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Postby Townside » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:31 pm

Hey! So Ainslie kindly pointed me to the Ipachi people as a replacement ethnic group for the 'Polynesian' people I currently have in my nation. I would like the Ipachi people to be a part of my nation's narrative, so I'll try my best to answer the following questions and see what you guys think.

How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?

The Ipachi people left what is now modern day Ainslie by boat in search of better land. The Ipachi Townsiders are descended from those Ipachi who sailed south. They arrived on the uninhabited Christmas Island (which was nameless back then) and named it Island Kenaris. They settled around the coast, as the inland was still heavily forested.

It is unknown when the Ipachi Townsiders got here, but they were here 'long before' the British arrived on 25 December 1798. Old records of the Island's history was destroyed during the Great Christmas Island War, and Ipachi oral tradition regarding their history is also vague and not helpful in determining when they arrived. For example, their stories tell that their ancestors 'left Anslie when the northern and western Gods thundered with mercilessness', or 'they arrived on the island when Kenaris was still a young girl'.

What are your Ipachi like?

Ipachi Townsiders live the simplest on the island. They are known for being humble and kind. They are also extremely hospitable people. Tourists or (friendly) soldiers stumbling onto their tribes and villages would be cared for well. They were also peaceful and welcoming of the immigration of the British, Spanish, Japanese and other ethnic peoples, even though it meant they became a minority on the island they founded.

Ipachi Townsiders may be physically daunting, as they are taller and darker than most ethnic groups, and also naturally stronger due to their tribal lifestyle. Their language also sounds more brash than the European and Asian languages. As Noah, the younger Grand Prince of Townside once said: "They sound like they're constantly scolding me!" While Ipachi Townsiders are friendly and happy people, and they do smile a lot, their resting faces often take the form of frowning, which give off the opposite impression.

They don't mind any stereotyping though. They just care about their precious, fertile land, which they use for traditional and sustainable agriculture, and their traditional boats and seas, which they use for fishing and protecting Townside's coasts and territorial waters.

How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?

In modern Townside, the majority of farms are owned by Ipachi people, which they regard as a 'common heritage of Townside'. The majority of locally grown Townside produce is labelled 'Ipachi made'. The same goes with Townside's fishing industry. Many modern Ipachi Townsiders go into the shipbuilding industry.

Historically, the Ipachi Townsiders were not killed off by the British because their skill at agriculture, fishing and navigation made them assets to the British when they founded the young colony of Christmas Island. This allowed them to coexist peacefully. The British built their urban cities away from traditional Ipachi land, while the Ipachi stayed in their tribes. They often cooperated to make their ends meet. Future immigrants of other Europeans and Asians witnessed the same Ipachi hospitality. This made their integration into Townside's society seamless and easy.

There are currently 155,000 Ipachi Townsiders today (5.4% of the national population). However, only 31,600 of them speak the Ipachi language as a first language, and only 23,000 still follow the Kenaris mythology. Most of them now speak English as a first language, and are either Christian or Buddhist in faith.

They are still mostly rural, living in about 7 different tribes. Recently, they started to construct a village (Village Kenaris) at about equal distances from the 7 tribes, to act as a sort of 'Ipachi capital', putting them on the map like the urban centres of Fleming, Jenner, Nightingale, Faraday, Livingstone and Townside. There are also many younger, modern Ipachi Townsiders who travel, live or study in the cities. Many still maintain links to their tribes and the village. Ipachi culture is strongest in their village and tribes, but is only present in rudimentary form in the cities.

What are the status of the Ipachi today?

The Ipachi people do not have any special status in the modern society of Townside. They are on equal footing with the other ethnic groups of Townside.

The Federation of Social Justice Warriors (an umbrella federation for a collective of extreme far-left organisations) often campaign for the rulers of Townside to end their 'racism' and 'bigotry' by recognising the Ipachi Townsiders as 'indigenous people' or 'first peoples'. They base their argument on the fact that the Ipachi Townsiders are the oldest ethnic group on the island, and also that Townside needs to end its 'white supremacist' attitude.

However, the Ipachi Townsiders themselves, always humble, often disagrees with the Social Justice Federation. The Ipachi Townsiders often argue that they are not native to the island, and therefore they cannot claim ownership or preferential status over the island.
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Postby Ainslie » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:09 pm

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Postby Verdon » Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:05 pm

Question for the assembly.

The FAQ section says that the Ipachi arose from the proto-nyssic group. It also says the Ipachi are a pseudo-polynesian ethnicity.
This is problematic, as the proto-nyssics are a pseudo-celtic group and would look nothing like each other.

What's the solution here?

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Postby Ainslie » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:07 am

Verdon wrote:Question for the assembly.

The FAQ section says that the Ipachi arose from the proto-nyssic group. It also says the Ipachi are a pseudo-polynesian ethnicity.
This is problematic, as the proto-nyssics are a pseudo-celtic group and would look nothing like each other.

What's the solution here?


Although I'm not entirely sure if this is canon yet or not, I am planning for the Ipachis to just "turn up" now. Beyond that, I do not have much more of an explanation since i'm planning to adjust history a bit.
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Postby Verdon » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:26 am

Ainslie wrote:Although I'm not entirely sure if this is canon yet or not, I am planning for the Ipachis to just "turn up" now. Beyond that, I do not have much more of an explanation since i'm planning to adjust history a bit.


I'm a fan of 'just turning up'. Asking because I'll probably be incorporating them soon.

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Postby Razzgriz » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:35 am

Just wanted to add that Oseo-Ipacs resemble Melanesians with those with more recent Sanggaric and Ahnslen ancestry resembling Micronesians.
Iskarian Ipachis resemble Polynesians and Malaysians depending on how much they have mixed with the native Iskarians, primarily the Kassov whom resemble Kazakhstani Turks.
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Postby Creek Islands » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:03 am

1. How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?
The Ipachi branched and descended south, migrating to the tropics and eventually settling on Creek Islands' northernmost region; the Pará Island, before spreading to latter parts of the archipelago. They got into the Creek Islands at around 750 BC, becoming the earliest humans to populate the archipelago.

2. What are your Ipachi like?
In terms of physical appearance, they resemble real Polynesians, however slightly more dark-colored.

3. How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?
When the Ipachi arrived at 750 BC, they formed fragmented tribes that fought over each other for dominance or little cultural differences. They started to develop large-scale agriculture around 150 AD and formed agrarian societies based on farming. Eventually, at 400 AD, the tribes began to merge and annex eachother as a by-product of various conflicts and alliances, even if slowly. At 700 AD, the tribes have decided to unite into a confederacy composed of loose tribal-states, called the Caraíban Empire (or the Caraíban confederacy). The empire spread through the remaining parts of the Creeker archipelago and even attempted to settle in other islands in the south Southern Sea.

The Caraíban-Ipachi Empire declined and stagnated with the Portuguese colonization efforts in the 17th century and was offered to be a tributary state. After lots of hesitation originating from the Ipachi side, the Caraíban Empire accepted and were gradually integrated within the Viceroyalty of Delta do Riacho (colonial Creek Islands). At 1804, a huge revolution led by native Ipachis and radical settlers ended Portuguese dominion in the archipelago, resulting in the formation of the Delta Republic (or Neo-Caraíban State).

4. What are the status of the Ipachi today?
They are considered to play a huge, important role in Creek Islands' identity and culture, known for their tribal traditions and by their miraculously sailing skills. The majority of Ipachi descendants now live in urban centers, far away from the lush jungles of the archipelago, but there is still a myriad of Ipachi peoples and tribes residing inland, retaining their ancient culture.

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I'd like to have some Ipachi people to be the indigenous population of the Creek Islands since I described my indigenous peoples being of "Polynesian descent" as a placeholder, since I couldn't find an ethnicity that resembles the Polynesian in some way and is spread through the Southern Sea until now.

(Also, sorry for simplifying it too much... D:)
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Postby Linaviar » Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:01 pm

A linguistics resource for those who want to add some Austronesian flavor to their languages, The Austronesian Comparative Dictionary.

Contains reconstructed words from the various Austronesian Proto-Languages, their meanings, and the various present-day-language evolutions of said words. For what the letters in the reconstructed forms represent, the various Wikipedia pages on the languages should cover things.

If you want to run some sound changes on the various proto-forms, or want to see what sound changes led to their modern day incarnations, this resource has you covered.
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Ipachi Language Categorization?

Postby Linaviar » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:31 pm

A comment by Razzgriz on Discord led me to put this together: A document for people to organize and list the existence of their Ipachi languages. May be the start of an Ipachi language project (or at least mapping), may go nowhere. Just putting this out there in case anyone wants to add to it or use it to launch some discussion.

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Razzgriz, Navigation VillagerToday at 16:04
@Lin, (almost) never speaks Think you could create a linguistical tree of the Ipachi languages from its proto form to all its modern families in the isles today?

Lin, (almost) never speaksToday at 16:09
I'd need to get a path of descendance for every Ipachi language currently spoken; This would require at least partial reconstructions of the various proto-forms in both phonology and some basic lexicon, so making these kinds of connections would require quite a bit of coordination. Doable, but I have to wonder how open many will be to it.
Would basically balloon into a small Proto-Ipachi project in itself
That being said, a good starting point would be to put up a document that would allow a full listing of the Ipachi languages currently in the isles; have some ordered categories for people who want certain proto-forms (for relations with or separation from others) and some unordered ones for those who know they want an Ipachi language but don't know where they want to slot it in terms of history. Then work out sound correspondences/changes from there...
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Postby New Aapelistan » Wed Nov 27, 2019 1:27 am

Good morning. So, I have decided that a major part of my non-Aprosian minorities would be Ipachis originating from Linaviar, that's been the idea so far atleast. As you are reading the following answers to the questions of the thread, keep in mind that this is still very much work in progress and for ideas etc, you can either respond here, telegram me in NS or send me a message in Discord (the most reliable way to message me).

1. How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?

My Ipachis (native name pending, Aprosian name pending, the Aprosian state would however refer to them as 'Island Aprosians' or something of the sort à la Turkey) would originate from Linaviar or would come to Aprosia in the same migration wave as they came to Linaviar. They would largely populate the northern coast of my nation and the my northern islands, while settlements in the south are very much possible. They would either come at around 3500 BC (if they came in the same wave as Linaviar but did not settle in Linaviar) or later in 3400BC - 2500BC. For reference, the proto-Aprosians came to Aprosia at around 2900 BC.

2. What are your Ipachi like?

Linguistically, culturally et cetera, they share roots with the Ipachis of Linaviar (the Khenamali?) but through interaction with the majority Aprosian population, they would share similarities with the local Aprosian population as well.

3. How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?

In the modern day, the Ipachis would mainly populate my northern islands which were populated by Aprosians later than the mainland. In the islands, the Ipachis would still retain a seperate identity when compared to the Aprosians, but on the mainland, they would have been integrated to the Aprosian society and be indistinguishable from the majority population. The northern Aprosians, populating my northern coasts and the islands, would have relatively many Ipachi influences when compared to the Western and Mountain Aprosians.

4. What are the status of the Ipachi today?

Oh boy the 'Island Aprosian' name should tell you something.

As rather radical pan-Aprosian nationalism is a part of the ruling ideology of the nation, the Ipachis would not be officially considered a different people but instead an Aprosian people that was historically much more influenced by foreign culture and ways and as such, they should be fully Aprosianised. They would not have language rights as Ipachi language media and education would have been fully replaced by media and education in the regional official languages. Political rights would be limited, as they are not fully Aprosian yet and I don't know would all even have citizenship. As the northern islands are divided between two federal subjects, one federal city and one ethnic state, most political and administrative positions would be filled with local Aprosians.

Overall, their status as Ipachis would be heavily restricted and worser than the majority Aprosian population.
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Postby The Aziran Islands » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:18 pm

How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when? The Aziri people first arrived on the island of Aziria from southern Argus around 3000 BCE
What are your Ipachi like? I haven't quite nailed down what the Aziri are like (Wellsia might have more information) but I know they will be heavily inspired by the Phonecians
How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society? The Aziri created a sprawling trading empire across the Mesder Sea and the west coast of Argus.
What are the status of the Ipachi today? The Aziri continue to make up a majority of the population, and Ipachi culture is dominant in Aziran life

Like I said, still drafting a draft of a first draft. TG me if you have ideas/suggestions

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Postby Ainslie » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:55 am

Open Question to the Ipachi-hosting frequenters of this thread: What do your Ipachi descendents look like? We're talking height, hair colour, build, even wingspan if you're feeling into that medieval stuff. Writing a new ipachi factbook so responses would be greatly appreciated.

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Postby Linaviar » Sat Dec 14, 2019 5:58 am

What do your Ipachi descendents look like?

Let me preface this by saying that Linaviar acts as something of a genetic melting pot. While the Ipachis were the first people to come to my nation (C. 3200 B.C.E. as well, so lots of time for differentiation) they were far from the only people. Linaviar today has 15 "native" ethnic groups, 8 of which speak an Ipachi language, and 14 of which can be described as "culturally Linaviarni". Among these 14 groups, marriage as an institution isn't really a thing, and so the common means of establishing alliances and deals and the like through most of history (when marriage was the usual go-to) was exchanges of people. Tribe A and Tribe B come to an agreement, so volunteers from each are sent to live with and integrate into the other, and the people of both become genetically mixed.

While the prototypical Ipachi of my nation has something of a polynesian look (with olive color skin similar to Hawaiians or Maori, a fairly large build, and a tendency towards black hair and brown eyes) which is more or less maintained among the Qeuko in the western islands of Linaviar (owing to their relative genetic isolation from the other native ethnic groups, though intermixing with Khas-Kirati peoples has left its mark), Linaviar also received migrations from a number of other sources. The Kegara (short, stocky, deep black skin, red hair and green eyes), Loxo (tall, slender, black-brown skin, blonde hair and grey eyes), Ćuţháìķé (short, wiry, pale white skin, large jawline, blue eyes and brown hair), and Madunari (large, rosy white skin, black hair, with common freckles and heterocrhomia) have all contributed to the larger genetic character of Linaviar, alongside more marginal groups such as the Khas-Kiratis and Aprosians (tentative on the last, pending discussion with NA).

The result is that the "Ipachis" of Linaviar tend to run the gamut in terms of looks, from skin and eye colour to build, and are more defined by linguistic and cultural ties than genetic descent. One unusual feature though, particularly among the "Eastern" Ipachi of Linaviar, is the common presence of individuals with six fingers / toes per hand / foot, who make up anywhere from 20% ~ 40% of the population depending upon the ethnic group. This is a trait that was inherited from the Ćuţháìķé, who possess a dominant allele that carries this trait in large numbers, and has spread from them to (most) the rest of Linaviar. Among the Ipachi, the Hisawa and Qeuko notably have low instances of this trait, trending around 5% ~ 10% of the population.
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Postby Athara Magarat » Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:17 pm

Ainslie wrote:Open Question to the Ipachi-hosting frequenters of this thread: What do your Ipachi descendents look like? We're talking height, hair colour, build, even wingspan if you're feeling into that medieval stuff. Writing a new ipachi factbook so responses would be greatly appreciated.

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What do your Ipachi descendants look like?

The label "Argean Ipachi" is applied to Magarati Ipachis of the past and the present. In AM, it is very hard to distinguish who is a Khas-Kirati and who is an Ipachi. This is because, save for a few, most Ipachi tribes did not have their own guns while late arrivals like Domans and Nyssics were granted gun status. So, Ipachis had to become an "immigrant clan" (despite the fact that they had been living in AM for thousands of years) and seek protection from "older clans of a gun" to survive in the Magarati warzone of hangates and clans. Most Khas-Kirati clans are actually of Ipachi origin (having assimilated over the centuries due to this reason).

A Magarati Ipachi can range anything from a Persian-looking dude to East Asian types to North/South Indian to Austronesian-like. But the general stereotype is that darker skin tone = Ipachi heritage (even though everyone in AM is mixed).

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Postby The Aziran Islands » Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:02 pm

What do your Ipachis look like?
The Aziri, who are the dominant Ipachi people in Aziria, have a tan, somewhat olive complexion due to the Mediterranean climate of the region (think Italy, Spain, etc.) They are mostly tall, dark-haired, and have a somewhat muscular build due to their historic role as a seafaring people.

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Postby Ainslie » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:13 pm

Thank you for the responses.

I present you with a new set of questions now:

Do your Ipachis have a symbolic linkage to the constellation Kenaris? Has this evolved or changed over time?

How do your Ipachis approach notions of sea and land?

Are there any other symbols or folklore uniquely connected to Ipachi groups in your nation?

Have any of these symbols or folklore become dominant or widespread in the nation?
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Postby Ainslie » Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:29 pm

Also, here's the first set of questions answered about the Ipachi for Ainslie and Keverai

Ainslie
How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?
They just appeared in 3,000BC

What are your Ipachi like?
Today they're relatively assimilated both genetically and culturally. They do not experience any abnormally high amounts of disadvantage as a result of their race. Rather, their traditional homelands did not experience the same wealth and urbanisation as Arnton, Arborai and Port Blaxland - with the exception of Mandara which is a major tourist hub. The Ipachis today are virtually indistinguishable and are considered to be broadly Ahnslen - with Merenese and Arnish being struck from the census as ethnicities in 1924.

How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?
The Merenese Ipachi, commonly referred to as such due to their roots to the Ipachi groups at the time of the Arnish High Council's reign. The Arnish-Wellinian majority up until recently (late 1940s) had an awkward alliance built off of suspicion of a pan-Ipachi movement that would see a new nation through what is referred to modern day as southern Dallama and the two electorates of Burnett and Manning. When unification occurred in the late 19th century, early governments pressed forward with controversial policies which would have seen the destruction, or referred to then as the "merging" of the Merenese, Arnish and Wellinian cultures to form a broader Ahnslen identity. The Merenese drew the short straw of this, with modern native Ahnslen culture resembling Arnish-Wellinian traits than Merenese. PM Senton Tullan did apologise for this, but the labelling of it as a genocide has always been sharply rejected. This stands despite the Merenese almost completely losing their language in its entirety, with the Arnish and Wellinians maintaining theirs.

What are the status of the Ipachi today?
Today the Merenese/Ahnslen Ipachi stand as one of the least linked with the wider ancestral group, often being hundreds of years away from any relation to non Ahnslen Ipachis. They are highly integrated into Ahnslen societya nd are only truly identificable by rough geographical distribution that is different to those who are typically understood to be Arnish or Wellinian.


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How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?
The Ipachi sailed down the coast from Athara Magarat in ??BC, quickly expanding along the peninsula and living along the coast - fishing and forming.

What are your Ipachi like?
Keveraite Ipachis are at roughly 10% of their population, mostly restricted to the less wealthy north of the nation and were predominately employed in the sweatshop industry up until recently. They are relatively tall like their Ahnslen counterparts, however they have a slimmer build and have a darker, light brown complexion indicative of their moreso pure Ipachi genes, having not intermingled with other groups.

How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?
The Keveraite Ipachis - often to as native keveraites or locally as the "natives" or in a derogatory manner the "darkies". They lived in peace, untouched by other groups and maintaining their ancient practices along the seas and rivers until the 1500s. Guillaume Kevere, heralded by the Keveraites as their forefather, coordinated a genocide intentionally. The purpose of this genocide was to ensure "security" was truly performed under the guise of an ideology which placed foreign Indigenious peoples as comparable to animals. The village between Kevara and Kertalin that the natives built were burned and its inhabitants sold into a slavery operation aided and facilitated by the Norland Trading Company who were at the forefront of the Argus slave trade. When the company eventually declined, Keverai continued to conduct this trade of Ipachis until it was outlawed in 1867 when the nation was incorporated into the Ahnslen sovereign.

Gradually over time, the land where the natives were able to live in relative safety would develop yet remained largely neglected. This continues to the modern day, with discrimination not directly occurring against them. Insted, they experience a more broader yet severe disadvantage due to their location in the country. Many of the natives do not hold full citizenship to this day, partially because of the complex process and the additional difficulties for these groups to access public services. However, it also highlights a broad disinterest from the Government for these people.

What are the status of the Ipachi today?
Today the Keveraite Ipachis experience severe discrimination and many remain empoverished and disconnected from their ancient practices and the lands of their ancestors. The Government remains hesitant to act, not because of any prevailing ideology which discriminates against the but rather in fear of the instability and cost it would present to its preferred people and the ones which form its awkward appearance - the urban Keveraites who are often temporary residents or Norlandic by ancestry.
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Postby The Aziran Islands » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:45 pm

Do your Ipachis have a symbolic linkage to the constellation Kenaris? Has this evolved or changed over time?
The Aziri long relied on Kenaris for navigation, and the constellation remains an important national symbol. Today, it is seen not as a symbol not only of the Aziri, but of Aziria's Ipachi heritage.

More controversially, Kenaris has been used by militant ultranationalist groups as a symbol of Aziria supremacy over all Ipachi people. Most infamously, the Pan-Aziran Front used Kenaris as a symbol during the Aziran civil war, and placed signs with it outside Khas-Khirati neighborhoods and villages after their inhabitants were killed during the 1995-1996 Aziran genocide.

Despite this, attempts to claim Kenaris as a symbol of hate have largely failed. An opinion poll found that 66% of Azirans view the Kenaris symbol positively, though 87% of Aziran Khas-Khirati view it negatively.

How do your Ipachis approach notions of sea and land?
Sea and land are viewed as an example of the dualistic worldview of traditional Aziran culture, in that both are integral parts of the world, and one cannot exist without the other.

Are there any other symbols or folklore uniquely connected to Ipachi groups in your nation?
One of the most noticable symbol of the Aziri is the Aziran Violet (viola aziria), a species of flower that grows in parts of Aziria. The flower is seen as a symbol of justice, people power, and revolution. The connection dates back to the early 18th century, when famed peasant leader and revolutionary Qidas Mashari popularized adorning one's clothing with a violet as a showing of solidarity with the peasant class and dissent against the aristocratic government.

Since then, both the flower and the color have come to be seen as a symbol of revolution and change. Most notably, the wave of pro-democracy protests that swept Aziria in the late 1980s came to be known as the Violet Revolution, and the two violet bars on the Aziran flag symbolize change and revolution.

Have any of these symbols or folklore become dominant or widespread in the nation?
Yes. To this day, the color Violet has been used by populist and anti-establishment movements on both the political left and right.

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Postby Athara Magarat » Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:43 pm

Do your Ipachis have a symbolic linkage to the constellation Kenaris? Has this evolved or changed over time?
Certainly. As for its evolution - kind of. The "Three Stars" is the rip-off Magarati version symbolizing the three Ipachi-majority hangates (Koch, Jaring and Marubhumi). The use of Kenaris has been dying out unfortunately.

How do your Ipachis approach notions of sea and land?
Might need to explain this later...

Are there any other symbols or folklore uniquely connected to Ipachi groups in your nation?
Yes, the tale of the Black Turtle. This giant sea turtle is believed to the place of origin of the Ipachis (at least Argean Ipachis). Ancient Khas-Kiratis believed that Ipachis were spread all across the Isles because "Ancient Ipachis" travelled around the back of this giant sea turtle. The Black Turtle is one of the Great Vargas, god-like beasts with supernatural abilities. But unlike other Great Vargas which were associated with empires and kingdoms, the Black Turtle is associated with the "Ipachi people" as whole.

Have any of these symbols or folklore become dominant or widespread in the nation?
The tale of the Black Turtle was used for centuries to hire Ipachi sailors in the Khas-Kirati navies. The Khas-Kiratis (and their horses and other animals) had this immense fear of "saltwater" (or "blackwater" as they called it) and the monsters that lurked in the seas. A Khas-Kirati individual (in the past) (most likely) had to perform a ritual before crossing this blackwater. The Ipachis didn't have to do any of this bullsh!t and the Khas-Kirati logic was that their Ipachi neighbors were blessed and protected by the Black Turtle. The one negative thing is that Ipachis are steretotyped as sailors or fishermen because of this.
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Postby Scantarbia » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:48 am

1. How did the Ipachi get to your nation, and when?

Imikalani, roughly translated to “Searchers of Heaven”, was once part of the Ipachi tribe. These two groups once lived in peace and unity, but as time went by, their difference started to appear from behind the curtain. Although the term “Imikalani” only appears just before the creation of their first settlement on 3000 BC in what is today known as the metropolis of Sirius in Scantarbia’s Laniakea Islands Region, historians used the term to refer to the group prior to its actual invention in order to create a distinction between the two different sides of the Ipachi tribe.

3090 BC marked the first clash between these groups. Imikalani records (which are surprisingly well preserved) blames the Ipachi for assaulting a group of Imikalani observing the stars and experimenting on substances on a “research hut” in the middle of the jungle. The story goes that the hut was then razed and the people inside then burned alive, accused of blasphemy. The records also indicate the clash was the climax to a century-long resentment between the science-loving Imikalani and mysticism-oriented Ipachi.

The attack also marked the start of a war between these two initially-same-but-different groups. The fighting is enclosed only on Linaviar, where all the events took place. Initially, it was a fair fight, but overtime the sheer numbers of Ipachi managed to push back Imikalani deeper into the jungle. They started utilizing hit and run attacks, utilizing their scientific know-how to harass the Ipachi, but their efforts were subliminal to turn the course of the fight to the Imikalani’s side.

Greatly outnumbered and weakened, Imikalani and Ipachi leaders met in 3002 BC resulting in the outcast of Imikalani members from Ipachi tribe and society. They then set sail on their “great double-hulled ocean-going canoes” searching for a place they can call “home”, the term soon change into “heaven” or “Laniakea”. The change probably due to the fact that they haven’t been able to find any island worthy of their settlement for many years. And this change resulted in the outcasts calling themselves “Imikalani”, Searchers of Heaven.

The year is now 3000 AD. They have spent nearly 2 years venturing the open seas with their flotilla, searching for an island to be settled. Quoting one of the navigators of the great journey that has her journal preserved inside a vast mountain complex built by Imikalani to be a “great library” and a “concentrated source of knowledge for our descendants”.

“We have spent many nights, almost 2 years to be exact, floating above the open ocean, searching for a lush island to be settled on, sailing westward. On that morning, we sighted a big island in the distance, we set sail to approach it. Approaching the island, we entered a cove, apparently it’s a big one. Standing on the mast of the canoe when it is entering the cove, you can see mountains sitting on the distance, covered by clouds, the place feels like, oddly, heaven. We had a feeling that this is where we should settle, so we do just that.”

They made landfall on the shores of today’s Scantarbia’s economic capital, Sirius.

2. What are your Ipachi like?

Exactly like the Ipachis of Linaviar, where they originated from. But as the year went by, they somehow get comparatively taller and with a rather paler skin than their Linaviar counterparts

3. How did these Ipachi develop, and integrate into your society?

They found the islands empty, unhabitable. They got a free real estate. Their settlements initially only emerge along the shoreline, where there is plenty of food and arable land for farming and building. Later on, they went deeper into the island and opens more settlements until they occupied the entire island.

4. What are the status of the Ipachi today?

Beginning from 1400 AD, foreigners came. Mainly Greek, Russians, and Germans. They're welcomed with open hands with the Imikalanis which is now a rather liberal society. They mingled together, mixing their cultures along the way, resulting in this mix we have now. But despite of that, there are still many Imikalanis that are still "pure-bred". In the modern era, all of the ethnicity inside Scantarbia thrives together in the principle of peaceful co-existence under a united "Scantarbian" identity.

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Postby Razzgriz » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:20 am

Do your Ipachis have a symbolic linkage to the constellation Kenaris? Has this evolved or changed over time?

Within Razgriz the Kenaris itself are often viewed as a representation of the Ipachi or ----, as they're called in Íszkárí, people themselves. The former would mainly become solidified during the 19th century during which the Confederation would begin to butt heads with its overlords the Khas-Kirati Empire. In an effort to undermine their rival the Confederation would often take the side of the Khas-Kirat's Ipachi minority during their many rebellious movements, inadvertently earning its title as the defender of the Ipachi people and possibly birthing the modern Pan-Ipachi Movement.

The constellation has also been known to be originally (and still sometimes today) used as a symbol for the one's origin, rather it be their physical or spiritual home.

How do your Ipachis approach notions of sea and land?

The notions are commonly viewed as 2 sides of the same coin, parallel worlds that only the chosen can cross. This view is mainly influenced by the Íszkárí Sātæmár Religion, which views the 2 as individual offspring from the twin goddesses of the moon (Rhǣá) and sun (Rho). Perhaps the most unique viewpoint of the Ipachi & Íszkárí of Razgriz is that the Isles' vast seas are seen as avenue that connects its people throughout the isles rather than separating them.

Are there any other symbols or folklore uniquely connected to Ipachi groups in your nation?

(1) Kástál's Trio/Crest - named after the artist who designed the emblem, is perhaps the most important symbol in Razgriz behind that of the Mark of Rhǣá. The crest has become the de facto representation of the longstanding and complex relationship between the Ipachi & Íszkárí People and the multinational entity that is Razgriz today. The crest combines the Kenaris Constellation and the Íszkárí Circle of Sálá (Known as Sálá the God Mother. She is considered the head of the Pantheon alongside her husband Ukko. She is most notable for giving birth to the 8 High Gods). The crest serves a duel meaning as the evolution of the people, from its Ipachi roots, to the nation's status as defender's of the Ipachi people (as the circle can be seen as protecting the constellation in a way).

The emblem would originally included a depiction of 2 unicorns (a symbol, which represented the Khas-Kirat people in the wake of Aklia's conquests) on the outside of Sálá's Circle, however they would be replaced by 2 foxes representing the ruling tribe of Mgar-Ræn (Tribe of the Western Dragon and Eastern Fox) on the national flag.


(2) Nárá's wings - the wings Nárá (Godess of Death and Fertility) are often painted on the forheads of both expecting mothers and the dead. Another influence of the the Íszkárí Sātæmár Religion the wings of Nárá are considered to be catalysts for Nárá's powers of protection to flow as she is known to guide souls to and fro Umáko (the realm of souls).

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(3) Mark of Rhǣá - Will add more later

Have any of these symbols or folklore become dominant or widespread in the nation?
All of the symbols presented for this questionnaire have widespread use within Razgriz and many of its former territories during the time of the Confederation. While not all symbols common in Razgriz have been shown, the 3 presented are perhaps the most widely known to those whom the Íszkárí
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Postby Athara Magarat » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:47 pm

Can these two people/nations join the Ipachi halls?

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