What kind of question is that? You're in space right... and you want to get places without taking months....
The title is a bit misleading.
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by Hydraic Empire » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:26 pm
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by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:13 am
by Lount Noho » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:08 am
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:41 am
Mewsland wrote:Congreveopia wrote:But space stations don't get interesting until the 1970s.
I'll post an outline of my idea shortly, but it is late 70s tech, not 1940s tech. If it's not what we're looking for right now, we can just shelve it and come back to it later.
That only works in so far as the cost scales with the importance. I mean, I don't know if it costs as much to build a space probe as it does to provide the operations support to fly it to Jupiter (Yay, Juno!).
In terms of priorities, though, Science and Development comes first. Boldly going where no-one has gone before is meaningless if you don't have a scientific question to make it worthwhile and good enough instruments to answer that question. Other than that, manufacturing and supplies should be a function of what the upcoming missions need, not sure how to do that, though. Astronaut office might want a fixed sum derived from the number of astronauts, not a percent of the budget. Facilities and construction can probably take a steady 10% to make sure everything is ready on the ground for whatever's coming next in space, and both ops and projects and planning are very important, but their budgets' relative importances might be better decided by whether we typically do long duration visions like Voyager, Opportunity, and Cassini with several mission extensions (favoring ops), or short missions with big but quick payoffs like Huygens, the Venera probes, and most manned missions (favoring Projects and Planning).
1960s* (again, assuming a more advanced world). My nation, for instance, probably landed on the moon in 1964ish. We spend a lot on scientific development, especially in space.
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:07 am
Spark in the Void:
Liberation III imaged by ground Range-Doppler radar.
The Liberation III space station was designed as the final stepping stone before a long-term human habitation in outer space, but instead became one of the ISF's first major disasters, and a literal trial by fire for its brave crew of six.
After a month of successful operations by the first three-man crew, Liberation III, designed to test the feasibility of modular space stations on long duration missions, fielded a six-person crew for the first time in 1967, during the first station handover. The space station was comprised of two modules, a large habitation module modeled on the earlier Liberation space stations, and a smaller science and observation module built inside what was originally designed as a heavy cargo vehicle, but was transferred to the Liberation program following funding reductions. Currently, there were also two small three-man orbiters aboard, one of which had just brought the new crew of three, and one of which would shortly be departing with the old crew.
As the space station's oxygen systems were only designed for a three-man crew, lithium-perchlorate canisters were used to generate oxygen temporarily during the handover. When he second one was ignited, however, instead of the expected slow chemical reaction, the canister burst into flames, quickly spewing molten metal and sparks across the cabin. With a life-threatening fire onboard, and a space station filled to twice its capacity, the station's crew and the the ISF will need to react quickly, or Liberation III will become a tomb for six of humanity's finest.
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:10 am
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:00 am
Mewsland wrote:Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.
- First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
- First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
- First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
- First satellite around the moon: 1949.
- First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
- First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
- First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
- First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
- First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
- First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
- First asteroid capture: 1980s
- First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
- First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
- Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
- First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
- First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
- First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
- First lander on Europa: 2010?
- First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
- First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?
Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.
EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:10 am
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 5:31 am
Mewsland wrote:We are roughly 10-20 years more advanced than RL space programs, in that case.
by Merni » Thu Aug 11, 2016 8:07 am
by Hydraic Empire » Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:18 am
Mewsland wrote:Yes, but it's modern era. We're still figuring out how to get to Mars. This agency does things like the International Space Station.
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by Western Weyard » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:02 am
Mewsland wrote:Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.
- First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
- First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
- First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
- First satellite around the moon: 1949.
- First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
- First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
- First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
- First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
- First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
- First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
- First asteroid capture: 1980s
- First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
- First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
- Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
- First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
- First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
- First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
- First lander on Europa: 2010?
- First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
- First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?
Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.
EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.
Mefpan wrote:I'd rather have them throw the region into shit zone than have Erdogan strap rocket boosters to his country and Wernher von Braun it there and damn the obstacles.
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 10:16 am
Merni wrote:So, here's where our nation stands in the space timeline.
The first man in space, Herpam Hionis, entered space on the Terra IX mission, in 1962 . The first men on the moon landed there as part of the Selene I mission, in 1968. The 3 Oculus space probes have been sent across the solar system. Oculus I was launched in 1989, crossed Neptune in 1998, and stopped reporting in 2000. Oculus II was launched in 1997, crossed Neptune in 2005, and self-destructed upon command in 2009. Oculus III was launched in 2010, and as of now is between Saturn and Uranus.
Western Weyard wrote:Mewsland wrote:Time for me to throw my first thoughts out on dates for firsts. If we're going to put the founding of the ISF predecessor (what will we call it, anyway?) in 1942, that probably shifts dates back quite significantly because of the combined technological might of the nations in that predecessor organization. If we choose to put it later, we'll adjust these dates accordingly.
- First manned lunar landing: (I keep wanting to say Munar. Gods damn it, Kerbal Space Program!) If we go with me taking the first manned lunar landing, that means all lunar landings must be later than August 23, 1958 (the Aurora VII landing). I'll use this point as a reference for our other dates (adjusting them relatively), hence why it's listed first.
- First satellite: I would say that the first successful satellite launch should be no sooner than 1948, and satellites should not be regular things until 1950 at the minimum.
- First man in space: 1950. Maybe late 1949.
- First satellite around the moon: 1949.
- First unmanned lunar landing: 1953.
- First men around the moon: Associated with the manned lunar landing point, I would put my Aurora V mission in February 1958 as the first time men went around the moon.
- First space station: Hmmm... this one's difficult. I'd say 1960 given our start date. Modular space stations (like Project Liberation in Congreve's RP proposal) would develop no sooner than 1967.
- First distant space station (lunar orbit or a Lagrangian point): 1975 at absolute minimum, preferably later than 1980.
- First long-duration lunar base: If I could have this one, because lunar stuff, the Series I modules of Lunar Station Samneas began assembly on the moon in 1985, assuming we don't move dates. (By 2015, we're at the end of Series III of construction, starting Series IV.) I still wouldn't like to see a long-duration lunar base prior to 1985 if I don't have this one (I can push the beginning of Samneas' assembly back some time).
- First manned mission outside Earth's SOI: 1970-75?
- First asteroid capture: 1980s
- First asteroid landing: Later 1980s
- First manned asteroid exploration: 1990s
- Discovery of liquid water on Mars: 1980s
- First martian soil retrieval mission to Mars: No sooner than 1990.
- First manned mission to orbit Mars: No sooner than 1995.
- First manned mission to land on Mars: No sooner than 2000.
- First lander on Europa: 2010?
- First sub-ice probe on Europa: 2015?
- First comet landing: If we count impactors, 1990? If it's just landers, then 2000?
Again, if we choose to shift our start date forward or back, then we can adjust these dates accordingly, or they can be adjusted for other reasons.
EDIT: Congreve, as for your RP proposal, I'm all for it.
Yeah, that sounds good - both the timeline and the RP idea. Just out of curiosity, what size were you aiming for with our lunar outpost?
Also, could I have the first manned Mars mission?
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:37 pm
Western Weyard wrote:Yeah, that sounds good - both the timeline and the RP idea. Just out of curiosity, what size were you aiming for with our lunar outpost?
Also, could I have the first manned Mars mission?
by Bourbon Duo-Sicilie » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:06 pm
by Congreveopia » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:12 pm
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:16 pm
by Bourbon Duo-Sicilie » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:19 pm
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:13 pm
by Mewsland » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:49 pm
by Western Weyard » Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:24 pm
Mewsland wrote:As Congreve said, the first manned Mars mission will likely be an ISF effort (we'll RP it out).
Mefpan wrote:I'd rather have them throw the region into shit zone than have Erdogan strap rocket boosters to his country and Wernher von Braun it there and damn the obstacles.
by Rebirth Union » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:34 pm
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by Lount Noho » Thu Aug 11, 2016 7:43 pm
Mewsland wrote:Lount Noho: Accepted. It seems your app got buried in yesterday's discussions. Sorry.
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