Council of the International Freedom Coalition (IFC ONLY)

[Inyourfaceistan]

"In short because such an RRF is not only functionally impossible, militarily incapable, and a logistical nightmare - not to mention any opponent with an ounce of competence could easily obliterate the damn thing in one or two well-played military maneuvers.

It drains an unacceptable amount of money, ties down an unacceptable number of member's resources, and won't even win in a fight against a moderately capable enemy."

[Adriatican]

"In short because such an RRF is not only functionally impossible, militarily incapable, and a logistical nightmare - not to mention any opponent with an ounce of competence could easily obliterate the damn thing in one or two well-played military maneuvers.

It drains an unacceptable amount of money, ties down an unacceptable number of member's resources, and won't even win in a fight against a moderately capable enemy."

"Supposition against which you have no proof."

Rothschild begins to address the entire Chamber

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the Council, it is clear to me; as I believe it must be to you, that the R.R.F, the key pillar on which this Coalition is made, was done away with for the sake of legislative effective. Whilst criticism of the organization can be rightly received, I believe this body too hastily ejected the baby with our proverbial bath water."

[Inyourfaceistan]

"No proof? Proof of what? Proof every soldier on loan is a mouth to feed? Proof that every vehicle tied up cannot be deployed elsewhere? Proof that such an establishment needs a place to base itself? Proof that mixing soldiers with different skills, weapons with different ammo, vehicles with different parts and tacticians with different doctrines is insane?

Proof such an establishment is a horrific waste of money and drain on resources for such a limited and ineffective outcome?

Proof an opponent as skilled as the Riysians or Nijonese could wipe it out in one strike?

Proof any multinational forced tied down and bound by a legislative body is inherently slower and less efficient than direct action by member states?

Proof it's more effective on so many levels to self-deploy rather than waste resources on a bloated, mismatched and flat-footed false sense of security?!?

What "proof" could you possibly expect?"

[Adriatican]

"No proof? Proof of what? Proof every soldier on loan is a mouth to feed? Proof that every vehicle tied up cannot be deployed elsewhere? Proof that such an establishment needs a place to base itself? Proof that mixing soldiers with different skills, weapons with different ammo, vehicles with different parts and tacticians with different doctrines is insane?

Proof such an establishment is a horrific waste of money and drain on resources for such a limited and ineffective outcome?

Proof an opponent as skilled as the Riysians or Nijonese could wipe it out in one strike?

Proof any multinational forced tied down and bound by a legislative body is inherently slower and less efficient than direct action by member states?

Proof it's more effective on so many levels to self-deploy rather than waste resources on a bloated, mismatched and flat-footed false sense of security?!?

What "proof" could you possibly expect?"

"Proof of all of those things, yes Ambassador. For, as of now, all we have is your word that those things are even remotely likely. I would also like to reiterate that while I stated I wanted the R.R.F reinstated, I specified that I requested such with required improvements. So, essentially your complaints regarding the R.R.F you fallaciously abolished are not applicable to my current request of this Council, as the R.R.F I'm requesting be reinstated, will not in reality be the one you abolished once it is brought back to operational quality."

[Inyourfaceistan]

Armando quietly got up and left the chamber for a bit. He couldn't even handle being in the same room as the woman who clearly didn't have the slightest clue what she was talking about; and it was quite surprising to him that anyone else in the room with a basic understanding of military structure and logistics wasn't dying of brain cancer at the sheer stupidity of even the thought of the RRF being revived.

"So what you are asking me for is proof that logistics are a thing that exist, yes?" Ambassador de Vertrún asked, calmly and casually.
"More important what you must realize is the issues previously outlined do not apply to just the previous incarnation of the RRF but the idea of such a multinational mixed-composition force bound by legislature in general, correct?"

[Adriatican]

Armando quietly got up and left the chamber for a bit. He couldn't even handle being in the same room as the woman who clearly didn't have the slightest clue what she was talking about; and it was quite surprising to him that anyone else in the room with a basic understanding of military structure and logistics wasn't dying of brain cancer at the sheer stupidity of even the thought of the RRF being revived.

"So what you are asking me for is proof that logistics are a thing that exist, yes?" Ambassador de Vertrún asked, calmly and casually.
"More important what you must realize is the issues previously outlined do not apply to just the previous incarnation of the RRF but the idea of such a multinational mixed-composition force bound by legislature in general, correct?"

Rothschild rolled her eyes as the Ambassador left the floor to compose himself.

"Logistics are based off of statistics that have previously occurred within the general strata of the proposed sample question surrounding the data. What you are providing is probability based off of assumption, not the stuff of logistics. So yes, whilst I know they exist; I'm not confident, that logistics are what you're providing.

Moreover, what you must understand Mr. Ambassador, is that nowhere in any part of my request, have I stated that I want the R.R.F reinstated under a multinational, mixed-composition military. You again make the assumption that this is what I am requesting, when that is in fact false. However, feel free to continue to assert that; wasted time on the floor of this Chamber has come to be a bit of a tradition I've heard."

[Roskian Federation]

"The Roskian Federation votes against any attempted repeal of resolution 34 and 35. The Joint Military Readiness Initiative allows individual memberstates to effectively use their armed forced in ways that help them in crises of needed, and help others in crises as well. Without a central force, the IFC has greater flexibility without compromising the internal security of nations within the organization.

[New Roma Republic]

"ORDER! As Deputy Speaker, I want order!" said Nakashima, banging a gavel. "Ms. Rothschild, I am glad to see you want to jump in and start things rolling, however, I will deny your motion on the grounds that the motion was not presented as a Resolution. If you wish to write up Resolution 38, we can debate it after I or the Speaker calls the vote on Resolution 37a. Thank you for understanding.

"On a different note, this is last call on voting on Resolution 37a. The votes shall be tallied tomorrow."

[Adriatican]

"ORDER! As Deputy Speaker, I want order!" said Nakashima, banging a gavel. "Ms. Rothschild, I am glad to see you want to jump in and start things rolling, however, I will deny your motion on the grounds that the motion was not presented as a Resolution. If you wish to write up Resolution 38, we can debate it after I or the Speaker calls the vote on Resolution 37a. Thank you for understanding.

"On a different note, this is last call on voting on Resolution 37a. The votes shall be tallied tomorrow."

"Mr. Speaker, previous sessions of this body have allowed for such, there is precedent. However, understanding the will of the Chamber, I'll yield the motion. However, I would like to note for the record that what I actually wanted was ignored, and construed as a complete reinstitution of the R.R.F, now I know my motion can be hard to read for some, but I would ask that the next time the Ambassadors from Roski and the like simply start flailing their hands in condemnation of something, they sit down with their milk at the big table, and read what's being asked - if they're capable of course.

Oh, and as a matter of order; the Adriaria Delegation votes NAY on Resolution 37a. I yield the floor."

[New Roma Republic]

"Here is the current count for Resolution 37a. Last call for votes"

Resolution Number: 37a
Name of Resolution: Chkalovskian Crisis Act
Link: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=388836&start=275#p31109681
AYE: 5
NAY: 3
ABSTAIN: 0
Constantly Updated

[Glamour]

"Aye," muttered IFC Ambassador from the Opulent Citizenry's Demesne of Glamour, their phone buzzing with confirmation of the vote held in the Citizenry's Theatrical and Interactive Court of Dissent and Debate, communicated to the Ambassador from the Diva Cynosure via Xerox operators.

The Ambassador had sat stony-faced throughout the proceedings, making not one sound until then, and resolving to take no further official or unofficial stance on the matter thereafter.

[Pillowlandia]

"The Pillowlandian delegation shall vote nay to resolution 37A on grounds that a solution which results in all sides benefiting is already on the table, and it is one that the affected party is open to accepting more readily. We should strive to avoid less than needed strife among our members. I recommend that we take that course and at a later time conduct a proper, less heated investigation into events and proceed from there.

Now, Madam Rothschild. I hadn't realized that your nations request to be exempt from the formal application process due to past connections and history had been accepted by either the Minister of Membership or the Prime Minister. No matter your rather presumptuous tone, your statements are of an even more ridiculous form. The RRF was a fine example of bureaucratic waste, for the reasons already stated by my fellow representatives. It is more effective to have nations operate with their own fellows, provides additional security to each member, and cuts a heavy financial burden from this organizations shoulders. After all you said, and I quote ' the R.R.F be immediately reinstated'. So what is your actual position, we're all diplomats here. We can see past the politicians words. That is if you can sit down with your milk at the big table and understand the financial and strategic advantages of the alliances move, and no I don't mean the children's table that you call the big table.", with that Charles simply looked back to his laptop, quietly whispering to an aide to bring him a glass of milk and a cookie.

[Shazbotdom]

Retconned

[IFC Admin 2]

Adriatican,

As OP of this thread, I ordering remove these two posts.

[New Roma Republic]

Resolution Number: 37a
Name of Resolution: Chkalovskian Crisis Act
Link: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=388836&start=275#p31109681
AYE: 6
NAY: 4
ABSTAIN: 0
Constantly Updated

"As of 1200 on February 20, 2017, Resolution 37a is passed with a count of 6 to 4. The Grand Dutchy of Chkalovsk must immediately withdraw from Belarus and remove the ban of leftist political parties, as per Resolution 37a."

[Shazbotdom]

"Excuse me, Honorable Deputy Speaker, but I looked over the votes and it seems that is a 4 to 4 tie on Resolution 37a, not a 6 to 4 Aye Win. Unless there is a precedent for these purposer to be considered a yes vote, then it would be a 5 to 4 win for the Ayes."

[New Chilokver]

"It is traditionally assumed that the writer or writers of a resolution are counted as AYE votes- there's hardly any point to writing a resolution and voting against it, is there? Nevertheless, to seal this vote, Chilokver votes AYE for Resolution 37A."

[New Roma Republic]

"My apologies, I was counting the Resolution proposers as AYE, the Chilokverian delegate has stated. It has been done in the past, and I do it now. If you wish to change that, just let me know, and I will."

[Isle of Lost]

I believe Resolution 33 Section 1(B) defines that the creators of a resolution of resolution amendment are assumed as an "Aye" vote, in case we run into this issue again in the future that is.

[Isle of Lost]

OOC: the following resolution only affects nations ejected for IC reasons. I'm assuming an IFC leader will handle re-admittance if a nation was ejected for OOC reasons.

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Ambassador Julli was honestly surprised the resolution passed, secretly not being whole-hardheartedly for his own edit of the Roman delegation's resolution. Regardless, he had been sitting on a new resolution during the debate and was eager to introduce it to the floor.

Esteemed delegations of this Council, I would to introduce to you a new resolution to solve what I foresee could be quiet a problem for this organization. As for current, there is no system or even precedent for the return of an ejected member. I believe we are here to foster and enforce Freedoms around the world, so I see no reason why that does not include ejected member states.

The following resolution introduces a simple system that will allow ejected members a chance to return among our ranks... with some minor criteria of course.

The Parfoederation of the Merick Isles Ambassador Oscar Julii Hermais Member Re-Admittance Act [Resolution Number: 38] Observing, that a defined process for the return of ejected members does not exist Concerned, that ejected members may be able to return to the International Freedom Coalition without resolving the issue(s) for which they were ejected. Let it be resolved that the IFC shall allow for the submittance of applications from, and possible re-admittance of, ejected members if said member adheres to the following criteria. Section I: Re-Admittance Criteria SECTION I(A): Acknowledgement of Wrong Doing The ejected nation must formally acknowledge to the Council wrong doing for all issues for which they were originally ejected as according to their ejection resolution's final form. SECTION I(B): Formal Apology The ejected nation must issue a formal apology to Council where said nation not only acknowledges wrong doing as stated in Section 1(A), but apologizes for committing the issues which lead to their ejection as according to their ejection resolution's final form. SECTION I(A): Evidence The ejected nation must provide the Council with enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that said nation has resolved the issues for which they were ejected as according to their ejection resolution's final form. Signed, Oscar Julli, the Parfoederation of the Merick Isles

[Kannap]

Cyrus Caxwell stands to speak, not representing Kannap since Naomi operates in that capacity, but representing the Ministry of Membership of the IFC.

"I am glad to hear that this has been proposed. I fully support a process for ejected nations to be forgiven and reapply for membership."

After the short endorsement of the resolution, Dr. Caxwell returns to his seat.

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Kannapian representative Naomi Watson stands soon after Dr. Caxwell sits down, "I vote AYE on Resolution 38."

[Inyourfaceistan]

"The Inyurstan Delegation votes AYE to Resolution 38."

[Guadalupador]

The nation of Guadalupador Votes AYE on the Resolution 38.

[New Roma Republic]

The nation of the Imperial Republic of New Rome Votes AYEon the Resolution 38.

[Emerstari]

The country of Emerstari Votes AYE on the Resolution "38".