The Western Isles Climate Change Summit 2017 (IC|TWI ONLY)

[Tectonix]

"It is not reasonable to purposefully wait to do something that could be done right now. An immediate ban on CFC's and HCFC's should be implemented. In addition, a complete ban on fossil fuels by 2030 must be implemented, as not doing so will endanger the environment even more than it already is. According to current estimates, sea levels will rise by half a meter by 2050 if such measures are not taken! I am not sure about the nations that the rest of you represent, but the URL has most of its population along the coasts, which will be greatly affected by such rise in sea level."

Valdr Maxwell scoffed loudly. "Oh, enough with the hum-bug, URL delegate. This summit has made it quite clear that any form of ban on fossil fuels will not be tolerated, and I see no reason trying to push that agenda on us any further."

"Now, to the other delegations at this summit, Tectonix is committed on a ban on CFCs and HCFCs, with a clause that would allow for a twelve-year phasing out period for countries with abnormally high levels of those chemicals present in their economy. As a proposal, we would be willing to participate in an agreement that would increase government subsidies for renewable energy development companies, so as to have them able to compete with Big Oil and other such gargantuan entities."

[Verdon]

"It is not reasonable to purposefully wait to do something that could be done right now. An immediate ban on CFC's and HCFC's should be implemented."

"While I agree that the best solution is an immediate one, it is not always possible." replied Bernat de Aro. "Adopting a phase-out schedule allows adequate time for adaptation and retrofitting without taking a system offline, where an immediate ban would render that system unusable until the new technology can be implemented, thus hampering productivity."

"Now, it seems as though we're moving on to the topic of energy. I would be glad to hear if Mr. Maxwell- and others- has anything particular to say about the subject he's brought up; renewable energy subsidies."

[Tectonix]

"In response to the delegation of Verdon, renewable energy subsidies are absolutely needed so as to begin diminishing the prevalence of fossil fuels from the economy while simultaneously replacing it with the aforementioned renewable energy. Countries always act so shocked whenever their private, renewable energy companies fail. Is it really such a quandary? What startup could ever compete against the oil and coal behemoths, lining their pockets daily to the tune of six figures or more and usually having a hand in politics? We must give these companies, at the bare minimum, a chance to compete, and chip away at the nation's fossil fuel usage while at the same time not hurting workers that something like, oh I don't know, a ban on fossil fuels would. I stand resolute behind this proposal, and hope that other countries do to."

[United Republican Lands]

"It is not reasonable to purposefully wait to do something that could be done right now. An immediate ban on CFC's and HCFC's should be implemented."

"While I agree that the best solution is an immediate one, it is not always possible." replied Bernat de Aro. "Adopting a phase-out schedule allows adequate time for adaptation and retrofitting without taking a system offline, where an immediate ban would render that system unusable until the new technology can be implemented, thus hampering productivity."

"Now, it seems as though we're moving on to the topic of energy. I would be glad to hear if Mr. Maxwell- and others- has anything particular to say about the subject he's brought up; renewable energy subsidies."

"CFC's and HCFC's are used in refrigerants, blowing agents, propellants in medicinal applications, and degreasing solvents. I know for a fact that there are many cheaper and more environmentally friendly alternatives to CFC's and HCFC's already available. As for concerns that banning fossil fuel use past 2030 being bad for the economy.....You are all aware that oil is used in more ways than just fuel. What is lost in terms of fuel production could easily be made back up by other oil and petroleum products. Efficient electric vehicles are already out on the market, so transitioning into electric cars, trains, ect., would not take much time or effort and should easily be completed by the year 2030. As for aircraft and ships, biofuels, such as bioethanol, are already proven alternatives to traditional fuels."

[Verdon]

"CFC's and HCFC's are used in refrigerants, blowing agents, propellants in medicinal applications, and degreasing solvents. I know for a fact that there are many cheaper and more environmentally friendly alternatives to CFC's and HCFC's already available. As for concerns that banning fossil fuel use past 2030 being bad for the economy.....You are all aware that oil is used in more ways than just fuel. What is lost in terms of fuel production could easily be made back up by other oil and petroleum products. Efficient electric vehicles are already out on the market, so transitioning into electric cars, trains, ect., would not take much time or effort and should easily be completed by the year 2030. As for aircraft and ships, biofuels, such as bioethanol, are already proven alternatives to traditional fuels."

"Indeed there are current alternatives to CFCs, HCFCs, and even HFCs, but you're ignoring the fact that not all of these alternatives are drop-in substitutes. Different refrigerants will have different operating pressures and may require complete infrastructure re-hauls. They may not offer the same cooling efficiency and thus be inadequate for their application. It's not as simple as switching out the chemicals." Bernat paused before continuing to the second topic.

"Mr. Venison, how are you defining fossil fuels? From the way you're speaking, it seems there may be some misunderstanding between us."

[United Republican Lands]

"CFC's and HCFC's are used in refrigerants, blowing agents, propellants in medicinal applications, and degreasing solvents. I know for a fact that there are many cheaper and more environmentally friendly alternatives to CFC's and HCFC's already available. As for concerns that banning fossil fuel use past 2030 being bad for the economy.....You are all aware that oil is used in more ways than just fuel. What is lost in terms of fuel production could easily be made back up by other oil and petroleum products. Efficient electric vehicles are already out on the market, so transitioning into electric cars, trains, ect., would not take much time or effort and should easily be completed by the year 2030. As for aircraft and ships, biofuels, such as bioethanol, are already proven alternatives to traditional fuels."

"Indeed there are current alternatives to CFCs, HCFCs, and even HFCs, but you're ignoring the fact that not all of these alternatives are drop-in substitutes. Different refrigerants will have different operating pressures and may require complete infrastructure re-hauls. They may not offer the same cooling efficiency and thus be inadequate for their application. It's not as simple as switching out the chemicals." Bernat paused before continuing to the second topic.

"Mr. Venison, how are you defining fossil fuels? From the way you're speaking, it seems there may be some misunderstanding between us."

"I define fossil fuels as 'a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.' There are many alternatives to fossil fuels, for example, there are biofuels, such as bioethanol, biomass, ect., there are also other chemical fuels that could be used."

[Ainslie]

"In response to the delegates from URL, Verdon and Tectonix, we would like to highlight that some nations who are in this summit may not have the economic stability, or financial means, to undertake in all these changes and bans that you have been planning. We are in agreement that HFCs, CFCs and HCFCs should be banned. I propose that nations who wish to impose this ban set up a fund to aid nations which may not be able to do it economically. We also suggest that a seperate fund should be set up for the nationwide research, application and development of renewable energy sources and sustainable practices". Whitford then looks back at his Federal Corporal and rolls his eyes and whispers to him "Betcha this'll never happen, I turned up and all we seem to be talking about are refrigerators and agriculture".

He turns back around and states, "I think the majority, if not the whole of attendees to this summit will agree on HFC, CFC and HCFC bans, it is just the time period that we will need to negotiate. Also, It would be an advancement to this summit if certain delegates would be realistic in their demands so we can move forward."

Whitford takes a deep breathe and looks back at the document sitting in front of him. It is a book called "How to deal with foreign relations for dummies". He turns back around to the FedCor and the FedCor nods his head a bit.

[Verdon]

"I define fossil fuels as 'a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.' There are many alternatives to fossil fuels, for example, there are biofuels, such as bioethanol, biomass, ect., there are also other chemical fuels that could be used."

"Then your ban on fossil fuels would include oil as well. If oil is banned from use, how do you suppose we go about making plastics or tires. What about paints and ink? Are you proposing that all oil-derived products be replaced with alternatives? How would you implement such a massive shift in production and marketing?"

[United Republican Lands]

"I define fossil fuels as 'a natural fuel such as coal or gas, formed in the geological past from the remains of living organisms.' There are many alternatives to fossil fuels, for example, there are biofuels, such as bioethanol, biomass, ect., there are also other chemical fuels that could be used."

"Then your ban on fossil fuels would include oil as well. If oil is banned from use, how do you suppose we go about making plastics or tires. What about paints and ink? Are you proposing that all oil-derived products be replaced with alternatives? How would you implement such a massive shift in production and marketing?"

"Fossil fuels, refers to fuel, not products. If you have a product made from oil, that does not classify as 'fuel'. If you do not want to make changes to improve the environment, then why even show up at a summit that has that purpose?"

[Ainslie]

"Then your ban on fossil fuels would include oil as well. If oil is banned from use, how do you suppose we go about making plastics or tires. What about paints and ink? Are you proposing that all oil-derived products be replaced with alternatives? How would you implement such a massive shift in production and marketing?"

"Fossil fuels, refers to fuel, not products. If you have a product made from oil, that does not classify as 'fuel'. If you do not want to make changes to improve the environment, then why even show up at a summit that has that purpose?"

"We would like to notify the delegate from URL that oil is a fuel, and thus the production of oil derived products would be limited or banned. We also suggest that this delegate note that if you aren't willing to compromise, moderate and negotiate on this, then why even show up at a summit which has that purpose?"

[United Republican Lands]

"Fossil fuels, refers to fuel, not products. If you have a product made from oil, that does not classify as 'fuel'. If you do not want to make changes to improve the environment, then why even show up at a summit that has that purpose?"

"We would like to notify the delegate from URL that oil is a fuel, and thus the production of oil derived products would be limited or banned. We also suggest that this delegate note that if you aren't willing to compromise, moderate and negotiate on this, then why even show up at a summit which has that purpose?"

"And I would like to remind the delegate from Ainslie that if something is not used as a fuel, then it is not able to be classified as a fuel. Until the oil is refined into fuel-grade petroleum, it is not a fuel. A fuel is only a fuel if it is used as such. There is a major difference between unleaded gasoline and oil-based paints. One of them you use in your car, the other you do not.....or are you calling paint a fuel, now?"

[Ainslie]

"We would like to notify the delegate from URL that oil is a fuel, and thus the production of oil derived products would be limited or banned. We also suggest that this delegate note that if you aren't willing to compromise, moderate and negotiate on this, then why even show up at a summit which has that purpose?"

"And I would like to remind the delegate from Ainslie that if something is not used as a fuel, then it is not able to be classified as a fuel. Until the oil is refined into fuel-grade petroleum, it is not a fuel. A fuel is only a fuel if it is used as such. There is a major difference between unleaded gasoline and oil-based paints. One of them you use in your car, the other you do not.....or are you calling paint a fuel, now?"

"Ainslie recognises this, but the latter part of our previous response still applies".

[Corindia]

"We would like to notify the delegate from URL that oil is a fuel, and thus the production of oil derived products would be limited or banned. We also suggest that this delegate note that if you aren't willing to compromise, moderate and negotiate on this, then why even show up at a summit which has that purpose?"

"And I would like to remind the delegate from Ainslie that if something is not used as a fuel, then it is not able to be classified as a fuel. Until the oil is refined into fuel-grade petroleum, it is not a fuel. A fuel is only a fuel if it is used as such. There is a major difference between unleaded gasoline and oil-based paints. One of them you use in your car, the other you do not.....or are you calling paint a fuel, now?"

"With all due respect, I believe you might be misunderstanding the honorable Ahnslen delegate's point. And I'm surprised by your simultaneous touting of bio-fuels and a complete halt to habitat destruction."

[United Republican Lands]

"And I would like to remind the delegate from Ainslie that if something is not used as a fuel, then it is not able to be classified as a fuel. Until the oil is refined into fuel-grade petroleum, it is not a fuel. A fuel is only a fuel if it is used as such. There is a major difference between unleaded gasoline and oil-based paints. One of them you use in your car, the other you do not.....or are you calling paint a fuel, now?"

"With all due respect, I believe you might be misunderstanding the honorable Ahnslen delegate's point. And I'm surprised by your simultaneous touting of bio-fuels and a complete halt to habitat destruction."

"Hmm..............Ah, I see what you mean.....Perhaps instead of a ban on habitat destruction, the mandated establishing of nature preserves and national parks would work."

[Ainslie]

"With all due respect, I believe you might be misunderstanding the honorable Ahnslen delegate's point. And I'm surprised by your simultaneous touting of bio-fuels and a complete halt to habitat destruction."

the mandated establishing of nature preserves and national parks would work."

"Ainslie believes that the intervention of an international authority regarding land zoning and designations is the wrong approach to this. This would be a direct intervention which would challenge the sovereignty of nations. However, what might work better, is an incentive for governments to designate national parks and preserves."

[Tectonix]

"In response to the delegates from URL, Verdon and Tectonix, we would like to highlight that some nations who are in this summit may not have the economic stability, or financial means, to undertake in all these changes and bans that you have been planning. We are in agreement that HFCs, CFCs and HCFCs should be banned. I propose that nations who wish to impose this ban set up a fund to aid nations which may not be able to do it economically. We also suggest that a seperate fund should be set up for the nationwide research, application and development of renewable energy sources and sustainable practices". Whitford then looks back at his Federal Corporal and rolls his eyes and whispers to him "Betcha this'll never happen, I turned up and all we seem to be talking about are refrigerators and agriculture".

He turns back around and states, "I think the majority, if not the whole of attendees to this summit will agree on HFC, CFC and HCFC bans, it is just the time period that we will need to negotiate. Also, It would be an advancement to this summit if certain delegates would be realistic in their demands so we can move forward."

Whitford takes a deep breathe and looks back at the document sitting in front of him. It is a book called "How to deal with foreign relations for dummies". He turns back around to the FedCor and the FedCor nods his head a bit.

"Subsidies are always congruent to the amount of funds a government has at its disposal. Obviously the amount of money our Congress can allocate is not the same as some small country could. But, the amount of subsidized money is not in a fixed monetary amount, rather a progressive percentage bracket system for nations that can allocate more and nations that can only allocate so much. If Ainslie can only subsidize 12.5% of the total amount of money their government is willing to give out in the form of subsidies, then they can do that. Tectonix may also be willing to subsidize that percentage, but let's say the amount of money the government has is higher, the percentage represents a larger amount of money than the Ainslie percentage."

"That may sound ridiculously complex, but I am only trying to say that country's need only allocate as much as they are able to. If more money is needed, I'm certain an international fund could be established to make up the difference."

[Verdon]

"Fossil fuels, refers to fuel, not products. If you have a product made from oil, that does not classify as 'fuel'. If you do not want to make changes to improve the environment, then why even show up at a summit that has that purpose?"

"Ah, there is the heart of the misunderstanding. Verdon classifies a fossil fuel as combustible geologic organic materials, regardless of refinement and end-product. It is obvious to me now, Mr. Venison, that you intend to ban fossil fuels as a energy source, rather than a raw material. This goal, while still challenging, is much more practical."

Bernat de Aro continued, "and I would welcome discussion on what kind of phase out schedule, nations would want to see. I suggest that goals should be quantified by percentage of total power supplied by fossil fuel-burning plants."

"Subsidies are always congruent to the amount of funds a government has at its disposal. Obviously the amount of money our Congress can allocate is not the same as some small country could. But, the amount of subsidized money is not in a fixed monetary amount, rather a progressive percentage bracket system for nations that can allocate more and nations that can only allocate so much."

"An excellent point, Mr. Maxwell. I would follow this with perhaps two or three different contribution levels."

[Athara Magarat]

"Subsidies are always congruent to the amount of funds a government has at its disposal. Obviously the amount of money our Congress can allocate is not the same as some small country could. But, the amount of subsidized money is not in a fixed monetary amount, rather a progressive percentage bracket system for nations that can allocate more and nations that can only allocate so much. If Ainslie can only subsidize 12.5% of the total amount of money their government is willing to give out in the form of subsidies, then they can do that. Tectonix may also be willing to subsidize that percentage, but let's say the amount of money the government has is higher, the percentage represents a larger amount of money than the Ainslie percentage."

"That may sound ridiculously complex, but I am only trying to say that country's need only allocate as much as they are able to. If more money is needed, I'm certain an international fund could be established to make up the difference."

"With your final statement we agree. Nations need to allocate as much as they can and if more budget is required, the money should come from international funding." Minister Sinjali nodded while his translator worked on what he was saying.

[Tectonix]

"Subsidies are always congruent to the amount of funds a government has at its disposal. Obviously the amount of money our Congress can allocate is not the same as some small country could. But, the amount of subsidized money is not in a fixed monetary amount, rather a progressive percentage bracket system for nations that can allocate more and nations that can only allocate so much. If Ainslie can only subsidize 12.5% of the total amount of money their government is willing to give out in the form of subsidies, then they can do that. Tectonix may also be willing to subsidize that percentage, but let's say the amount of money the government has is higher, the percentage represents a larger amount of money than the Ainslie percentage."

"That may sound ridiculously complex, but I am only trying to say that country's need only allocate as much as they are able to. If more money is needed, I'm certain an international fund could be established to make up the difference."

"With your final statement we agree. Nations need to allocate as much as they can and if more budget is required, the money should come from international funding." Minister Sinjali nodded while his translator worked on what he was saying.

"Wonderful, Mr. Sinjali. Now, to further elaborate on my point, the subsidies portion is fine. When it comes to international funding, however, Tectonix proposes an International Climate Change Funding Committee, or ICCFC, to oversee the appropriation of funds and assure that mismanagement does not occur. It will be comprised by delegates of all countries in this summit, with a small subcommittee dedicated to enforcing the rulings of the Committee and making press releases for the Committee. Any other technicalities can be sorted out at a later date."

[Ainslie]

"With your final statement we agree. Nations need to allocate as much as they can and if more budget is required, the money should come from international funding." Minister Sinjali nodded while his translator worked on what he was saying.

"Wonderful, Mr. Sinjali. Now, to further elaborate on my point, the subsidies portion is fine. When it comes to international funding, however, Tectonix proposes an International Climate Change Funding Committee, or ICCFC, to oversee the appropriation of funds and assure that mismanagement does not occur. It will be comprised by delegates of all countries in this summit, with a small subcommittee dedicated to enforcing the rulings of the Committee and making press releases for the Committee. Any other technicalities can be sorted out at a later date."

We agree with the delegate from Tectonix.

[Athara Magarat]

"Wonderful, Mr. Sinjali. Now, to further elaborate on my point, the subsidies portion is fine. When it comes to international funding, however, Tectonix proposes an International Climate Change Funding Committee, or ICCFC, to oversee the appropriation of funds and assure that mismanagement does not occur. It will be comprised by delegates of all countries in this summit, with a small subcommittee dedicated to enforcing the rulings of the Committee and making press releases for the Committee. Any other technicalities can be sorted out at a later date."

"Athara Magarat assures that the nation will fully support any idea or resolution that will ensure that all nations are treated equally but all nations also have to contribute their fair share in protecting our blue planet. Although it might not be the voting time right now, we are in full support of the ICCFC."

The Athara Magarati Minister for Environment turned to the delegations from other nations. "Shall we vote for the formation of the ICCFC or should we move ahead with more discussion on a range of issues that I am sure we all have to share and discuss?"

[Tectonix]

"Wonderful, Mr. Sinjali. Now, to further elaborate on my point, the subsidies portion is fine. When it comes to international funding, however, Tectonix proposes an International Climate Change Funding Committee, or ICCFC, to oversee the appropriation of funds and assure that mismanagement does not occur. It will be comprised by delegates of all countries in this summit, with a small subcommittee dedicated to enforcing the rulings of the Committee and making press releases for the Committee. Any other technicalities can be sorted out at a later date."

"Athara Magarat assures that the nation will fully support any idea or resolution that will ensure that all nations are treated equally but all nations also have to contribute their fair share in protecting our blue planet. Although it might not be the voting time right now, we are in full support of the ICCFC."

The Athara Magarati Minister for Environment turned to the delegations from other nations. "Shall we vote for the formation of the ICCFC or should we move ahead with more discussion on a range of issues that I am sure we all have to share and discuss?"

"Tectonix supports the motion to call the previous question, and, congruent to the formal rules of Tectonixian congressional procedure, does second the motion."

[Ainslie]

"Ainslie supports the creation of the ICCFC, so therefore we support this motion"

[Verdon]

"If I may, gentlemen, I do not think a vote will be necessary. Even then, there is no documentation for the ICCFC prepared, so you're motioning for the approval of an idea."

"I would suggest a return to debating the merits of other ideas. We have addressed ozone-depleting compounds and alternative energy funding. Is this all we want to address? Earlier on there was much interest in reducing carbon emissions, perhaps that would be a place to start."

[Tectonix]

"The delegation of Verdon is reminded that we are, in all essence, discussing and voting on ideas. 'Motioning for the approval of an idea' is exactly what we should be doing, so as to clear the way for the proper charter and documentations."

"As for reducing carbon emissions, Tectonix would like to know the opinions of other nations when it comes to a set cap on overall emissions."