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[Hydraic Empire]

That's why I'm a supporter. Duh.
Also: you shouldn't make a "Space Federation" for MT/PMT Nations.

It's a federation of space agencies.

Also, how the hell is an MT/PMT space agency supposed to use FTL?

What kind of question is that? You're in space right... and you want to get places without taking months....

The title is a bit misleading.

[Mewsland]

Yes, but it's modern era. We're still figuring out how to get to Mars. This agency does things like the International Space Station.

[Lount Noho]

ISF Member Application Form

Nation Name (full): Democratic States of Lount Noho
Head of State: Grand Representative Mali Abelo
Head of Government: same

Name of Space Agency: Nohoan Lunar Initiative
Space Agency Type (mark one): [/] Public | [ ] Private | [ ] Other: ________________
Membership Type Desired (mark one): [ ] Full | [ ] Partial | [/] Special
Annual Budget: ₩400 Billion (NS$4 Billion)
Annual ISF contribution (minimum 0.25% of budget or NS$ 10 million, whichever is more): ₩100 Billion (25% of budget)
Currency exchange rate: NS$ 1 = ₩100
Location of Headquarters: Pe'ale, Dan'i
Location of Mission Control Facility: Port-Da-Cpac, Dan'i
List operational facilities, their uses, and capabilities (add more spaces if necessary):

• Port-Da-Cpac, launching and mission control, Lacking due to outdated technology
• Port-Da-Luna (Launchpad under construction), launching lunar missions (when completed), Backup Mission Control and Lunar launch center
• South Dan'i Array, Monitoring the sky, uses radio telescopes to view the stars
• North Shani Observatory, Monitoring the sky, uses optical and radio telescopes
• South Hiki Observatory, Monitoring the sky, more of a museum than an actual observatory, on account that the newest piece of equipment there is from the mid 1800s
• Saint Ferdinand Network Centre, works with other nations that have space telescopes, studying data and tapping into telescopes

Why does your space agency wish to join the ISF?: The NLI wishes to live up to its name, and actually go to the moon for once

97841 (application search code, do not remove)

[Congreveopia]

But space stations don't get interesting until the 1970s.

I'll post an outline of my idea shortly, but it is late 70s tech, not 1940s tech. If it's not what we're looking for right now, we can just shelve it and come back to it later.


That only works in so far as the cost scales with the importance. I mean, I don't know if it costs as much to build a space probe as it does to provide the operations support to fly it to Jupiter (Yay, Juno!).

In terms of priorities, though, Science and Development comes first. Boldly going where no-one has gone before is meaningless if you don't have a scientific question to make it worthwhile and good enough instruments to answer that question. Other than that, manufacturing and supplies should be a function of what the upcoming missions need, not sure how to do that, though. Astronaut office might want a fixed sum derived from the number of astronauts, not a percent of the budget. Facilities and construction can probably take a steady 10% to make sure everything is ready on the ground for whatever's coming next in space, and both ops and projects and planning are very important, but their budgets' relative importances might be better decided by whether we typically do long duration visions like Voyager, Opportunity, and Cassini with several mission extensions (favoring ops), or short missions with big but quick payoffs like Huygens, the Venera probes, and most manned missions (favoring Projects and Planning).

1960s* (again, assuming a more advanced world). My nation, for instance, probably landed on the moon in 1964ish. We spend a lot on scientific development, especially in space.

Yeah, it's probably a good idea to decide on some of the "firsts" for the ISF world. You're a pretty large space agency, and the founder of this thread. It seems reasonable for you to get the first lunar landing. Other than that, there's:

• First space probe to flyby/orbit/land on [planet].
• First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point).
• First long-duration lunar base.
• First manned mission outside Earth's SOI.
• Discovery of liquid water on Mars.
• First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars.
• First manned mission to orbit Mars.
• First manned mission to land on Mars.
• First lander on Europa.
• First sub-ice probe on Europa.
• First comet landing.

Some of these we can do an RP for, and so we just need to decide an approximate date. Others, we could give out based on what the various member space programs do best. (Congreveopia Space Command's main endevours are long-duration robotic orbiters and small short-lived surface probes).

[Congreveopia]

Okay, so here's my idea for an RP:

Spark in the Void:

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Liberation III imaged by ground Range-Doppler radar.

The Liberation III space station was designed as the final stepping stone before a long-term human habitation in outer space, but instead became one of the ISF's first major disasters, and a literal trial by fire for its brave crew of six.

After a month of successful operations by the first three-man crew, Liberation III, designed to test the feasibility of modular space stations on long duration missions, fielded a six-person crew for the first time in 1967, during the first station handover. The space station was comprised of two modules, a large habitation module modeled on the earlier Liberation space stations, and a smaller science and observation module built inside what was originally designed as a heavy cargo vehicle, but was transferred to the Liberation program following funding reductions. Currently, there were also two small three-man orbiters aboard, one of which had just brought the new crew of three, and one of which would shortly be departing with the old crew.

As the space station's oxygen systems were only designed for a three-man crew, lithium-perchlorate canisters were used to generate oxygen temporarily during the handover. When he second one was ignited, however, instead of the expected slow chemical reaction, the canister burst into flames, quickly spewing molten metal and sparks across the cabin. With a life-threatening fire onboard, and a space station filled to twice its capacity, the station's crew and the the ISF will need to react quickly, or Liberation III will become a tomb for six of humanity's finest.

Basically, it's the Mir fire of 1997 aboard a slightly modified Salyut 7, with a twist that will be introduced in the opening post making the situation far more critical. The primary participants would be the six astronauts on the station, with secondary positions in ground control and as astronauts in a potential rescue mission.

What do you all think?

[Mewsland]

Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.

• First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
• First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
• First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
• First satellite around the moon: 1949.
• First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
• First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
• First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
• First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
• First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
• First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
• First asteroid capture: 1980s
• First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
• First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
• Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
• First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
• First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
• First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
• First lander on Europa: 2010?
• First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
• First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?

Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.

EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.

[Congreveopia]

Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.

• First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
• First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
• First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
• First satellite around the moon: 1949.
• First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
• First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
• First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
• First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
• First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
• First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
• First asteroid capture: 1980s
• First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
• First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
• Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
• First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
• First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
• First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
• First lander on Europa: 2010?
• First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
• First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?

Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.

EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.

Those dates sound sensible to me. I'll probably move the RP earlier to something like 1967, given this information, as Liberation III is meant to be the precursor to modern modular space stations.

[Mewsland]

We are roughly 10-20 years more advanced than RL space programs, in that case.

[Congreveopia]

We are roughly 10-20 years more advanced than RL space programs, in that case.

Yes, the dates seem sensible to me for a world with similar technology advancement, but larger budgets. So, earlier achievements brought about by more trial and error, and more expense.

[Merni]

So, here's where our nation stands in the space timeline.

The first man in space, Herpam Hionis, entered space on the Terra IX mission, in 1962 . The first men on the moon landed there as part of the Selene I mission, in 1968. The 3 Oculus space probes have been sent across the solar system. Oculus I was launched in 1989, crossed Neptune in 1998, and stopped reporting in 2000. Oculus II was launched in 1997, crossed Neptune in 2005, and self-destructed upon command in 2009. Oculus III was launched in 2010, and as of now is between Saturn and Uranus.

[Hydraic Empire]

Yes, but it's modern era. We're still figuring out how to get to Mars. This agency does things like the International Space Station.

I repeat, the title is a bit misleading.

[Western Weyard]

Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.

• First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
• First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
• First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
• First satellite around the moon: 1949.
• First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
• First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
• First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
• First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
• First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
• First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
• First asteroid capture: 1980s
• First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
• First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
• Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
• First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
• First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
• First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
• First lander on Europa: 2010?
• First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
• First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?

Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.

EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.

Yeah, that sounds good - both the timeline and the RP idea. Just out of curiosity, what size were you aiming for with our lunar outpost?
Also, could I have the first manned Mars mission?

[Congreveopia]

So, here's where our nation stands in the space timeline.

The first man in space, Herpam Hionis, entered space on the Terra IX mission, in 1962 . The first men on the moon landed there as part of the Selene I mission, in 1968. The 3 Oculus space probes have been sent across the solar system. Oculus I was launched in 1989, crossed Neptune in 1998, and stopped reporting in 2000. Oculus II was launched in 1997, crossed Neptune in 2005, and self-destructed upon command in 2009. Oculus III was launched in 2010, and as of now is between Saturn and Uranus.

I think eight years to Neptune is very fast, unless you're using something like HERTS.

Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.

• First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
• First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
• First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
• First satellite around the moon: 1949.
• First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
• First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
• First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
• First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
• First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
• First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
• First asteroid capture: 1980s
• First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
• First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
• Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
• First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
• First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
• First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
• First lander on Europa: 2010?
• First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
• First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?

Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.

EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.

Yeah, that sounds good - both the timeline and the RP idea. Just out of curiosity, what size were you aiming for with our lunar outpost?
Also, could I have the first manned Mars mission?

First manned Mars mission will probably be a collaborative ISF effort.

[Mewsland]

Yeah, that sounds good - both the timeline and the RP idea. Just out of curiosity, what size were you aiming for with our lunar outpost?
Also, could I have the first manned Mars mission?

The Series I modules allow Samneas to support 5 people for 1 year. Each successive series doubles the number of people the base can support.

As Congreve said, the first manned Mars mission will likely be an ISF effort (we'll RP it out).

[Bourbon Duo-Sicilie]

ISF Director Application Form

Name of Space Agency: Royal Aeronautics and Space Agency (RASA)
Nation Name (Full): Kingdom of Bourbon Duo-Sicilie
Applicant Name: Gaetano Cipolla
Desired Position: Director of Facilities & Construction

Appearance of Applicant:

Qualifications of Applicant: Mr. Cipolla is the head of the Catania Center for Research and Development for the past eight years and has lead several research projects bringing many technological breakthroughs.
Short biography, including experience, of Applicant: Gaetano Cipolla inherited his father's company, Ferdardino Aviation Company, which produced planes for the state airline company. He took over the helm of the company and has led his company to become the largest in all of Bourbon Duo-Sicilie. Under his leadership the company developed many new innovations in aviation technology and was offered to lead the Catania Center for Research and Development. He reorganized the manufacturing to become even more efficient and introduced top of the line technology from his company.
Why does applicant want this position?:With his eight years at the helm of the Catania Center for Research and Development he has developed a passion for space and now since Bourbon Duo-Sicilie has joined the ISF he wishes to contribute in anyway so humanity can continue in their mission to conquoer the final frontier.

[Congreveopia]

So, how do we feel about Spark in the Void? Shall I open an OOC thread to figure out the six astronauts for it, or do we want to hold off for a while?

[Mewsland]

Fire up that OoC.

Bourbon Duo-Sicilie: welcome aboard.

[Bourbon Duo-Sicilie]

Fire up that OoC.

Bourbon Duo-Sicilie: welcome aboard.

Thanks.

[Mewsland]

Alright, I'm going to do updates to the thread now.

[Mewsland]

Lount Noho: Accepted. It seems your app got buried in yesterday's discussions. Sorry.

[Western Weyard]

As Congreve said, the first manned Mars mission will likely be an ISF effort (we'll RP it out).

Fine by me.
I'll drop an application for a director post later today.

[Rebirth Union]

This is a bit weird for my nation, since we didn't exist until the 70's and only began our space program in the 90's. We have no interest in Mars so we have been either going to the Moon to mine at a base first established in 2016 or sending all sorts of probes to Jupiter's or Saturn's moons and the failed Jupiter 1 mission in 2022. So we will have to hold off on anything until the 90's or the 2000's.

[Lount Noho]

Lount Noho: Accepted. It seems your app got buried in yesterday's discussions. Sorry.

Yay Thanks. I look forward to spacing it up with you!

[Hansdeltania]

Member Application

Full Nation Name: United States of Hansdeltania
Head of State: Commander Vladimir Kazorov, USAF

Are you willing to allow the ISA to use any facilities your nation owns? Yes
If so, what are they? Sevegrad AFB, JB Isolagrad Launch Facility
Money pledged to the ISA annually: 500 billion
Type of Membership desired: Full

(If applicable, answer below. If not, ignore.)
Name of Space Agencies: Hansdeltanian National Aerospace Command, United States Air Force Space Command, United States Space Command
Type (Public, private, etc.): Government, military, military
Annual budget (NSD): 34.2 billion
Location of Headquarters: Hansdelta (HNAC), JB Delta/Delta AFB (USAFSC), JB Isolagrad (USSC)
Location of Mission Control: Phalanx Space Center (Reutzgo), JB Delta/Delta AFB (USAFSC and USSC)

Why does your nation want to join the ISA? Search for inhabitable worlds and develop new technologies to get there.

OOC: I might get the real app in tomorrow.

[Merni]

ISF Director Application Form

Name of Space Agency: Merni Space Agency
Nation Name (Full): Democracy of Merni
Applicant Name: Mr Jepra Moren
Desired Position: Director of Finances

Appearance of Applicant: 6'0", black hair, slightly brownish skin colour, 56 years old.
Qualifications of Applicant: B.Com (Hons.), Master of Accounts (Hons.) and PhD in Accounts from Qersi University (widely considered one of the best in Merni)
Short biography, including experience, of Applicant: Born in 1960 in Qersi, Moren attended primary and high school. Having completed his 10 years of schooling, he accepted into Qersi University in 1975. He completed his B.Com course in 1979 with honours and his Masters course in 1983. He then began working at the Finance Department of Merni. He recieved his PhD in 1986. He continued at the Finance Dept, and he was Vice-Chancellor of Finance from 1991-1999 and Chancellor of Finance (the highest post) from 2002-2013. He has been on the Committee for Funding of Space Programmes (CFSP) at the Dept of Finance since 2005.
Why does applicant want this position?: Mr Moren wants this position because all through his life he has been fascinated by aeroplanes and spacecraft, however his family did not want him to pursue a career in aeronautics. For this reason he feels that a job in the ISF is a fulfillment of his dream. He believes that his knowledge of financial matters and his time on the CFSP will help him in his job at the ISF.

OOC: I can write the official accounts on Google Sheets/Excel.