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Kustgebied
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Postby Kustgebied » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:01 am

Shazbotdom wrote:
FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER

Mr. Timmothy Moorston
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TO: Current Applicants

Kustgebied
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation has multiple problems. We have heard from multiple sources that you have caused problems previously throughout the Community. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to REJECT your Application.


did you mistake URA's echoes for 'multiple sources'
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The Nation of Ceneria
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Postby The Nation of Ceneria » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:44 am

Oh, hey! I'm on the observer list now! :D

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Aeyariss
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:29 am

The United Remnants of America wrote:But even Palestine and Israel have documentation that they recognize each other.

'Recognition' in what context?
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Shazbotdom
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:58 am

FROM THE OFFICE OF
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Mr. Timmothy Moorston
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TO: Current Applicants

Kustgebied
We reviewed information from multiple sources. It was not just the warning of one member Newton that brought us to this decision. I'd you feel this decision was made in error, you may state your case as to why you believe you would be a good for for this alliance and give it in a diplomatic communique.
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Postby Kustgebied » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:01 pm

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Roskian Federation
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Postby Roskian Federation » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:04 pm

New Roma Republic wrote:
The Lendol Archipelago wrote:Whatever happened to CASTI?

CASTI could be absorbed into the IFCMHI, and made for specifically medical based work. All these organizations will fall under the Ministry of Science. The directors of the organizations will sit on a Science Committee, with the chair being the Minister of Science. They will discuss funding for the various organizations, what direction they should go, etc.

Pillowlandia wrote:

I'd have to find it again, but I have previously put forth some ideas for a health agency.

Please do! I'd like to see it to help with the creation of the IFCMHI

Roskian Federation wrote:
Oh god, not more beaucracy

To me, it seems as if the Ministry of Science exists, but it doesn't have much of a presence. I am trying to make it more prominent. It shall be focused on bringing the IFC into areas that they have not focused on before, and help to unite the scientific community of the members states. We can get more done together than we can individually.


excuse me for being a brat (im quite good at being that), but the Ministry of Science should be abolished immediately for a decentralized competetive alternative.
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Roskian Federation
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Postby Roskian Federation » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:05 pm

New Chilokver wrote:I can't say Lib's fears are entirely unfounded though. The majority of active, not total members tend to be members on the right of the political spectrum. As far as nations who actually support the left rather than being centrist/right wing, there are fewer. The sudden intake of applications from SACTO members doesn't really help.


hey there are some of us lefistish nations left :P
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The Lendol Archipelago
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Postby The Lendol Archipelago » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:06 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
New Chilokver wrote:I can't say Lib's fears are entirely unfounded though. The majority of active, not total members tend to be members on the right of the political spectrum. As far as nations who actually support the left rather than being centrist/right wing, there are fewer. The sudden intake of applications from SACTO members doesn't really help.


hey there are some of us lefistish nations left :P

How many are there besides us two?
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Postby Roskian Federation » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:09 pm

The Lendol Archipelago wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:
hey there are some of us lefistish nations left :P

How many are there besides us two?


unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too
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The Lendol Archipelago
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Postby The Lendol Archipelago » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:24 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
The Lendol Archipelago wrote:How many are there besides us two?


unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too

Aus is right wing.
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Flardania
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Postby Flardania » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:33 pm

The Lendol Archipelago wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:
unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too

Aus is right wing.

I'm center/ center-left.....
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Kustgebied
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Postby Kustgebied » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:46 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER

Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire
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TO: Current Applicants

Kustgebied
We reviewed information from multiple sources. It was not just the warning of one member Newton that brought us to this decision. I'd you feel this decision was made in error, you may state your case as to why you believe you would be a good for for this alliance and give it in a diplomatic communique.

the issues are OOC, this discussion should therefore be OOC
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The Lendol Archipelago
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Postby The Lendol Archipelago » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:55 pm

Flardania wrote:
The Lendol Archipelago wrote:Aus is right wing.

I'm center/ center-left.....

Yay, so their's ~5 of us.
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Romic
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Postby Romic » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:27 pm

Tell that minority, majority to the US house. There is always a majority and a minority.
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Great Kauthar
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Founded: May 01, 2016
Conservative Democracy

Postby Great Kauthar » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:27 pm

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Kairaku, Flardania, Kirishima


IFC Admissions Application


National Information
Formal Nation Name: Republic of Kauthar
Shortened Nation Name: Kauthar
Demonym: Kauthan
Capital city: Fondain
National Population (RP): 9.9 Million (2013 est.)
Form of Government: Parliamentary Federal Constitutional Presidential Republic
Is your Government by the people?: Yes, through elected representatives
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Centre-Left to Centre-Right
Head of State: Mikael Favre
Head of Government: Mikael Favre
Economic System: Free Market Capitalism
Currency: Valuta
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 NSD = 1.32 VLT
Major Exports: Agricultural Produce, Timber, Arms
Major Imports: Metals, Oil and Vehicle Parts
Language: Kauthan (French)
Brief History of your nation: The (First) Republic of Kauthar was established on June 17th 1907, with the Republican Revolt beginning. In less than a year, the Monarchy had fled, and a full democracy had been established. This democracy was met with economic problems, a far-right party called the National Traditionalist Party vowed to bring back Kauthar's glory, and when they lost the 1918 elections they staged a coup, and held power until a revolt on the 23rd of December 1926. Since then, the government has maintained stability, with the Parliament and Presidency control rotating between the centre-left, centre or centre-right factions on all but two occasions.
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Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms
Does your nation have
Freedom of thought: Yes
Freedom of belief (religion): Yes
Freedom of expression: Yes
Freedom of the media: Yes
Freedom of peaceful assembly: Yes
Freedom of association: Yes
Freedom of movement: Yes
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Yes
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Yes
Freedom from slavery: Yes
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Yes
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Yes
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Yes
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Yes
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Yes
Right to own property: Yes
Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Yes, the state only place restrictions to protect the environment and to limit the political power of corporations.
Right to innocent navigation: Yes

Foreign Relations and Military Statistics
What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): None
What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.): League of Nations
Foreign Policy: Will not attack unless an ally is attacked first, hostile towards communist authoritarian regimes, anti-Radical Islamic regimes,
Number of active military personnel (RP): 25,000
Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 230,000
Nuclear Arsenal (if any): None
Name of Military: Militaire de la Republique
Branches of Military: Forces Armées de la République, Force Aérienne de la République, Marine de la République, Forces Spéciales de la République
RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=29161835#p29161835

Delegate to the IFC Council Information
Name: Amande Marier
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Biography (optional):
Education (optional):
Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: To expand and solidify our diplomatic relations across the world.
Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: Yes
Signature: _____________________________
Date:_______________________

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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:33 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:Maybe because I had to work with what was available?

No you didn't. In the case of the Council resolutions, you shouldn't have included anything in that list, ergo you shouldn't have included the list at all, then Chalovsk wouldn't have had to waste time reading it. A better placeholder would have been a line saying 'LIST TO BE UPDATED'. Not that it matters very much in the grand scheme of things.

Because you didn't do anything with updating the membership list for half a year?

One month, actually. You will discover that it is more efficient to look up #IFCApp, particularly if you approve applications individually (like me) and don't feel inclined to expel members just for ceasing to exist.

And that is something that is on my list of stuff that needs to be done, and I am working out a Telegram to send to my Grand Allied Commander, but other things do take priority.

No worries, take your time!

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Thirdly, these still aren't solid metrics that can be measured, it's more of your subjective rhetorical crap; meaning, like I said before, no matter what happens you can bend your definitions and proclaim yourself right 9 months down the road.

It is characteristic of arguing with language that one uses words. Words will always be vague and mean different things to different people, but it is not my fault if as a result you don't like to use, understand, and/or interpret words in a logical context. Personally I am satisfied that most other people have at least mostly understood what I have approximately predicted, and will therefore be able to form their own judgements when the time comes.

New Chilokver wrote:Obviously I'm not so paranoid as to believe this is an effect by SACTO to sway the IFC over to their side, but this influx does mean that the left becomes increasingly marginalised in terms of votes in the council.

Well yeah, but that's how democracy works...

I think you mean that's how democracy doesn't work. Democracy does not work when the rights of minorities are not respected.

The Lendol Archipelago wrote:Aus is right wing.

Indeed, that's the really funny thing about this whole argument. Ausitoria is actually in favour of things drifting to the right... except they also aren't, because they want nations to be free to choose (and also they don't want it to get out of control).
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Roskian Federation
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Postby Roskian Federation » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:50 pm

The Lendol Archipelago wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:
unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too

Aus is right wing.


fooled me
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:59 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:One month, actually. You will discover that it is more efficient to look up #IFCApp, particularly if you approve applications individually (like me) and don't feel inclined to expel members just for ceasing to exist.


Actually, when I look up CTEs and see that they've been gone for 6+ months, there is no reason to keep them on the list, especially when they have <100 posts total. It's not logical. And one month? There were people that I spoke with through telegrams that have started they requested to be removed more than 6 months ago and they were still on the membership list. So no, you were not keeping up with the list as well as you claim.
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The Swiss Guardsmen
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Postby The Swiss Guardsmen » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:21 pm

The Lendol Archipelago wrote:Yay, so their's ~5 of us.


To be fair, there's not a lot of company in the theocratic club here either, but we've found a cosy little niche to settle into nonetheless.

Also, I'd really hate to be the annoying chap that interjects in other people's teeth-grindings, but I really don't see the benefit of return from the asinine nitpicking that's been going on above (from multiple parties, and for a good long while). We're 7 pages into the new OOC thread, and not a single one has been left unmarred by an incessant stream of insults, innuendos, slights, and general statements made in poor temper. And before any indignant upstart starts bitching "well I only said 'X' because he said 'Y," I really get people might be feeling confident in their righteous aggravation, but I'd really encourage you to discern whether the verbal bloodletting has produced any meaningful consensus or progress thus far. Not a single argument has been resolved, and frankly, it's quite hard to see the beneficent intention behind much of what's been said through all the diction dripping with self righteous contempt.

So could we please, for the love of all that's holy, let Shaz deal with custodial issues in peace for the time being (and perhaps not draw the worst possible conclusions from their unfinished state just yet)? Then, when everything's finally produced and presented as "complete," people can raise issues (constructively) that might exist. The less time Shaz has to spend flinging shit around here, the faster this whole business goes, and the faster the new administration can check off its initial janitorial issues and move onto actual policy.
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Flardania
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Flardania » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:39 pm

The Swiss Guardsmen wrote:
The Lendol Archipelago wrote:Yay, so their's ~5 of us.


To be fair, there's not a lot of company in the theocratic club here either, but we've found a cosy little niche to settle into nonetheless.

Also, I'd really hate to be the annoying chap that interjects in other people's teeth-grindings, but I really don't see the benefit of return from the asinine nitpicking that's been going on above (from multiple parties, and for a good long while). We're 7 pages into the new OOC thread, and not a single one has been left unmarred by an incessant stream of insults, innuendos, slights, and general statements made in poor temper. And before any indignant upstart starts bitching "well I only said 'X' because he said 'Y," I really get people might be feeling confident in their righteous aggravation, but I'd really encourage you to discern whether the verbal bloodletting has produced any meaningful consensus or progress thus far. Not a single argument has been resolved, and frankly, it's quite hard to see the beneficent intention behind much of what's been said through all the diction dripping with self righteous contempt.

So could we please, for the love of all that's holy, let Shaz deal with custodial issues in peace for the time being (and perhaps not draw the worst possible conclusions from their unfinished state just yet)? Then, when everything's finally produced and presented as "complete," people can raise issues (constructively) that might exist. The less time Shaz has to spend flinging shit around here, the faster this whole business goes, and the faster the new administration can check off its initial janitorial issues and move onto actual policy.

I wouldn't call myself Theocratic but does heavily influence by state religion count?
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Kustgebied
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Postby Kustgebied » Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:49 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER

Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire
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TO: Current Applicants

Kustgebied
We reviewed information from multiple sources. It was not just the warning of one member Newton that brought us to this decision. I'd you feel this decision was made in error, you may state your case as to why you believe you would be a good for for this alliance and give it in a diplomatic communique.

1. kustgebied fits the entire profile of an IFC member - human rights respecting, democratic, etc.

2. aside from a few minor problems with URA, there's not much OOC conflict.
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Guadalupador
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Guadalupador » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:05 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
New Chilokver wrote:I can't say Lib's fears are entirely unfounded though. The majority of active, not total members tend to be members on the right of the political spectrum. As far as nations who actually support the left rather than being centrist/right wing, there are fewer. The sudden intake of applications from SACTO members doesn't really help.


hey there are some of us lefistish nations left :P

#Me I lean left of center
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Postby New Chilokver » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:00 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
The Lendol Archipelago wrote:How many are there besides us two?


unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too

you don't remember if I am ifc
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Postby Roskian Federation » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:05 pm

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New Chilokver wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:
unless laa has been booted, him/her :P

I don't remember if Chilo bb is IFC, but I'm certain he is leftistish

apparently Val is still IFC, so val too

you don't remember if I am ifc
damn, I wonder who's been speaker for the past summit and election :p
Flardania wrote:I'm center/ center-left.....

aren't u also sacto tho


i never saw you speak except a couple times a week
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:28 pm

Aeyariss wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:But even Palestine and Israel have documentation that they recognize each other.

'Recognition' in what context?

Just a document stating the other's existence.
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