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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:45 am

Athara Magarat wrote:I bet Noronica has already started a factbook on this.

That's in production!

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Postby Ainslie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:20 am

Verdon wrote:Oh you mean that thing he does every week?

I meant to cater for this RP

"The only issue with the use of existing territories is that most already have established RP’s and they are small compared to what the original idea was. This also wouldn’t allow for new ideas as there has already been an established storyline for said territory."
- Noronica

I'm specifically referencing the Wake Islands here... I don't see much problem with that NPC for this. Overall, this seems to be a massive idea that might just be too big to pull off. I find it difficult to picture a scenario where this would in fact draw people into Argus. An 'evil', for the lack of a better word, government would not be an enticing factor for new players to enter into the area.

Also, this could be dropped onto the end of IW2 as an alternative that probably should happen.
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Postby Arthemesia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:31 am

Hey, I don't know if this is the correct thread for this or not, but I notice Doppler is not on the map but his bold territories is. That is why I want to put in motion a draft to take over South Dopplarian Islands as well as Andersite.
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Postby Vancouvia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:03 am

Arthemesia wrote:Hey, I don't know if this is the correct thread for this or not, but I notice Doppler is not on the map but his bold territories is. That is why I want to put in motion a draft to take over South Dopplarian Islands as well as Andersite.


I'm in the process of sorting out all bold territories

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Postby Arthemesia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:13 am

Vancouvia wrote:
Arthemesia wrote:Hey, I don't know if this is the correct thread for this or not, but I notice Doppler is not on the map but his bold territories is. That is why I want to put in motion a draft to take over South Dopplarian Islands as well as Andersite.


I'm in the process of sorting out all bold territories

Alright. I would like to formally ask for the South Islands and Andersite then.
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Postby Ainslie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:24 am

Vancouvia wrote:
I'm in the process of sorting out all bold territories


What are your plans for them?
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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:56 am

Ainslie wrote:I'm specifically referencing the Wake Islands here... I don't see much problem with that NPC for this. Overall, this seems to be a massive idea that might just be too big to pull off. I find it difficult to picture a scenario where this would in fact draw people into Argus. An 'evil', for the lack of a better word, government would not be an enticing factor for new players to enter into the area.

Also, this could be dropped onto the end of IW2 as an alternative that probably should happen.

Okay this is beginning to get a little muddled.

I originally wanted to make this RP as an Iraq-styled war that ended with the separation of territory to various sides. The RP would draw people in as it meant alliances could fight over their territories and conduct intel operations around other territories (much like East/West Germany). The government was an idea so that it would allow a reason for invasion. There could be other reasons for invasion.

I don't want it to connect with IW2 as; A. We have no idea when that ends and it is not looking to be ending any time soon, B. That would prioritise the alliances involved in IW2, while I wanted this to involve a lot of others.

The Wake Islands - that would be Polar's job then as I can't make an RP with someone else's territory, that isn't fair on them, and I want to create this RP with Van as I stated before.

Others have supported this idea, but this is meeting strong resistance and I'm not sure there's any point.
Ainslie wrote:
Verdon wrote:Oh you mean that thing he does every week?

I meant to cater for this RP

He was the first to agree to this RP.

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Postby Ainslie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:05 am

Noronica wrote:
Ainslie wrote:I'm specifically referencing the Wake Islands here... I don't see much problem with that NPC for this. Overall, this seems to be a massive idea that might just be too big to pull off. I find it difficult to picture a scenario where this would in fact draw people into Argus. An 'evil', for the lack of a better word, government would not be an enticing factor for new players to enter into the area.

Also, this could be dropped onto the end of IW2 as an alternative that probably should happen.

Okay this is beginning to get a little muddled.

I originally wanted to make this RP as an Iraq-styled war that ended with the separation of territory to various sides. The RP would draw people in as it meant alliances could fight over their territories and conduct intel operations around other territories (much like East/West Germany). The government was an idea so that it would allow a reason for invasion. There could be other reasons for invasion.

I don't want it to connect with IW2 as; A. We have no idea when that ends and it is not looking to be ending any time soon, B. That would prioritise the alliances involved in IW2, while I wanted this to involve a lot of others.

The Wake Islands - that would be Polar's job then as I can't make an RP with someone else's territory, that isn't fair on them, and I want to create this RP with Van as I stated before.

Others have supported this idea, but this is meeting strong resistance and I'm not sure there's any point.
Ainslie wrote:I meant to cater for this RP

He was the first to agree to this RP.


I just think it needs to be scaled down a bit. That seems to be the major point of resistance. I'd rather it be built into an existing NPC though..

I can talk to Polar later about the wake islands and this if you'd like...
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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:11 am

Ainslie wrote:I just think it needs to be scaled down a bit. That seems to be the major point of resistance. I'd rather it be built into an existing NPC though..

I can talk to Polar later about the wake islands and this if you'd like...

Tell you what, I'll try and find prime candidates that are much smaller than the Argus one. If none of my ideas satisfy the majority, I'll accept your offer.

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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:24 am

Arthemesia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:
I'm in the process of sorting out all bold territories

Alright. I would like to formally ask for the South Islands and Andersite then.

Well, the thing is to not "ask" for a territory, but to do an RP in which this territory is taken by force/politics/cooperation and such. We don't usually assign bold territories to those who ask for them unless they bring something into it that would be of interest to the entire region (a specific RP plot, for example).

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:10 am

I'm very much liking Verdon's idea of an area slightly off map for this. It could be quite interesting involving a bit of the Southern-hemisphere.

Either way though I do need someone to contest me in the Wake Isles. It was much more fun when Cottoria was here and a flair up could happen at any time. I don't think they'd be big enough for what you want though Noronica.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:11 am

Arthemesia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:
I'm in the process of sorting out all bold territories

Alright. I would like to formally ask for the South Islands and Andersite then.

Why don't you hold your horses there for a minute as those are currently involved in IW2.
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Postby Verdon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:14 am

Noronica wrote:As in - not Hitler. I agree with what you said for the most part, I just don’t want to create someone ‘evil’. Hitler is something that I don’t think the region would want to have.

One of the only moments when I didn't mean "literally hitler"
Noronica wrote:By what I said, I mean that there will be separate sides trying to gain control of territory. They may be working together publicly, but everyone wants a bigger piece of the pie. Also, some may support the existing government and want to control the territory with the existing government.

To what end? Why is this place of such importance to the regional community? make sure you're thinking about that when you're crafting.
It sounds like you're more asking for a Syria, than a Korea. Okay, I think I understand the concept a little better.
Noronica wrote:Yet the map is never totally full, and this proposed RP would bring new players and old into this with it being a large international intervention.
If the map is ever totally full, it means we have to expand the map. I'd like to avoid having to do that.

Ainslie wrote:I meant to cater for this RP

I seriously think you're overestimating the effort. Besides that most likely either me or Ostehaar will be contacted to create a more detailed map.

Noronica wrote:I don't want it to connect with IW2 as; A. We have no idea when that ends and it is not looking to be ending any time soon, B. That would prioritise the alliances involved in IW2, while I wanted this to involve a lot of others.

Yes, besides the fact that it would have to be written in to IW2, which I believe would be unnecessary work on Mik and Co.

Noronica wrote:Others have supported this idea, but this is meeting strong resistance and I'm not sure there's any point.

This is a good idea. You shouldn't back down just because we're putting it through the wringer - this is an important part of RP planning, too.

Noronica wrote:Tell you what, I'll try and find prime candidates that are much smaller than the Argus one. If none of my ideas satisfy the majority, I'll accept your offer.

...I just want to make sure you guys are understanding each other. I think Ainslie is saying that the Wake Islands could be a territory of this npc. Not that the npc consists only of the Wake Islands. Ainslie please correct if wrong.

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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:40 am

Verdon wrote:One of the only moments when I didn't mean "literally hitler"

Heheh
Verdon wrote:To what end? Why is this place of such importance to the regional community? make sure you're thinking about that when you're crafting.
It sounds like you're more asking for a Syria, than a Korea. Okay, I think I understand the concept a little better.

Don't you worry, I have ideas for this. I agree with it being likened to Syria, but without Islamic influence. Islam in TWI had been proven to be a little silly at times and I am in no way qualified to even begin RP'ing it.
Verdon wrote:If the map is ever totally full, it means we have to expand the map. I'd like to avoid having to do that.

I suppose so, I'll try and find a smaller territory as I said to Ainslie and I'll ask Van about a separate land.
Verdon wrote:I seriously think you're overestimating the effort. Besides that most likely either me or Ostehaar will be contacted to create a more detailed map.

Eh, I was thinking about making one myself, my Noronnican one was a success, but I may ask you guys for one.
Verdon wrote:Yes, besides the fact that it would have to be written in to IW2, which I believe would be unnecessary work on Mik and Co.

I'm glad you agree, their RP is up to them.
Verdon wrote:This is a good idea. You shouldn't back down just because we're putting it through the wringer - this is an important part of RP planning, too.

Sorry 'bout that, I'm just moaning and groaning, I understand.
Verdon wrote:...I just want to make sure you guys are understanding each other. I think Ainslie is saying that the Wake Islands could be a territory of this npc. Not that the npc consists only of the Wake Islands. Ainslie please correct if wrong.

No, I think Ainslie means use the Wake Islands as the territory. He said so in his previous posts.
Polar Svalbard wrote:I'm very much liking Verdon's idea of an area slightly off map for this. It could be quite interesting involving a bit of the Southern-hemisphere.

Either way though I do need someone to contest me in the Wake Isles. It was much more fun when Cottoria was here and a flair up could happen at any time. I don't think they'd be big enough for what you want though Noronica.

Set up an RP for the Wake Isles, gather interest!

Also I'll take a look and see what the reaction is over an area slightly under the map, but I'm still more towards a nation inside the Isles.

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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:58 am

Here are the candidates so far:

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I also made this if we were to go down the south-of-map route:

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Postby Corindia » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:15 am

Noronica wrote:Here are the candidates so far:



I also made this if we were to go down the south-of-map route:


1, 2 and 3 are within easy striking distance

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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:18 am

Corindia wrote:
Noronica wrote:Here are the candidates so far:



I also made this if we were to go down the south-of-map route:


1, 2 and 3 are within easy striking distance

Aye. It gets the south involved rather than a Mesder or Argean focus.

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Postby Ostehaar » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:41 am

The best options in my opinion are 2 and 3, 2 being the best.

I think it must be an island and have no land borders, in order to contain the RP better, and to avoid a situation in which one side (the one invading through a land border) has a lot more to work with.

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:51 am

I still like the south of the border idea
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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:53 am

Ostehaar wrote:The best options in my opinion are 2 and 3, 2 being the best.

I think it must be an island and have no land borders, in order to contain the RP better, and to avoid a situation in which one side (the one invading through a land border) has a lot more to work with.

I'm inclined to agree, there are also separate islands to allow for an easier partition. It also allows us to use our navies as you mentioned.
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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:56 am

Polar Svalbard wrote:I still like the south of the border idea

Yeah, but that may spark a world argument with some members, and Van may be disinclined to have more RPable land outside the map.

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Postby Verdon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:58 am

Opinions:
1 and 7 are probably a bit too remote.
6 works if you want to incorporate Wake Islands, but that will very much be a MSTO conflict as they've got it surrounded. (that might just be my bias, tho)
If you go with 5, you could blame much of its instability on me; Verdon would have very much wanted to meddle/puppet/annex something that close in the 1900s-30s provided that you're looking for some flavor history
2 and 3 are prime locations and I think they'd work very well
4 could be interesting. If you could get NE on it, you could have her illegally occupying southern borderlands. The Xrevaro border would also be an easy backdoor into the area that many would exploit covertly. I'm sure he'd be on board for that.

Dang I still like that south-of-map one though.

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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:06 pm

Verdon wrote:Opinions:
1 and 7 are probably a bit too remote.
6 works if you want to incorporate Wake Islands, but that will very much be a MSTO conflict as they've got it surrounded. (that might just be my bias, tho)
If you go with 5, you could blame much of its instability on me; Verdon would have very much wanted to meddle/puppet/annex something that close in the 1900s-30s provided that you're looking for some flavor history
2 and 3 are prime locations and I think they'd work very well
4 could be interesting. If you could get NE on it, you could have her illegally occupying southern borderlands. The Xrevaro border would also be an easy backdoor into the area that many would exploit covertly. I'm sure he'd be on board for that.

Dang I still like that south-of-map one though.

I, along with you and Ostehaar like 2 and 3. With 5, that could work as Noronica would have sought it for its empire, so that could lead to historical tensions. However, it is too north I feel.

Getting NE and Xrev in on an RP would be great, but I think it could be too small and land borders could be easier to use for invasion as Ostehaar mentioned. It's also too north again.

I think I like 2 as it allows for division, it is also central enough for anyone in the region to take part.
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Postby Verdon » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:24 pm

Noronica wrote:I, along with you and Ostehaar like 2 and 3. With 5, that could work as Noronica would have sought it for its empire, so that could lead to historical tensions. However, it is too north I feel.

Getting NE and Xrev in on an RP would be great, but I think it could be too small and land borders could be easier to use for invasion as Ostehaar mentioned. It's also too north again.

I think I like 2 as it allows for division, it is also central enough for anyone in the region to take part.

If you go with 2, make sure you get that tiny island off the west side - I'm losing my mind looking at it outside the red border.

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Postby Noronica » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:29 pm

Verdon wrote:
Noronica wrote:I, along with you and Ostehaar like 2 and 3. With 5, that could work as Noronica would have sought it for its empire, so that could lead to historical tensions. However, it is too north I feel.

Getting NE and Xrev in on an RP would be great, but I think it could be too small and land borders could be easier to use for invasion as Ostehaar mentioned. It's also too north again.

I think I like 2 as it allows for division, it is also central enough for anyone in the region to take part.

If you go with 2, make sure you get that tiny island off the west side - I'm losing my mind looking at it outside the red border.

I'll make sure the border ends 1 pixel away from the tiny island...

Nah, if we go with 2 I'll ask Van to encompass it as well.

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