Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Western Pacific Territories]

You know Ardoki, this looks interesting. Mind if I join?

[Ardoki]

I strongly recommend Prince Kapzia and an IFC delegation meet with our government prior to any of your officials and military forces arriving. Our government will need to make some things very clear, before anything can proceed.

The League of Young Social Democrats is the youth wing of the Ardokian Social Democratic Labour Party, it is a private organisation and is neither a part of the state nor under government control. It has every right to compensate its members who volunteer with points.

I thought you were referring to school points. That is alright then.

It would simply be unfair, to set a cap for the amount of money political parties may spend on campaign. That would penalise political parties which are popular enough to raise more than that figure, in effect giving the less popular political parties an advantage. This does not sound like the types of restrictions compatible with liberal democracies.

It's common enough in Europe and used in Ausitoria. Alternatively the ASDLP might exercise "voluntary" restraint; or alternatively, the Alexandrian government might officially give all under-supported parties $50 billion and take the money out of the other aid pledged for Ardoki and blame the ASDLP for putting the party before country.

If the IFC even attempted to give certain political parties any money, those political parties would be immediately de-registered by the electoral commission and criminal prosecution would be pursued. Our electoral laws prohibit corporations and foreign governments and organisations from influencing our government through bribery.

The constitution says that if an elected President resigns, dies or incapacitated, snap elections for both the presidency and the legislature must be held no more than two weeks later. This is to minimise the period an unelected President may be in power, and allow the people to elect the new President as soon as possible. If the election is extended, it would be a violation of the constitution.

Resolution 21 c says an election should be held within three months, and clause 5 states 'This government shall be dispensed in the interests of peace, fairness, stability, democracy, and prosperity' - and it is the opinion of the Prime Minister's Office that there is nothing fair or democratic about holding effectively rigged elections before people have a chance to campaign.

Of course one possible solution is to hold two elections, where the first is simply insignificant, and effectively ignored by the IFC.

The elections aren't rigged, we are allowing international observers to monitor, as was agreed upon before all the other stuff was demanded after acceptance into the IFC.

We cannot legally ignore or violate our constitution, and an IFC resolution cannot override it (there is a whole process to changing the constitution, but it takes time). Ignoring and violating the constitution is exactly what Moriarty did, I'm sure the IFC wouldn't want us to follow that example.

IFC forces will be distributed relatively evenly across Ardoki's north coast; to demonstrate to the Ardokian people that IFC forces are actually here to defend them, rather than surround the capital which would be seen by many as a very aggressive/hostile posture threatening to attempt incapacitating the government.

IFC forces are distributed according to the IFC government's requirements. Since most civil servants are based in the capital, and since the capital is of no little strategic importance, half are concentrated around the capital. Of course, at this stage, guards in built up areas do need need to drive around in tanks, or even in vehicles of military specifications, or even in battle uniforms; a clear gesture of trust.

If IFC forces wish to be stationed in Ardoki, our government will determine where they will be and what they will be doing. This is a matter of national security.

IFC units will be sharing Ardokian military bases, as the resolution implies that they'll only be here for one month, so there is no need to build your own bases. Therefore, your units will have to be spread out so as they don't cause any disruptions.

As long as your forces abide by the law, refrain from threatening our people, inform our government of everything, and comply with our government's requests; everything will be fine.

As long as your government's requests comply with the IFC government's requests, I'm sure everything will be fine. Of course there is no chance they will inform Ardoki of everything, e.g. stationary requisitions or small formation movements; if they did, Ardokian bureaucrats would be far more effectively overwhelmed than if they were blockaded.

You'll need our government's approval for every thing your military forces do, so I suggest you limit what they'll be doing.

I'd like to see the IFC ORBAT before the forces arrive in Ardoki.

Since it's constantly changing according to civil service requirements, that's a bit impossible to do in detail: particularly as most of the military forces are distributed to protect the civil service.

Fixed military formations consist of:

Ardea HQ Legion, c. 14,000 men
Composed of 1 x Combined Brigades, 1 x Armoured Reserve Brigade, 1 x Airmobile Brigade, 1 x Guards Brigade, and 3 x HQ Brigades (2 Airmobile)

North Armoured Assault Corps, c. 41,000 men
Composed of 4 x Marine Legions
With variable organic air support

Ardea Reserve Assault Corps, c. 41,000 men
Composed of 4 x Marine Legions
With variable organic air support

Other forces in strategic reserve - c. 30,000

The Civil Service Supporting Structure consists of:

Agency for the operation of the Ardoki government, nominally based in Panessos City, The Free States of Ailanor; numbering 130,000 civil servants; consisting of:

1. The Ardoki Joint Planning Offices of the IFC, the Aestorian Commonwealth Agency, and the Decis Confederacy, based in Alexandria, Ausitoria; numbering c. 90,000 civil servants, including HQ
2. The IFC Defence Forces Office, c. 2,000 civil servants assisting the Ardea HQ Legion
3. The IFC Observing Forces Office, c. 2,000 civil servants & 10,000 military forces
4. The IFC Military Police Office, c 5,000 civil servants; overseeing 10,000 police
5. The Ardoki Joint Administrative Operations Liason Office, based in Ardea, Ardoki; numbering c. 10,000 civil servants; with c. 40,000 guards seconded, including 30,000 for the protection of other IFC residents, including media organizations, families, etc.
6. The Ardoki Joint Administrative Observation Office, based in Ardea, Ardoki; numbering c. 20,000 civil servants; with c. 20,000 guards seconded for personal protection
7. Additional support from the the Alexandrian government, based in Alexandria, Ausitoria; of variable size, including a new prison and associated operational and administrative support.

I can't give more details as they are subject to continuous IC revision.

That looks like more than enough military forces. Though, I'd like details on equipment (e.g. how many MBTs, how many APC, etcetera).

There will be no insurgency or civil war, our people and military will support our government no matter the cost.

If it comes to it, which government? Resolution 21 c refers to IFC as establishing their own government, which will be 'advised and where feasible directed by the collaborating remaining elements of the prior government of Ardoki' (emphasis mine). At present those powers they are not directly exercising have been temporarily "delegated to such collaborating elements as required for the proper administration of the country", but under IFC law, the IFC government could completely bypass unco-operative elements; or even the entire "prior" Ardoki government if they felt it suitable, who are on astonishingly thin ice as it is.

Our government will not give up any power. It intends to reform Ardoki; however, it will not prostitute itself.

Our government will meet with Prince Kazpia and the other advisers in my next post. We can discuss some of these issues.

Certainly.

[Ardoki]

You know Ardoki, this looks interesting. Mind if I join?

Sure.

[Western Pacific Territories]

You know Ardoki, this looks interesting. Mind if I join?

Sure.

Thanks. My involvement will probably consist of a few press conferences, and the operation of my embassy, hopefully.

[Ardoki]

I personally believe that there is no need for 82,000 troops in Ardoki. It's excessive. We don't need to surge.

Ardoki is quite the large country though.

IFC forces are symbolic at the most. You are not suppose to be occupying it, and arguing that they can defend your observers is foolish (what are they going to do, open fire on the Ardokian police?).

IFC forces only need to be small, you are very lucky our government even accepted the notion of this. You should be focusing on IFC observers, they are the only units who will actually have any power in Ardoki.

Sure.

Thanks. My involvement will probably consist of a few press conferences, and the operation of my embassy, hopefully.

Sounds cool.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Ardoki is quite the large country though.

IFC forces are symbolic at the most. You are not suppose to be occupying it, and arguing that they can defend your observers is foolish (what are they going to do, open fire on the Ardokian police?).

IFC forces only need to be small, you are very lucky our government even accepted the notion of this. You should be focusing on IFC observers, they are the only units who will actually have any power in Ardoki.

Thanks. My involvement will probably consist of a few press conferences, and the operation of my embassy, hopefully.

Sounds cool.

Thanks. This is due mostly to me being busy helping a fascist empire defeat another fascist empire, but that's not a discussion for today .

[Roskian Federation]

Hello, this is the new iteration of the Roskian Federation.

[Organized States]

I personally believe that there is no need for 82,000 troops in Ardoki. It's excessive. We don't need to surge.

Ardoki is quite the large country though.

That is true, but a more minimal presence would go a long way in stabilization if we're good at PSYOPs.

Ardoki, I'll be TGing you an equipment list later.

[Roskian Federation]

I personally believe that there is no need for 82,000 troops in Ardoki. It's excessive. We don't need to surge.

Ardoki is quite the large country though.

Thats like two fucking divisions though

[Inyourfaceistan]

Reporting in as NAFF.

For future reference what kind of infrastructure is connecting Aanglandia to the mainland? What kind of bases and military presence does Ardoki have in Aanglandia?

[Ardoki]

I strongly recommend Prince Kapzia and an IFC delegation meet with our government prior to any of your officials and military forces arriving. Our government will need to make some things very clear, before anything can proceed.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I strongly recommend Prince Kapzia and an IFC delegation meet with our government prior to any of your officials and military forces arriving. Our government will need to make some things very clear, before anything can proceed.

Well maybe they can just talk now?

[Ardoki]

Well maybe they can just talk now?

Your post is fine.

My government is just not ready to let IFC forces into our country yet, especially without our demands being agreed to. Plus I still don't know the equipment they have, and I might request the force be significantly reduced to no more than a couple divisions at most (it is nothing more than symbolic, you really don't need such large forces).

[Inyourfaceistan]

Well maybe they can just talk now?

Your post is fine.

My government is just not ready to let IFC forces into our country yet, especially without our demands being agreed to. Plus I still don't know the equipment they have, and I might request the force be significantly reduced to no more than a couple divisions at most (it is nothing more than symbolic, you really don't need such large forces).

I mean do they really need IFC forces in Ardoki at all?

[Ardoki]

Your post is fine.

My government is just not ready to let IFC forces into our country yet, especially without our demands being agreed to. Plus I still don't know the equipment they have, and I might request the force be significantly reduced to no more than a couple divisions at most (it is nothing more than symbolic, you really don't need such large forces).

I mean do they really need IFC forces in Ardoki at all?

They don't; and with the trouble in Aanglandia at the moment, we'll be even less likely to accept even small contingents.

I think I want to focus on the election, and then the violence in Aanglandia. They will be our government's (and my) top priorities.

[Inyourfaceistan]

They don't; and with the trouble in Aanglandia at the moment, we'll be even less likely to accept even small contingents.

I think I want to focus on the election, and then the violence in Aanglandia. They will be our government's (and my) top priorities.

Exactly. Plus IFC forces might interfere with the Ardokian elections and other stuff.

It would be easier for everyone if you just ejected them.

[Ardoki]

They don't; and with the trouble in Aanglandia at the moment, we'll be even less likely to accept even small contingents.

I think I want to focus on the election, and then the violence in Aanglandia. They will be our government's (and my) top priorities.

Exactly. Plus IFC forces might interfere with the Ardokian elections and other stuff.

It would be easier for everyone if you just ejected them.

There is no doubt about my acceptance of their investigators and monitors, that was what I agreed to when I was invited to join the IFC. My government will negotiate about the other stuff though.

[Gauliscia]

Reporting in

[Organized States]

Well maybe they can just talk now?

Your post is fine.

My government is just not ready to let IFC forces into our country yet, especially without our demands being agreed to. Plus I still don't know the equipment they have, and I might request the force be significantly reduced to no more than a couple divisions at most (it is nothing more than symbolic, you really don't need such large forces).

No, it's more than symbolic. It's designed to temporarily take over the role of the Ardokian Armed Forces as we go through their ranks because of the heavy amount of war criminals.

Resolution 21C made this inherently clear, and the rest of the organization made this innately clear that this is a requisite for your membership in the organization. You're not in a position to negotiate this.

[Ardoki]

Your post is fine.

My government is just not ready to let IFC forces into our country yet, especially without our demands being agreed to. Plus I still don't know the equipment they have, and I might request the force be significantly reduced to no more than a couple divisions at most (it is nothing more than symbolic, you really don't need such large forces).

No, it's more than symbolic. It's designed to temporarily take over the role of the Ardokian Armed Forces as we go through their ranks because of the heavy amount of war criminals.

Resolution 21C made this inherently clear, and the rest of the organization made this innately clear that this is a requisite for your membership in the organization. You're not in a position to negotiate this.

Our military will not allow that to happen; neither would most of our government nor the vast majority of our population. Ardoki had no say in Resolution 21 C, and even if it did approve it would be a massive violation of our constitution and would not be illegal.

Now, the IFC can accept what I agreed to when someone requested I join the IFC; and be responsible for a truly free Ardoki. Or they can reject us, and watch us struggle on alone and potentially devolved back into a totalitarian state. I've made so many compromises, but I cannot go any further. The IFC needs to meet our government halfway, otherwise they will show themselves incapable of brining freedom to countries without using force.

[Organized States]

No, it's more than symbolic. It's designed to temporarily take over the role of the Ardokian Armed Forces as we go through their ranks because of the heavy amount of war criminals.

Resolution 21C made this inherently clear, and the rest of the organization made this innately clear that this is a requisite for your membership in the organization. You're not in a position to negotiate this.

Our military will not allow that to happen; neither would most of our government nor the vast majority of our population. Ardoki had no say in Resolution 21 C, and even if it did approve it would be a massive violation of our constitution and would not be illegal.

Now, the IFC can accept what I agreed to when someone requested I join the IFC; and be responsible for a truly free Ardoki. Or they can reject us, and watch us struggle on alone and potentially devolved back into a totalitarian state. I've made so many compromises, but I cannot go any further. The IFC needs to meet our government halfway, otherwise they will show themselves incapable of brining freedom to countries without using force.

You're going to have to trust us, cease provocations, and let us do the job the organization imposed. The Ardokian Armed Forces are going to be majorly cleaned. We can't let you continue promoting and hiding officers who've committed war crimes.

Or you can choose the alternative path, which you won't like. Trust me, we came in and we can just as leave, and hand you to the wolves of SACTO.

[New Aeyariss]

Not to mention that there has been trial of Moriarty and his crony, but what about the rest?

There were thousands that carried his orders...

[Ardoki]

Our military will not allow that to happen; neither would most of our government nor the vast majority of our population. Ardoki had no say in Resolution 21 C, and even if it did approve it would be a massive violation of our constitution and would not be illegal.

Now, the IFC can accept what I agreed to when someone requested I join the IFC; and be responsible for a truly free Ardoki. Or they can reject us, and watch us struggle on alone and potentially devolved back into a totalitarian state. I've made so many compromises, but I cannot go any further. The IFC needs to meet our government halfway, otherwise they will show themselves incapable of brining freedom to countries without using force.

You're going to have to trust us, cease provocations, and let us do the job the organization imposed. The Ardokian Armed Forces are going to be majorly cleaned. We can't let you continue promoting and hiding officers who've committed war crimes.

Or you can choose the alternative path, which you won't like.

I may trust the IFC OOCly; however the majority of our government, civil service, and military don't trust the IFC, while the vast majority of our population will not trust the IFC for the foreseeable future. There are prominent political realities at play, and interfering with our government or occupying Ardoki will only cause incredibly hostile reactions.

[Organized States]

You're going to have to trust us, cease provocations, and let us do the job the organization imposed. The Ardokian Armed Forces are going to be majorly cleaned. We can't let you continue promoting and hiding officers who've committed war crimes.

Or you can choose the alternative path, which you won't like.

I may trust the IFC OOCly; however the majority of our government, civil service, and military don't trust the IFC, while the vast majority of our population will not trust the IFC for the foreseeable future. There are prominent political realities at play, and interfering with our government or occupying Ardoki will only cause incredibly hostile reactions.

Hostile reactions are understandable. However, they don't dominate the political reality of the rest of the IFC.

[Ardoki]

Not to mention that there has been trial of Moriarty and his crony, but what about the rest?

There were thousands that carried his orders...

There is no physical documentation of all the crimes, that was all destroyed a long time ago. You'd be pressed to find concrete evidence linking Moriarty and O'Brien to any of the crimes directly, it will all have to be circumstantial.

So, we'll probably have to guess who could have possibly been involved and sent them to the international tribunal. Most would probably be innocent, but the IFC might get lucky and get a few confessions.