Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Lamoni]

It is really easy to spot when you lie like that, L&A. Really easy problem to fix, too.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Let us start with the text. Is there any mention of this OOCly disputed delta-class? No.

There is mention of such an almost equally PMT spacecraft which this PMT monstrosity is supposedly designed to launch.

Let us look at the pictures. Now, what do we have here? "Promotional poster."

So why again are you posting "promotional posters" for things that don't exist in MT?

And why are you adding to public missives the idea of such things that don't exist in MT?

Delta class being used in bluewell, an MT thread.

To be fair to Libraria, some of the other tech in that thread seems to be a bit PMT or unrealistic, such as OTH radar on ships or intercontinental SAM's (part of the reason I haven't joined Bluewell, as to not force others to accommodate to my realistic roleplay style); so I would hesitate to put an MT label on Bluewell...

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Delta class being used in bluewell, an MT thread.

Oh, that was with permission. If people are going to accept my word, who I am to stop them?

Let us start with the text. Is there any mention of this OOCly disputed delta-class? No.

There is mention of such an almost equally PMT spacecraft which this PMT monstrosity is supposedly designed to launch.

Nah, that's a shuttle on an airship. Virtually prehistoric by comparison.

Let us look at the pictures. Now, what do we have here? "Promotional poster."

So why again are you posting "promotional posters" for things that don't exist in MT?

Because it's IC* and it's pretty.

And why are you adding to public missives the idea of such things that don't exist in MT?

Again, different things. You don't think Ausitoria's put all its eggs in one basket, do you? I have five different methods for getting Ausitoria into orbit at lower prices and I'm considering two more, although I don't think they'd be ready yet.

[*An IC promotional picture.]

It is really easy to spot when you lie like that, L&A.

Look, why don't you actually reserve judgement until after all the evidence arrives for once? Innocence until proven guilty, or is this a bloomin' dictatorship?

[Lamoni]

Look, why don't you actually reserve judgement until after all the evidence arrives for once? Innocence until proven guilty, or is this a bloomin' dictatorship?

So far, all of the available evidence is against you, L&A. Not much of a rush to judgement when evidence is involved.

[Common Territories]

Delta class being used in bluewell, an MT thread.

Oh, that was with permission. If people are going to accept my word, who I am to stop them?

There is mention of such an almost equally PMT spacecraft which this PMT monstrosity is supposedly designed to launch.

Nah, that's a shuttle on an airship. Virtually prehistoric by comparison.

So why again are you posting "promotional posters" for things that don't exist in MT?

Because it's IC* and it's pretty.

And why are you adding to public missives the idea of such things that don't exist in MT?

Again, different things. You don't think Ausitoria's put all its eggs in one basket, do you? I have five different methods for getting Ausitoria into orbit at lower prices and I'm considering two more, although I don't think they'd be ready yet.

[*An IC promotional picture.]

It is really easy to spot when you lie like that, L&A.

Look, why don't you actually reserve judgement until after all the evidence arrives for once? Innocence until proven guilty, or is this a bloomin' dictatorship?

Because by time you actually present such evidence/make it, the actual thing in question will have been made in RL. Don't get me wrong, I've spent long durations of time on research and product making (but I suppose according to your previous statements, such research papers and articles don't count as science material apparently ), but I've never spent upwards to months and months creating one item - or god forbid fighting with an entire community on it being plausible in MT. I've been doing this for years, I have a firm grasp on what isn't or is MT - granted im not expert in plenty fields, but that's what friends and consultations are for, right? How long? How long has this circular argument about this star destroyer been going on for? The answer is months - I know it has at least been one month since I learned about my move and have completed moving to my new place, which was probably two months ago today. If this star destroyer is so damn important, so vital to your MT threads that you need to spend months fighting about it, why hasn't any evidence been laid out yet? You've had months upon months to find something or write something - it's clear your skeptics aren't satisfied, so where's the evidence? If you are so much more intelligent and free thinking than us, why haven't there been a shred of evidence on your part still? You keep saying now that we have to wait for it to be written by you because you're still researching it - is that not a clear sign that this idea isn't MT!? The answer to all this, in blunt words, is you cannot find evidence to back your claims nor can you find anything that would prove anything you'd put into a write-up. We all know the technology to make these series of ideas simply isn't here in the MT sphere, no matter how liberal your definition for MT is. You simply cannot find evidence that would technologically prove your case, otherwise you'd have shared an article or study about it ages ago. The most I've ever seen to be honest is you saying it works, "trust me", or you naming a random piece of tech that's, yet again, unproven or not MT. Simply put - this star destroyer and other associated items aren't MT, period. To be honest, im sick of this argument constantly coming up just because you have to protect your ego and wankery - I insist for people to still ban you from threads the very moment you propose wanking like this, but I see that wont be happening soon. Im pretty sure we all know there's an underlining reason you keep doing this, but I'll keep my theories to myself for the time being.

Because in all honesty, the difference between say Lamoni or I and you is that we actually link our sources and/or explain our products when asked; I myself link research articles or pages explaining materials/technology for products I make, including armor, material, and other ideas not commonly thought of as MT (or that are vague). I've answered to plenty skeptics in the past including Riysa, INY, Cusc, Lamoni, and a handful of other people who had questions about stuff I've made; I welcome such questions or suggestions since such input could/has improved myself/my products in the past. The difference between you and I is that I don't go telling skeptics to "trust me, im smarter than them because I do science, and I'll have an explanation in a few months after research." I politely address and answer their queries until they're satisfied, not demagogue them for months on end. Using something that doesn't even have research behind it or isn't completed isn't even a thought that crossed my mind - I would go crazy over doing such a thing to be honest. We aren't here to protect reputations or our ego - we're here to enjoy our time doing what we find entertaining and have fun with a diverse crowd doing such activities. Since you've proven to not wish for similar conditions - your ego and sense of control is more important to you - I would highly suggest finding it in your heart to discover some humility, or, cease your PMT/FT wankery in the MT community. This isn't the US Justice System - you're not innocent until proven guilty; though I think you've already had your time in the court of public opinion these past couple of months and have been found guilty by the majority a long ago.

[Asigna]

I look forward that this mess will be over in 3 days time.

Gosh.

[Inyourfaceistan]

There is mention of such an almost equally PMT spacecraft which this PMT monstrosity is supposedly designed to launch.

Nah, that's a shuttle on an airship. Virtually prehistoric by comparison.

"Prehistoric".

So why again are you posting "promotional posters" for things that don't exist in MT?

Because it's IC* and it's pretty.

Well then maybe you should have pointed out that it was just an IC future concept poster an not something that exists with 2016 technology a long time ago, instead of arguing that such a thing exists and is proven to work despite it clearly not existing?

Innocence until proven guilty

Not workable until proven workable.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Again, just a friendly reminder that for those of you interested in RP, we were closer to reaching some kind of conclusion over here.

[Western Pacific Territories]

May I ask, New Aeryriss, since I was accepted to join here by Ardoki, do you think that I might possibly be welcome to join the blockade thread? Especially since it erm... seems that this whole things going to have to be solved with the blockade solution.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Well then maybe you should have pointed out that it was just an IC future concept poster an not something that exists with 2016 technology a long time ago, instead of arguing that such a thing exists and is proven to work despite it clearly not existing?

No, because they're separate arguments.

Look, why don't you actually reserve judgement until after all the evidence arrives for once? Innocence until proven guilty, or is this a bloomin' dictatorship?

So far, all of the available evidence is against you, L&A. Not much of a rush to judgement when evidence is involved.

Well of course all the available evidence is against me if you don't count the evidence that hasn't yet been submitted.

What do they teach you?

[Western Pacific Territories]

So far, all of the available evidence is against you, L&A. Not much of a rush to judgement when evidence is involved.

Well of course all the available evidence is against me if you don't count the evidence that hasn't yet been submitted.

What do they teach you?

And the evidence that hasn't been submitted it op your evidence... maybe we could all benefit if you could explain why you haven't submitted your evidence. But of course you won't. You've dodged the question multiple times because you have no answer.

[Shazbotdom]

Well of course all the available evidence is against me if you don't count the evidence that hasn't yet been submitted.

What do they teach you?

And the evidence that hasn't been submitted it op your evidence... maybe we could all benefit if you could explain why you haven't submitted your evidence. But of course you won't. You've dodged the question multiple times because you have no answer.

Because honestly, from what I have been able to tell in the past few months that have brought me to my senses, he would rather attack the person than provide the evidence. And that is why I am running for PM, because he is more obliged to attack people using schoolyard insults than to actually provide any evidence.

[Lamoni]

And the evidence that hasn't been submitted it op your evidence... maybe we could all benefit if you could explain why you haven't submitted your evidence. But of course you won't. You've dodged the question multiple times because you have no answer.

Because honestly, from what I have been able to tell in the past few months that have brought me to my senses, he would rather attack the person than provide the evidence. And that is why I am running for PM, because he is more obliged to attack people using schoolyard insults than to actually provide any evidence.

Both Shaz and WPT have made very valid points here, L&A.

We can't take into account evidence that does not exist (if it *DID* exist, you would have shown it to us by now, instead of using schoolyard insults).

[Aeyariss]

*Still enjoying the show*

Hmm, I sure hope Ardoki will be active soon, (I kinda miss that Moriarty) otherwise all these argument will be for naught.

I look forward that this mess will be over in 3 days time.

Gosh.

(Image)

^ amen

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Well of course all the available evidence is against me if you don't count the evidence that hasn't yet been submitted.

What do they teach you?

And the evidence that hasn't been submitted it op your evidence... maybe we could all benefit if you could explain why you haven't submitted your evidence. But of course you won't. You've dodged the question multiple times because you have no answer.

Because I'm busy. Answering stupid questions, mostly... catch 22, alas.

*Still enjoying the show*

Hmm, I sure hope Ardoki will be active soon, (I kinda miss that Moriarty) otherwise all these argument will be for naught.

All this argument is for naught anyway. There's no point arguing without evidence. Now if you could kindly stop saying 'starship omg' wherever I go I might actually be more inclined to get around to putting the evidence together than getting around to killing myself in response to the stupidity of this planet.

[Lamoni]

Because I'm busy. Answering stupid questions, mostly... catch 22, alas.

Funny, all I see is questions about when you are going to show your "evidence." Such questions are never stupid.

All this argument is for naught anyway. There's no point arguing without evidence. Now if you could kindly stop saying 'starship omg' wherever I go I might actually be more inclined to get around to putting the evidence together than getting around to killing myself in response to the stupidity of this planet.

Are you finally admitting that you have no evidence, L&A?

We also keep saying "starship," because you yourself keep calling it that in other posts.

[Aeyariss]

Actually I was stalking Asigna's post and happened to stumbled upon this festival of excrement and fun. But you're right, you dont need me to make things worst.

Knock yourself out kids.

[New Aeyariss]

All this argument is for naught anyway. There's no point arguing without evidence. Now if you could kindly stop saying 'starship omg' wherever I go I might actually be more inclined to get around to putting the evidence together than getting around to killing myself in response to the stupidity of this planet.

It is not for naught; everybody, including RPers far exceeding you with experience and skill, have enough of your behaviour. And no, I am not an isolated case - all of us have enough of lying and arguments you present.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Because I'm busy. Answering stupid questions, mostly... catch 22, alas.

Funny, all I see is questions about when you are going to show your "evidence." Such questions are never stupid.

Repetition, on the other hand, is stupid. You go round and round in circles. It's like a merry-go-round, and now you're on it too.

putting the evidence together

Are you finally admitting that you have no evidence, L&A?

Doesn't look like I'm saying that, does it?

[Lamoni]

Repetition, on the other hand, is stupid. You go round and round in circles. It's like a merry-go-round, and now you're on it too.

Except when being forced into repetition because you won't produce any evidence in support of your argument. In other words, any "merry-go-round" action is your fault, not ours.

Doesn't look like I'm saying that, does it?

It sure does, when you can't produce any evidence, despite repeated requests from all sorts of RPers for it.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Repeating a question and expecting an immediate reply does not make me any more likely to have time to deal with the issue at the heart of the question. I appreciate that some of you may not know what it is like to be busy with RL, but I do not anticipate having time to present my arguments before Christmas at the earliest. Now kindly stop bothering me.

[Lamoni]

Repeating a question and expecting an immediate reply does not make me any more likely to have time to deal with the issue at the heart of the question. I appreciate that some of you may not know what it is like to be busy with RL, but I do not anticipate having time to present my arguments before Christmas at the earliest. Now kindly stop bothering me.

Time? If there are academic or military papers about the subject, you could post links to them in less time than it takes you to reply to one of these posts. The time excuse does not work.

[New Aeyariss]

Repeating a question and expecting an immediate reply does not make me any more likely to have time to deal with the issue at the heart of the question. I appreciate that some of you may not know what it is like to be busy with RL, but I do not anticipate having time to present my arguments before Christmas at the earliest. Now kindly stop bothering me.

Time? If there are academic or military papers about the subject, you could post links to them in less time than it takes you to reply to one of these posts. The time excuse does not work.

Not to mention that I kind of offered this dispute to be solved before NS Draftoom.

I think that the real reason though is very simple.

There is no explanation.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Repeating a question and expecting an immediate reply does not make me any more likely to have time to deal with the issue at the heart of the question. I appreciate that some of you may not know what it is like to be busy with RL, but I do not anticipate having time to present my arguments before Christmas at the earliest. Now kindly stop bothering me.

Time? If there are academic or military papers about the subject, you could post links to them in less time than it takes you to reply to one of these posts. The time excuse does not work.

I can assure you that to present such a complicated subject involving so many details will probably require about ten pages, and naturally it is nowhere near the top of my list of priorities.

So, until then, this merry-go-round will continue for as long as you care to keep repeating the same thing and wasting everybody's time.

[Aeyariss]

Well, no one appreciates you sarcasm remarks. If you're so busy may I suggest that you could just kindly list out your so called references to your so called 'evidence' for the issues at hand so that the excellent researchers here can do our own investigation?

Otherwise, cut the arguing is another suggestion of mine.

There, finally, I am giving my 2cents.

Peace, kids.