Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Asigna]

Let me ask you a simple question people.

Do you want to rp with each other's canon or not?

Aimed at: Lib v friends.

Of course I would like to. TBH, most reasons why I am here is because many of my standards RPing partners are IFC members which makes Lib hard to ignore - that is why I am here after all.

Yeah yeah everyone knows that. Hands down cus.

Lib should answer this question as well. I need his answer more. Top priority.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Of course I would like to be able to. Quite besides the fact that I RP with a number of SACTO members via the IFC, and conventional RPing is widely argued to be preferable to unconventional RPing, I don't like unresolved questions.

The minor problem is that it is likely impossible unless people are willing to unmake their minds, and keep them unmade until such a time as I have more time.

Certainly there is no point in me giving you further incomplete information as all you ever do is leap to hasty ill-informed conclusions on incomplete data.

Are you seriously trying to say that "it isn't real", "no such thing exists", and "you can't expect us to assume confirmation of an untested hypothesis" are "ill-informed conclusions"?

Only the first two. One should never reach a conclusion without evidence, and the absence of sufficient evidence is not sufficient evidence of absence. It is simply evidence that there isn't sufficient evidence at the present point in time (which is a tautology, so you shouldn't argue with it).

I haven't missed the mutuality of RPing by conventional methods. However I am not interested in such conventional participation in RPs I consider boring, or with people who are too arrogant to deserve to go on living, which is why nowadays I mostly RP in unconventional styles.

Unconventionality should not come at the cost of basic cooperation, in short.

Au contraire, unconventionality is the only way to skim over a complete lack of cooperation. One does not have to RP with people to RP around people.

Wait! That is "what else one can do", and also "what else one should do".

There are many things I think you should do. This does not mean I have the right to simply dictate to you, and it also means you don't have a monopoly of diktats on the obligations of others.

My advice is free, you do not have to agree with it if you do not want to.

Well, I've certainly proved it probable to my own satisfaction. But my main burden is to prove it sufficiently for you to understand, if I ever decide you deserve to be enlightened. I do not approve of this modern habit of trying to make people better. As a man sows, so let him reap. Certainly there is no point in me giving you further incomplete information as all you ever do is leap to hasty ill-informed conclusions on incomplete data.

Maybe you will admit that you are hiding this because there is no data? Maybe because all the time you have been operating on fraud to godmod and techwank to get what you perceived to be an upper hand, and now when people come to expose this, you try to spin it back?

I have no interest in getting the upper hand. My participation in Nationstates is a number of my experiments, I think your further participation in my experiments is unnecessary, although you are welcome to continue if you like; I can now fairly accurately isolate your effects so it doesn't matter either way.

I think you are here to make an improvement on RL. So am I. That our ideas of what is an improvement are different is especially obvious by comparing politics and the angles or modus operandi by which we approach such matters. We know each other well enough to know that we are shockingly different.

Remember that thread with IYF? Not a SINGLE move has been made by Ausitoria ICly to RP what could have been an epic tale of struggle of dominance over the seas.

In fact, by your own standards, Ausitoria should have dissolved by now because Nihon took maritime dominance from it

Not by my understanding. Which is one of the reasons why we can't RP: we can't even agree on the probable starting position. So I have no interest in RPing that subject with you. Personally I consider the current cold war of virtually no direct action to be highly realistic and rather interesting and enjoyable; and best of all we don't have to agree to RP it; you can go on arguing with me OOCly to your heart's content and it won't make a shred of difference to my continuity.

Do you not see that people have a choice about what RPs they participate in? I would like to be able to RP with you but I don't care very much. I am often more happy RPing without you. That is why I don't RP with you very much any more.

That is why I am so bemused that you seem to think I want people to follow my rules. I couldn't care less what rules you follow - and indeed I think we are following the same rules, just different interpretations of them. Where our opinions coincide, we can RP, where they don't, you go your way, I'll go mine, and I'll fill in for you if you whenever you don't follow the fundamental rule of the internet (that people must have a choice not to participate in something).

But stop trying to pretend I'm some nasty dictator: until I know better, anything goes, and so do I.

I repeat, do you not see that people have a choice about what RPs they participate in?

(And if you think that's a stupid question, well, so is the question 'Do you want to rp with each other's canon or not?' - I mean, why the hell would we be here if we didn't)?

[Common Territories]

Well, I got bored and decided to perform a simple search to see what I find. Granted I didn't read every little things and I didn't note it down; I don't care about this PMT tech one bit tbh. But I wanted to try and find sources to use, here's a set of links to sources (or a list of sources) I gathered in under one minute using a simple google search term: A list of research articles related to Stratosphere airships, An article on Stratosphere labs, of which mentions similar science and airships, and Oh look, another list of Stratosphere articles relating to airships. Not sure if both those lists are similar or not, I just found them at different sources so I linked them.

I wanted to leave a nasty response to posts I missed yesterday, but I see Val answered to them perfectly and Cusc handled the rest, so I just skipped to my second point. Lets just leave how fast I found these and if they do have good info in them as food for thought on why 2ria couldn't find any all these months.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Are you seriously trying to say that "it isn't real", "no such thing exists", and "you can't expect us to assume confirmation of an untested hypothesis" are "ill-informed conclusions"?

Only the first two. One should never reach a conclusion without evidence, and the absence of sufficient evidence is not sufficient evidence of absence.

1) Burden of proof is on you to prove its realistic, not us to prove its unrealistic

2) I actually have provided evidence on why modern experimental (again because nothing even remotely similar has actually been deployed) high-altitude airships are flimsy designs and cannot carry even a fraction of the weight required to carry, launch and support something close to the space fighters (which themselves are pretty much PMT) you describe...

It is simply evidence that there isn't sufficient evidence at the present point in time

So then either:

1) Provide evidence proving that it is realistic and modern

2) Admit that at this current time period there is no way to confirm that such a design is possible, and therefore it cannot be considered modern.

(which is a tautology, so you shouldn't argue with it).

I will argue with whatever I think it's wrong, and you throwing the label of "tautology"non from of your falsehood doesn't make it defensible..

[Ardoki]

I've finally figured out why all of this is going on. I feel quite stupid for not seeing it before.

I really don't want to do it though, I liked the direction Ardoki was going. However, I don't want you to destroy my nation either.

[Ardoki]

Okay, I was right. I shouldn't have trusted anyone. It was probably all planned from the beginning.

If you wanted me to leave, you should have just said so. Telling everyone to avoid me and then pretending to care about this RP (while conspiring to sabotage it) was completely unnecessary.

[Common Territories]

Okay, I was right. I shouldn't have trusted anyone. It was probably all planned from the beginning.

If you wanted me to leave, you should have just said so. Telling everyone to avoid me and then pretending to care about this RP (while conspiring to sabotage it) was completely unnecessary.

Dude. Don't know what you're going on about, but I think you're being a bit over dramatic at the moment. But maybe that's because im not really involved nor am I privy to your TGs.

[Asigna]

Answer me if possible cause i'm a lazy person and i'm not going to read the whole thing.

What's the difference between this rp and the blockade?

[Common Territories]

Answer me if possible cause i'm a lazy person and i'm not going to read the whole thing.

What's the difference between this rp and the blockade?

This was originally going to be the thread where 2ria and IFC ran the changes to Ardoki's nation; essentially enacting all the changes the two parties agreed to. The blockade thread came earlier and was made to actually blockade/war with Ardoki if conditions weren't met. The split happened because it was the only thing to do that gave the IFC (2ria) energy to post about this topic. If you remember, 2ria wont accept shit unless he gets his way or has OP over the thread, so this was the only compromise to the situation. While this thread concerned the political and national changes, the blockade thread kept to its topic.

[Asigna]

Answer me if possible cause i'm a lazy person and i'm not going to read the whole thing.

What's the difference between this rp and the blockade?

This was originally going to be the thread where 2ria and IFC ran the changes to Ardoki's nation; essentially enacting all the changes the two parties agreed to. The blockade thread came earlier and was made to actually blockade/war with Ardoki if conditions weren't met. The split happened because it was the only thing to do that gave the IFC (2ria) energy to post about this topic. If you remember, 2ria wont accept shit unless he gets his way or has OP over the thread, so this was the only compromise to the situation. While this thread concerned the political and national changes, the blockade thread kept to its topic.

So.. you had a compromise and yet you are still arguing?

[Common Territories]

This was originally going to be the thread where 2ria and IFC ran the changes to Ardoki's nation; essentially enacting all the changes the two parties agreed to. The blockade thread came earlier and was made to actually blockade/war with Ardoki if conditions weren't met. The split happened because it was the only thing to do that gave the IFC (2ria) energy to post about this topic. If you remember, 2ria wont accept shit unless he gets his way or has OP over the thread, so this was the only compromise to the situation. While this thread concerned the political and national changes, the blockade thread kept to its topic.

So.. you had a compromise and yet you are still arguing?

Me? No. Everyone else? ... Not sure. It's their own shit right now. I only posted here to address a few things - im not part of the SACTO mission here tbh.

[Asigna]

So.. you had a compromise and yet you are still arguing?

Me? No. Everyone else? ... Not sure. It's their own shit right now. I only posted here to address a few things - im not part of the SACTO mission here tbh.

Oh no. I wasn't pointing at you, i was talking about those who were actually arguing.

Someone remind me if im reopening freshly healed wounds so that ill know.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

You're probing wounds which are never going to be healed. Thank goodness we have now reached the stage where all parties realize we cannot RP directly under almost any circumstances. (Which means there is no longer any need to speak to each other).