(OOC, TWI) Bold Territories - Progression

[Syrussia]

Polar could accuse those archaeological workers of spying .. perhaps Polar is using the island to hide something (unknown to Syrussia) .

[Verdon]

Polar could accuse those archaeological workers of spying .. perhaps Polar is using the island to hide something (unknown to Syrussia) .

Sure, but that's an argument in his favor, not yours. If he's hiding something, for it to matter, it needs to have been found out.

[Syrussia]

I'll wait and see what he thinks to the idea, perhaps we can find something sinister.

[Polar Svalbard]

What if Polar Svalbard landed forces on the island, capturing Syrussian archaeological workers trying to find evidence of a Syrussian claim to the island.

You could use that as a bit of propaganda to sway public opinion, but you're still running into the same problem: 'Claims' don't really justify war anymore. There's a saying that goes 'Possession is nine-tenths of the law', and since Polar currently occupies the island, this is what you have to beat. I think you should work a more human angle. Perhaps the ethnic majority in the territory is Syrussian. Perhaps the Svalbardians are using it for less pure purposes, like storing nuclear and chemical waste.

You need a couple of things to balance out 1. Polar currently owning the territory, 2. You being the aggressor, in order to create an even debate in the league.

I certainly like the idea of the ethnic majority being Syrussian and they being pretty much abused and not taken care of as Polar Svalbard uses the island for the most part as a military base and then that Polar Svalbard also stores a lot of waste from the days of testing chemical and nuclear weapons. We could say that many of the residents of the island are seeing the effects kinda like love canal.

Even though Syrussia would be the aggressor in the situation he can say that he's doing it for humanitarian reasons too while Polar Svalbard can say that they are just power hungry.

[Ter Natiour]

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[Syrussia]

You could use that as a bit of propaganda to sway public opinion, but you're still running into the same problem: 'Claims' don't really justify war anymore. There's a saying that goes 'Possession is nine-tenths of the law', and since Polar currently occupies the island, this is what you have to beat. I think you should work a more human angle. Perhaps the ethnic majority in the territory is Syrussian. Perhaps the Svalbardians are using it for less pure purposes, like storing nuclear and chemical waste.

You need a couple of things to balance out 1. Polar currently owning the territory, 2. You being the aggressor, in order to create an even debate in the league.

I certainly like the idea of the ethnic majority being Syrussian and they being pretty much abused and not taken care of as Polar Svalbard uses the island for the most part as a military base and then that Polar Svalbard also stores a lot of waste from the days of testing chemical and nuclear weapons. We could say that many of the residents of the island are seeing the effects kinda like love canal.

Even though Syrussia would be the aggressor in the situation he can say that he's doing it for humanitarian reasons too while Polar Svalbard can say that they are just power hungry.

I like this very much. Let's do it!

[Thuzbekistan]

I need to tag this.

[Taiouan]

Hi folks,

I have a plan for the Sawneeak Atoll.
The situation should be a little bit like the Spratly Island dispute in the South Chinese Sea and is meant to be open to everyone, who wants to get involved (as claimant or totally against any claims etc.). It is not meant to be the opener for some hot war scenario, as I do not have an interest in something like that. But some little tensions in the southern sea may be interesting:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1090850

I am open for any suggestions.

[Vancouvia]

Hi folks,

I have a plan for the Sawneeak Atoll.
The situation should be a little bit like the Spratly Island dispute in the South Chinese Sea and is meant to be open to everyone, who wants to get involved (as claimant or totally against any claims etc.). It is not meant to be the opener for some hot war scenario, as I do not have an interest in something like that. But some little tensions in the southern sea may be interesting:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1090850

I am open for any suggestions.

Looks like a good idea. Try to get other people involved

[Thuzbekistan]

Hi folks,

I have a plan for the Sawneeak Atoll.
The situation should be a little bit like the Spratly Island dispute in the South Chinese Sea and is meant to be open to everyone, who wants to get involved (as claimant or totally against any claims etc.). It is not meant to be the opener for some hot war scenario, as I do not have an interest in something like that. But some little tensions in the southern sea may be interesting:

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1090850

I am open for any suggestions.

As I said before, adding history would be great. Answer questions like when oil was discovered and how taiouan got a claim on the land. Then reach out to others. I'll definitely be involved in the history

[Taiouan]

Sure, thanks. I have Noronica added to the story yet. Masurbia will follow this evening. Everyone will have a little column in the dispatch of why they claim, so the dispatch will grow automatically. I am planning my first news topic on the forum around this topic as well.

[Negarakita]

I have an idea for an alt, which aims to make the league have to do something and provide a realistic crisis scenario which will mean we don't just get a one sided and boring conflict.

Its name is the Republic of Fonana, I have a conlang, flag and emblem ready for use. It will be an African nation, probably an ex-Dormill and Stiura colony because he has expressed interest. There are two major ethnic groups, with a few smaller ones, who lived in relative harmony before colonial divisons were imposed on their people. The nation will also be split bewteen christian, muslim and tribal minorities to make things nice and interesting.

The nation's government is not democratic but not full on authoritarian, with loads of corruption. They have some strategic alliances with some other nations, potentially Dorm for something like Francafrique or the western guys because he's killed off commies. The other ethnic group will do an uprising trying to ostensibly depose a dictator with all the human rights stuff. There is a civil war going on, both sides start ethnically based killing etc etc etc tia what's new. So the league needs to work out a way to stop the violence, where both sides have strategic benefits and people have other motives. A real UN style thing, instead of just "evil commies attack, whole international community says no, commies die" because that's boring and doesn't happen. This one will mean that diplomacy is essential in the league and any military stuff will be peacekeepers, allowing lots of people to take part without it becoming a clusterfuck of different sides joining in. Religious tensions will exist as well, so there will be huge tests on nations over whether they support their economic and strategic interests, religious things, democracy, all that kind of things.

An alt is needed because this would severely screw up a nation and most ppl don't want that kind of damage. The only !africanish nation is Menna and he has his own plans. I'd do it to a nation I ran but I'm negarakita and that won't work with neg, and I don't wanna screw people over again and change nations again.

This will stimulate regional rp because the league is open for all, instead of it being a vaguely closed rp or an equally unrealistic clusterfuck of loads of different sides. That said, both sides of the conflict will have internal divisions which mean people can do militia stuff and/or just send and rp peacekeepers

A new spot would probably be needed, as I don't think that most of them are large enough and San Javier, which it's closest to, is already established and I don't want to undermine that rp unless the people behind that are ok with it.

[Negarakita]

Just to clarify, by alt I mean Bold Territory. Started a wiki so that ppl can see where the project is going, I present to you the Republic of Oualindao

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1095661

[Orsandia]

Good Evening Folks,

Ainslie and I were talking about anti-piracy in the Western Isles, and ains suggested that McHenry's Port and its past history could be a basis for potential piracy in the Southern Sea/ Intl. Waters that threatens freedom of navigation and leaves ships potentially at risk to armed robbery and harm. I feel that if it can work IC'ly, that a potential piracy situation stemming from McHenry's Port can be a basis for the formation of a multinational naval task force (I.E - Operation Ocean Shield (NATO), Atalanta (EU) ) that works within this potential/presumable risk zone to protect freedom of maritime navigation, and to deter piracy from affecting commercial and civilian ships. Based on conversations with other nations, this idea is well regarded by several nations, and Ainslie put it quite well : " A win-win situation" in that participant nations can practice increased international/ inter-regional cooperation through anti-piracy operations, using the issue of piracy to usher forth cooperation between rivals united against a common foe, positive news and publicity coverage (IC), and letting respective navies blow pirate dinghies to smithereens.


Would McHenry's Port work for this idea ? (Early factbook very wip, OOC Thread TBA) I believe this would be a good bold territory to be at the center of a cooperative and interesting RP of sorts with a realistic aspect to it. Let me know what you think.

[Thuzbekistan]

My concern with piracy rps in general is that the pirates seem to pop up out of nowhere. There are very few pirate issues today for a reason: there are several, powerful, works wide navies from nations who depend on the security of the high seas. That is definitely still the case in TWI. In your history of this port, I would suggest writing up a realistic reason it wouldnt have been dealt with by now. Any story regarding pirates would be better served as a culmination of news reports by various nations about small scale attacks on shipping. The best way to deal with this would probably be via the league, but ultimately it all depends on how you present the history of these pirates.

[Vancouvia]

My concern with piracy rps in general is that the pirates seem to pop up out of nowhere. There are very few pirate issues today for a reason: there are several, powerful, works wide navies from nations who depend on the security of the high seas. That is definitely still the case in TWI. In your history of this port, I would suggest writing up a realistic reason it wouldnt have been dealt with by now. Any story regarding pirates would be better served as a culmination of news reports by various nations about small scale attacks on shipping. The best way to deal with this would probably be via the league, but ultimately it all depends on how you present the history of these pirates.

Yes, pirates are usually still dependent on a state i.e. Somalia

[Thuzbekistan]

Hello All! I present the very beginnings of the Isle of Althoria!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1145775

The island is meant to be a center of Intrigue politics in TWI as a nationalist sentiment gains in the population after Thuzbekistan, seeking to grab every penny it can in these hard times, begin to try and socialize the Autonomous Territory of Althoria, which has acted as a forward resupply base for most of its Thuzbek History. The Althorians, who wish to call themselves the Democratic Republic of Althoria, will be ruled by a governor and a vice governor, who are elected directly by the people and approved by the Parliament. Althoria will have been a small trading post for most of it's overall history with the Capital city of Celbrim and its port being the most powerful entity on the island.

For now, I am writing the history for the island and am looking for anyone to get involved in it. You can see an idea of what I have for the island in this RMB post: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33853057

I am hoping that we can build this island together and then try and take control of it once the parties in question are defined Nations may attempt to secure its independence or try to make it a protectorate, but no matter what, they will be having to try and take it without war from Thuzbekistan, which has been nurturing a socialistic faction on the island for some time.

While I don't want to actually submit this for addition to the map until it's fully built, I don't doubt that this will be a good addition to the NPC assets and provide a bit of Mediterranean culture to the West VS East dichotomy that we usually have here.

[Roendavar]

Hello All! I present the very beginnings of the Isle of Althoria!

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1145775

The island is meant to be a center of Intrigue politics in TWI as a nationalist sentiment gains in the population after Thuzbekistan, seeking to grab every penny it can in these hard times, begin to try and socialize the Autonomous Territory of Althoria, which has acted as a forward resupply base for most of its Thuzbek History. The Althorians, who wish to call themselves the Democratic Republic of Althoria, will be ruled by a governor and a vice governor, who are elected directly by the people and approved by the Parliament. Althoria will have been a small trading post for most of it's overall history with the Capital city of Celbrim and its port being the most powerful entity on the island.

For now, I am writing the history for the island and am looking for anyone to get involved in it. You can see an idea of what I have for the island in this RMB post: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33853057

I am hoping that we can build this island together and then try and take control of it once the parties in question are defined Nations may attempt to secure its independence or try to make it a protectorate, but no matter what, they will be having to try and take it without war from Thuzbekistan, which has been nurturing a socialistic faction on the island for some time.

While I don't want to actually submit this for addition to the map until it's fully built, I don't doubt that this will be a good addition to the NPC assets and provide a bit of Mediterranean culture to the West VS East dichotomy that we usually have here.

Corrections:

Etymology
-The island was named Althoria after the Protacist God of Balance and Equality, Althoros. It would be settled by Ariethosi explorers escaping the Passareebu-Thesara Alliance War of 156 B.C.E.. The name, and the city state of Althoria, would be recognized by Avernos the Great, Emperor of the Empire of Corinthus on 23 A.D..

History
-Althoria was originally occupied by Ariethosi explorers who fled the Davari City States and the Thesara Alliance in 156 B.C.E.. After the Antriacusiera, or the Thesara War, ended in 23 A.D., the island was placed under the Empire of Corinthus' control under the leadership of Avernos the Great. However, the island was mainly left alone due to its distance from the capital of the Empire, Ariethos, and was allowed to thrive in the Southern Sea. After the empire's collapse after the death of the ninth Emperor Promethus Anvosari in 518 A.D., the city state would be forgotten by the Davari.

It was only during the rise of the Empire of Daciara in 1236 would the Isle of Althoria, with the city of Celbrim, be put back under Roendavarian control. Second Emperor Alenai Erik Formare Darius heard of the riches and strategic importance of the old Ariethosi island and invaded it in 1302. It became the Empire's main trading city and port in the Southern Sea.

In 1592, the Sunflower War erupted in the Empire of Daciara, plunging the once rich Empire into civil war. States soon declared themselves independent, and following the footsteps of the Daciaran mainlanders, the Isle of Althoria would gain independence in 1592. It was left untouched by the civil war due to fierce fighting and was left to its own devices during the Roendavarian Four States Period.

Additional Stuff
-The Erindiae Name for the Isle of Althoria would be Somarathos Althoria. The Erindiae Name for the Republic of Althoria, in case that name would be used, would be Republiconthos Althoria.
-An Erindiae translation of the Isle's motto "Peace in God; Justice in Tradition, Security in Unity" would be "Ranaur fes Die; Althoronau oth redenecson, ranerus oth yracirei"

[Brulafi]

Hey, so I'm not sure if Preselima has a use, but based on chatting with Athara Magarat, I'd like to turn it into a faux-Cantonese-style city-state. (I accidentally jumped the gun and made a puppet nation already before realizing I had to publish an application, so I apologize about that.) The plan for Preselima is that it sits upon an oil deposit in the middle of the Mesder, to be discovered sometime in the early-to-mid 20th century after it gains independence from a colonial power to be determined. Preselima would get its name as an exonym from its colonizers, who would use it mostly as a slave plantation colony and a trading post. These slaves would then rise up Haiti-style and overthrow their colonizers, but mostly be stuck economically until oil is struck and the country becomes rich (but not without lots of international political intrigue, which would certainly make for some fun wars and other events to add to other people's histories). Today, Preselima would function as a Macau or Hong Kong-like state with lots of oil, meaning lots of powers want to court the country to become an ally. Of course, if this gets past the primary approval stage, I'll be happy to write out the history of Preselima and all of that in detail on demand.

[Vancouvia]

Hey, so I'm not sure if Preselima has a use, but based on chatting with Athara Magarat, I'd like to turn it into a faux-Cantonese-style city-state. (I accidentally jumped the gun and made a puppet nation already before realizing I had to publish an application, so I apologize about that.) The plan for Preselima is that it sits upon an oil deposit in the middle of the Mesder, to be discovered sometime in the early-to-mid 20th century after it gains independence from a colonial power to be determined. Preselima would get its name as an exonym from its colonizers, who would use it mostly as a slave plantation colony and a trading post. These slaves would then rise up Haiti-style and overthrow their colonizers, but mostly be stuck economically until oil is struck and the country becomes rich (but not without lots of international political intrigue, which would certainly make for some fun wars and other events to add to other people's histories). Today, Preselima would function as a Macau or Hong Kong-like state with lots of oil, meaning lots of powers want to court the country to become an ally. Of course, if this gets past the primary approval stage, I'll be happy to write out the history of Preselima and all of that in detail on demand.

I don't know if other countries wanting to court them for oil is enough of a plot but I think you're on the right track

[Brulafi]

Hey, so I'm not sure if Preselima has a use, but based on chatting with Athara Magarat, I'd like to turn it into a faux-Cantonese-style city-state. (I accidentally jumped the gun and made a puppet nation already before realizing I had to publish an application, so I apologize about that.) The plan for Preselima is that it sits upon an oil deposit in the middle of the Mesder, to be discovered sometime in the early-to-mid 20th century after it gains independence from a colonial power to be determined. Preselima would get its name as an exonym from its colonizers, who would use it mostly as a slave plantation colony and a trading post. These slaves would then rise up Haiti-style and overthrow their colonizers, but mostly be stuck economically until oil is struck and the country becomes rich (but not without lots of international political intrigue, which would certainly make for some fun wars and other events to add to other people's histories). Today, Preselima would function as a Macau or Hong Kong-like state with lots of oil, meaning lots of powers want to court the country to become an ally. Of course, if this gets past the primary approval stage, I'll be happy to write out the history of Preselima and all of that in detail on demand.

I don't know if other countries wanting to court them for oil is enough of a plot but I think you're on the right track

To develop this plot line with some help from Ainslie's ideas: The courting and warring business has gone on for a while, but in the late '90s, the country begins to run out of oil and falls into a deep recession and lawlessness abounds. Then, recently, new oil deposits are found and it's like the Wild West with a huge number of governments and oil companies competing in trying to get drilling contracts. It'd be like a mix between the Old West and 1930s Shanghai, and it'd give any nation that's rather new to RP a chance to jump into something semi-ongoing and slap together a good character post to get practice.

[Vancouvia]

I don't know if other countries wanting to court them for oil is enough of a plot but I think you're on the right track

To develop this plot line: The courting and warring business has gone on for a while, but in the late '90s, the country begins to run out of oil and falls into a deep recession and lawlessness abounds. Then, recently, new oil deposits are found and it's like the Wild West with a huge number of governments and oil companies competing in trying to get drilling contracts. It'd be like a mix between the Old West and 1930s Shanghai, and it'd give any nation that's rather new to RP a chance to jump into something semi-ongoing and slap together a good character post to get practice.

But oil is already fairly common in the Isles (we have to assume the market is stable for this, especially since we were OK during this drought) so I don't know if this new oil is enough of a catalyst for plot

[Brulafi]

To develop this plot line: The courting and warring business has gone on for a while, but in the late '90s, the country begins to run out of oil and falls into a deep recession and lawlessness abounds. Then, recently, new oil deposits are found and it's like the Wild West with a huge number of governments and oil companies competing in trying to get drilling contracts. It'd be like a mix between the Old West and 1930s Shanghai, and it'd give any nation that's rather new to RP a chance to jump into something semi-ongoing and slap together a good character post to get practice.

But oil is already fairly common in the Isles (we have to assume the market is stable for this, especially since we were OK during this drought) so I don't know if this new oil is enough of a catalyst for plot

I mean, see it like Nigeria, I guess. Even though we've got oil in the real world, too, any new occasion to grab up some oil is gonna spark some competition, especially from companies who want a new source of oil to drill from.

I mean, heck, this probably ain't a good example, but out where I live there's been a very minor oil boom that's caused the area to boom in a huge way. Any brand-new oil discovery is bound to spark some sort of rush, even in somewhere like Alaska.

[Athara Magarat]

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=ath ... id=1221134

I would love to expand on these ideas further and and get as many nation as possible involved.

[Ainslie]

Oi so I've been thinking of creating a backstory for McHenry's Port and then leaving it to see how it integrates with canon and I came up with this: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1237041

Lemme know if you've got any ideas about it - Van, perhaps this is what we could have for that bolded territory?