communication for the rebels to the high ups back in Samudera and to an extent, Thuzbekistan. It also involves infiltration ops, to gather information about Orsandian's movement and reaction, by infiltrating the Orsandian government and military. (I wouldn't infiltrate the command chain or higher ups, but it should be enough to get a glimpse of what they do in it) For this part of operation, i need Orsandia's permission. My intelligence agency would play hide and seek with Oste's and Dormill's intelligence agency. It would be a bit difficult for my agency, due to resources and other factors. OVAST could even have moles in my agency, severely downplaying my movement if desired.
   
   This will be my most extensive involvement in Orsandian soils, using the network of the already established Samuderan communities there.
   
2. Operation Vahana
   This operation would involve smuggling weapons and supplies to Orsandia using merchant ships from my ports bound to Orsandia's shore. As Oste suggested, the goods will be delivered to the merchant ship by means of swapping the real loads with guns and supplies for the rebels. This will be done by my agent. Near Orsandia's shore, the goods will be dropped using smaller ships to evade detection. This most likely will be done by Thuzbek's agents.
   
3. Further involvement
   My government would deny their involvement in this operation, as this is secret operations. And such, i could send peacekeeping forces to Orsandia, but it is actually a disguise to send military mind to the rebels. Officially the government send the forces to stabilise and support my ally. I don't know if this is feasible or even possible to do, but i keep it as an idea.
   
   I will also have a dog and cat chase with Oste and Dormill as i outlined before. But we need to discuss in what extent the indirect war would happen. My agency isn't really that great, especially at resources. This should allow the stake against me to rise until it fall upon me. And it brings us to the end:
   
4. The Impact of the Spectre to my nation
   This RP will have severe impact on my nation, after the reveal of the government involvement to support the rebels. The already ongoing distrust of the government over the Keverai leaks (The Unraveling RP), supplemented by their support in Orsandia, spark the fire of resentment over the government that they deemed "too interventionist" and "corrupt". The President will be impeached and new provisional government supported by foreign nations and Samuderan peoples. Riots and skirmishes will be widespread for sometime in Samudera, with the loyal yet small military of Samudera versus the people that demand changes. I haven't planned much about this, but this will be a general outline of what gonna happen in here. Sequel of the Spectre, if you could say

And that's it for today. And i'm sorry if i'm not clear enough, and if that's the case please ask me and i will explain it to you

[Ostehaar]

OVAST could even have moles in my agency

YES. Yes, please. TG me about where exactly in your agency I could have them, and what kind of information I can access through that. I would incorporate it in another intelligence report if I get some valuable information.

[Thuzbekistan]

OVAST could even have moles in my agency

YES. Yes, please. TG me about where exactly in your agency I could have them, and what kind of information I can access through that. I would incorporate it in another intelligence report if I get some valuable information.

Speaking of this, I'll tg you later about the level of access that you could have with me given you have a listening post practically off my coast.

[Samudera]

OVAST could even have moles in my agency

YES. Yes, please. TG me about where exactly in your agency I could have them, and what kind of information I can access through that. I would incorporate it in another intelligence report if I get some valuable information.

Probably somewhere high enough to know about the existence of this operation yet low enough to not know the precise detail until the climax.

Maybe R&D Manager in SAFI (my foreign intelligence agency)? He must know about the existence of this operation but wont know enough detail

And oh, i will release an intelligence report next week regarding both Operations along with the information that OVAST could gather

Speaking of this, I'll tg you later about the level of access that you could have with me given you have a listening post practically off my coast.

We should discuss about our cooperation in intelligence field

[Orsandia]

Posting IC / News Article Shortly.

[Thuzbekistan]

Ok, so here are my plans for the immediate next like 5 posts and then beyond that:

1. Samudera and I will RP the smuggling process in Samudera as my agents work with his to get the goods there. Samu, I need to ask you how and where such a thing would occur.
2. Once the goods are there and my spec ops are in place, we would begin coordinated armed attacks aimed at taking the ports as first priority to secure a supply line. this would be especially needed after the attempted raid that is planned, which would highlight that you know someone is funding them and require immediate action regarding that. A detailed map would be useful in this particular situation.
3. Once the ports were taken, we would move towards the capital post haste. Our ultimate war aims would be to secure the capital and either negotiate a peace or continue to the war for the rest of the country.
4. Once we get turned back, Thuzbekistan would pour more spec ops into the area to try and cripple Dormill deployment.


On the cat and mouse side: my counter intelligence groups in Ostehaar could possibly get wind of the location of the agents and I could try to assassinate them as well. You know, he's using big names there. Killing prominent agents might be cool. But I doubt that would be successful and we may plan it, then abort it.



Samudera, Orsandia, the smuggling ops should be done in two ways: One is by sending regular merchant ships traceable back to Thuzbekistan with no illegal cargo while purely samuderan ships would be used to transport the guns, mostly at night. I will send 5 of my Lada Class subs to act as recon. They have a 45 day operating endurance, so they would have to return to Thuzbekistan after 30 days on station. Is this a probable thing that would be allowed?

[Aruia]

any idea how to involve Aruia in all this? in the idea that Aruia fills a less militant roll

[Samudera]

any idea how to involve Aruia in all this? in the idea that Aruia fills a less militant roll

You could help the humanitarian effort and accommodate refugee flowing to your border once the war has escalated since, from all nations bordering Orsandia, only you and Ainslie will be neutral

[Thuzbekistan]

Ostehaar, I'm gonna have orders from the naval industry to deploy a squadron of subs written up for you after Samu and I get done.

[Thuzbekistan]

I keep making plans to post, but I end up only making one post a night due to how tired i am at the end of the day.

[Ostehaar]

I keep making plans to post, but I end up only making one post a night due to how tired i am at the end of the day.

One post per day is a lot. I never got to that level. :P

[Thuzbekistan]

I keep making plans to post, but I end up only making one post a night due to how tired i am at the end of the day.

One post per day is a lot. I never got to that level.

Damn ok

[Samudera]

Maps of Orsandia

[Ostehaar]

A short update on my situation, before Orsandia posts about the plan forward -

- I have two high-level operatives hanging around undercover in Urching, scouting and probing their way to find more about the PLF, the individuals in it and its possible foreign supporter. They're assisted by a few other low-level operatives, mostly for things like operational security and safe-house maintenance (Dormill, your agents can use the same place too, if you want to save costs...). So my next post(s) will include them doing their investigation and maybe the guys back in HQ discussing some of the information. Good old "detective" work. The information gathered through this will be shared with both Orsandia and Dormill.

- Back in my capital, my government is discussing possible escalation of the conflict and how Ostehaar would be involved in such a scenario. I hope to post something from these meetings, which would include what I could do, how, and when. I might include stuff like requesting permission from Orsandia to start training Special Forces in their nation, mention discussing with Orsandian decision-makers about possible targets for my air force, and such.

[Aruia]

posted a small dialog among the Aruian envoy in Orsandia overlooking the events that happen so far there, while Aruia clearly states to prepare for whatever they can.