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The Swiss Guardsmen
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Postby The Swiss Guardsmen » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:27 am

Kustgebied wrote:french revolutionary democracy is superior to both

And a canonical Guardianship of the Jurist (ولایت فقیه) transcends them all :lol:
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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:12 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Kustgebied wrote:in 9 months time, according to lib, the IFC will be a public relations-friendly front for SACTO


What defines a "public relations-friendly front for SACTO"?

As I have said: the IFC being effectively constrained in legislation with dual members being able to decide the outcome of every vote; the IFC subsequently unable and/or unwilling to oppose SACTO on any significant issue or effectively support any alternate viewpoint; i.e. the IFC ceasing to act distinct from SACTO.

Whether this would be by conspiracy/design or by accident is really immaterial and quite unimportant. The point is that Ausitoria and I are of the opinion it should not happen if the IFC is to remain distinctive.

And, just to remind you, the reason why it is important that the IFC should remain distinctive is to ensure a diversity of options.

Shazbotdom wrote:And, if you have actually read, I have removed that list of past Resolutions and am working on a new layout for a list of the Current Resolutions, as am gathering that information together in an MSWord document. This is day 3 of this Administration, and you are acting like it's been a month and a half. Chill out.

Do calm down. I am not complaining that you are putting together a list, indeed it is very commendable of you to alleviate the Speaker of the responsibility. Indeed I was simply trying to help (all I ever do) as I know Chalovsk hasn't been around for long and I didn't want him to waste time reading repealed nonsense.

However I could question why you saw fit to include a list that is out of date by half a year in the first place. Really we should look at introducing a swear-in ceremony where the Prime Minister swears to abide by the Charter - which might ensure that candidates read it.

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:By the way Shazbotdom, have you issued any orders to the IFC forces in Bluewell? i ask simply for information.
Why should it be the PM's job to issue orders for IFC Forces in Bluewell? Isn't that what the Supreme Allied Commander is for? Or the C-in-C's? That would be their job under my Administration, not mine, I.E. giving more power to people under me.

No need to get excited! I just thought you might know what your government was doing about it?
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Postby Hatay » Fri Sep 09, 2016 12:35 pm

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Both groups claim to adhere to the same ideas, yet see them in completely different light. Ideas such as wealth redistribution, progressive taxes or gun control, which would have had a politician filled with rounds by angry citizens in Inyursta, would be considered normal elsewhere.

Hatayan people dislike both.
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Postby New Chilokver » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:16 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
New Chilokver wrote:I can't say Lib's fears are entirely unfounded though. The majority of active, not total members tend to be members on the right of the political spectrum. As far as nations who actually support the left rather than being centrist/right wing, there are fewer. The sudden intake of applications from SACTO members doesn't really help.

1) Short term trends are not indicative of any long term effect, especially not some grand SACTOspiracy

2) Yeah, that's generally because the right tends to support things like free market, open elections, personal liberties, etc. Not saying that's always the case, but if we are going to tally up the worst dictators and violent terrorist groups in the 20th century, one side of the aisle takes the cake hands down...

Again, not saying that's always the case, but it sure is a trend that was formed long before the IFC or any attempt to gauge where most members stood.

Obviously I'm not so paranoid as to believe this is an effect by SACTO to sway the IFC over to their side, but this influx does mean that the left becomes increasingly marginalised in terms of votes in the council.

That really depends on far down the spectrum you go. The more extreme sides both did pretty bad things- Nazis for example. It just happens that communism was the most common form of leftism in the 20th century. Anyway, another time in NSG.

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The Swiss Guardsmen
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Postby The Swiss Guardsmen » Fri Sep 09, 2016 3:51 pm

Not to interrupt the SACTO PR firm dilemma, but I was wondering what people's general feelings would be if I came up with a more detailed organizational funding regimen for the IFC? Perhaps something based the UN system (with obvious tweaks, admittedly)?
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Shazbotdom
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:06 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:And, if you have actually read, I have removed that list of past Resolutions and am working on a new layout for a list of the Current Resolutions, as am gathering that information together in an MSWord document. This is day 3 of this Administration, and you are acting like it's been a month and a half. Chill out.

Do calm down. I am not complaining that you are putting together a list, indeed it is very commendable of you to alleviate the Speaker of the responsibility. Indeed I was simply trying to help (all I ever do) as I know Chalovsk hasn't been around for long and I didn't want him to waste time reading repealed nonsense.


I may give more power to my Ministers and Cabinet, but I wanted to spearhead not only the list of Resolutions but also update the Membership List.

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:However I could question why you saw fit to include a list that is out of date by half a year in the first place. Really we should look at introducing a swear-in ceremony where the Prime Minister swears to abide by the Charter - which might ensure that candidates read it.


Maybe because I had to work with what was available? Because you didn't do anything with updating the membership list for half a year? Because, honestly, that was part of your job as Prime Minister, especially since you were accepting/rejecting applications. It would have taken a whole nother 10 seconds to copy/paste the name into the membership list, but here I am now, having to go back through all the applications, the entirety of the membership list, etc. to fix it all. And it's taking me a lot longer do to this than it would have been for you to just keep up the membership list. It's almost as if you WANTED to not do it so it would have to fall upon whomever the next Prime Minister was.

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:Why should it be the PM's job to issue orders for IFC Forces in Bluewell? Isn't that what the Supreme Allied Commander is for? Or the C-in-C's? That would be their job under my Administration, not mine, I.E. giving more power to people under me.

No need to get excited! I just thought you might know what your government was doing about it?


And that is something that is on my list of stuff that needs to be done, and I am working out a Telegram to send to my Grand Allied Commander, but other things do take priority.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:22 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
What defines a "public relations-friendly front for SACTO"?

As I have said: the IFC being effectively constrained in legislation with dual members being able to decide the outcome of every vote; the IFC subsequently unable and/or unwilling to oppose SACTO on any significant issue or effectively support any alternate viewpoint; i.e. the IFC ceasing to act distinct from SACTO.

Well firstly; aside the fact that most SACTO members choose to blatantly disregard international law and customs just for shitz and giggles; the fact that SACTO has no functioning leadership so in terms of structure we are basically just a militarized anarchy; the fact that demands almost nothing from its members; Jesus I could go on forever but it would either fall on deaf ears or I would be accused of treason (again).

Secondly; if backing anti-democratic, anti-capitalist régimes with sketchy human rights records at best such as Tuva SSR, Ardoki, Asigna and Whiteshore is what it takes to oppose SACTO, then maybe you need to find or form a different alliance; because last time I checked the IFC is supposed to be about freedom, not about nurturing your conspiracy theories at any cost...

Thirdly, these still aren't solid metrics that can be measured, it's more of your subjective rhetorical crap; meaning, like I said before, no matter what happens you can bend your definitions and proclaim yourself right 9 months down the road.

New Chilokver wrote:Obviously I'm not so paranoid as to believe this is an effect by SACTO to sway the IFC over to their side, but this influx does mean that the left becomes increasingly marginalised in terms of votes in the council.

Well yeah, but that's how democracy works...

That really depends on far down the spectrum you go. The more extreme sides both did pretty bad things- Nazis for example. It just happens that communism was the most common form of leftism in the 20th century. Anyway, another time in NSG.

I would consider the nazis centrists, especially considering their anti-capitalist rhetoric and state restrictions on private industry, etc; I know a very proud Pole who would argue the nazis are just as leftist as Stalin was.

Regardless, you are right about both sides of the aisle being capable of bad things, Pinochet was undeniably a right-wing capitalist and he did some messed up stuff. You're also right about this being better for NSG though...
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 4:44 pm

FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER

Mr. Timmothy Moorston
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TO: Current Applicants

Isle of Lost
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.

Kustgebied
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation has multiple problems. We have heard from multiple sources that you have caused problems previously throughout the Community. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to REJECT your Application.

Pax Centrum
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation is a bit new. As of this point in time, we would like to see you Develop your nation more before we decide if you are a good fit for the International Freedom Coalition. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to TABLE your Application for the time being.

Ghosnia
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.

Skyviolia
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable Candidate Options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.
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Postby Romic » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:01 pm

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National Information
Formal Nation Name: The Empire of Romic
Shortened Nation Name: Romic
Demonym: Romician
Capital city: Imperial City
National Population (RP): 350,000,000
Form of Government: Emperor Yuri
Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements): There is a Legislative Body and regional governors
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center Right
Head of State: Emperor Yuri
Head of Government: Emperor Yuri
Economic System: Capitalist (Mixed Market)
Currency: Imperial Credit
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 NSD = 1.48 Imperial Credit
Major Exports: Arms and Armor, Computer Tech, Oil
Major Imports: Foodstuffs, Metals, Coal
Language: English
Brief History of your nation: Born in the 16th century from a brief civil war from a once oppressor king The Empire of Romic had given the Emperor (former military General) he was granted full authority over the nation as it started. After years of expansion it became too tiring for him to manage every aspect of the vast Empire, he created the Knights' Table. The Knights were a group of what are now provincial governors they were given control of their respective regions and voted on by the people. As time went on they were given the freedom to propose laws to the Emperor in which he could sign or reject.
Map: (Optional) NA
IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): NA

Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms
Does your nation have
Freedom of thought: Y
Freedom of belief (religion): Y
Freedom of expression: Y
Freedom of the media: Y
Freedom of peaceful assembly: Y
Freedom of association: Y
Freedom of movement: Y
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Y
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Y
Freedom from slavery: Y
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Y
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Y
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Y
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Y
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Y
Right to own property: Y
Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Y, some areas of the economy (such as electric and water) are owned and regulated by the gov't to allow for equal, quality, and affordable ammenities.
Right to innocent navigation: Y

Foreign Relations and Military Statistics
What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): SACTO
What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.)
Foreign Policy: Discontent to Communists (Not outright hostile but will not support or aid)
Number of active military personnel (RP): 1,500,000
Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 2,000,000
Nuclear Arsenal (if any): I will not disclose
Name of Military: The Imperial Military
Branches of Military:
Army
Navy
Air Force
Imperial Guard
Regional Guards
RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): viewtopic.php?p=29781658#p29781658

Delegate to the IFC Council Information
Name: Alex Trimbel
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Biography (optional):
Education (optional): Imperial Academy of The Army
Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: To help progress Freedom and to ensure public safety.
Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: I Do
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Date:____09/09/2016____

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Postby Skyviolia » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:34 pm

When is the next summit?
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 5:55 pm

Valaran wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
You need first to reply in UCK ;). Aside from that, have fun. I think that signing a treaty normalizing IFC-SACTO relationship would be a good thing.



Not sure that this is needed. A de facto reparation of the previous status quo should be sufficient.

I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:16 pm

Skyviolia wrote:When is the next summit?


I think we are going to wait a while for the next Summit. Seeing as we pretty much transitioned from one summit to the other exceptionally fast.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:44 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Not sure that this is needed. A de facto reparation of the previous status quo should be sufficient.

I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.


I think that most of you don't understand that most of SACTO perceived IFC to be hostile organization, and Ausitoria is perceived as an enemy (always was contrary to his claim).
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:47 pm

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Romic
It is the decision of this Administration that your nation meets the applicable candidate options to become a member of this Esteemed Alliance. Therefore, it is my solemn duty to ACCEPT you into the International Freedom Coalition.




New Aeyariss wrote:I think that most of you don't understand that most of SACTO perceived IFC to be hostile organization, and Ausitoria is perceived as an enemy (always was contrary to his claim).


And I am hoping that with my Administration, we can put our differences aside and return to the status quo and let peace reign.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 6:48 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.


I think that most of you don't understand that most of SACTO perceived IFC to be hostile organization, and Ausitoria is perceived as an enemy (always was contrary to his claim).

I am perfectly aware of this.

But even Palestine and Israel have documentation that they recognize each other.
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Postby Valaran » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:04 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Not sure that this is needed. A de facto reparation of the previous status quo should be sufficient.

I think at the very least, a nice official written recognition of each other and each other's goals would be nice to get the diplomatic train a rolling.



I rather disagree.
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Postby Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 7:51 pm

Sorry if im a negative nancy here but how the fuck do you not recognize the existance of another alliance?
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:01 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:Sorry if im a negative nancy here but how the fuck do you not recognize the existance of another alliance?

Apparently we're just going to not officially recognize SACTO as an organization.

That's cool, though.
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Postby Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:11 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:Sorry if im a negative nancy here but how the fuck do you not recognize the existance of another alliance?

Apparently we're just going to not officially recognize SACTO as an organization.

That's cool, though.


It only doesnt make any fucking sense tho
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:19 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:Apparently we're just going to not officially recognize SACTO as an organization.

That's cool, though.


It only doesnt make any fucking sense tho

Well, hey.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:38 pm

As an alliance, it will be up to the Leadership on who we do or do not recognize as an Alliance. Member states may make their own decision, but it will be up to the Leadership on the official stance of how we view other Alliances. At this point in time, we are not situated enough to make any sort of determination of that sort.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:46 pm

I believe Roski was talking from a de-facto, realist POV how does one not acknowledge the existence of another...
Correct me if I'm wrong...

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Postby Roskian Federation » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:03 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:I believe Roski was talking from a de-facto, realist POV how does one not acknowledge the existence of another...
Correct me if I'm wrong...

Also I will be away camping and spring diving this weekend so don't expect much activity from me.


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Shazbotdom wrote:As an alliance, it will be up to the Leadership on who we do or do not recognize as an Alliance. Member states may make their own decision, but it will be up to the Leadership on the official stance of how we view other Alliances. At this point in time, we are not situated enough to make any sort of determination of that sort.

There will be no more talk of this.


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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:48 pm

Roskian Federation wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:As an alliance, it will be up to the Leadership on who we do or do not recognize as an Alliance. Member states may make their own decision, but it will be up to the Leadership on the official stance of how we view other Alliances. At this point in time, we are not situated enough to make any sort of determination of that sort.

There will be no more talk of this.


I love being told to fuck off when I have legitimate issues of significant discussion.


What I am saying is, if you want to discuss this sort of thing, you should make your own thread and not clog up this alliance thread with it. I do not want this IFC Thread to turn into what the other one became, where everyone will argue about anything, even if it is not related to this Alliance. That causes a rift in the alliance, a rift in the community, and problems all around.

If you want to take what I said that way, then that's your prerogative.
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Fri Sep 09, 2016 10:02 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Roskian Federation wrote:
I love being told to fuck off when I have legitimate issues of significant discussion.


What I am saying is, if you want to discuss this sort of thing, you should make your own thread and not clog up this alliance thread with it. I do not want this IFC Thread to turn into what the other one became, where everyone will argue about anything, even if it is not related to this Alliance. That causes a rift in the alliance, a rift in the community, and problems all around.

If you want to take what I said that way, then that's your prerogative.

So, that's a green light to make the IFC Diplomacy Thread?
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