Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

IYF, the world needs people like you who find it hard to believe anything new is possible. However the world does not need people who cannot discriminate between probable and improbable.

I showed you earlier, but whatever. I'm not sure if I've still got the TG, but you can see that Lolomz accepted this.

You realize that Romic withdrew his money literally two posts BEFORE you took over, right?

Nobody approved it, it was literally only two posts.

Yeah. I am working now on a space weapon - codename white horse - that will be used to down that oversized space blimp . And it is actually based on RL tech...

Let us see who can design better space weapon...

Golly, you need a space weapon to down it? Ausitoria could down it with a single machine gun and a bit of intelligence...

[Romic]

You really don't understand the creative process, do you?

Now look, we've been through this before. People have clever ideas about things which haven't been done before.

(Usually based on something).

QED.

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

I showed you earlier, but whatever. I'm not sure if I've still got the TG, but you can see that Lolomz accepted this.

And actually, the burden of proof isn't on me, because I don't care about what you think, I only care about what I think is right. The burden of proof is on you to change my mind, if you can.

As for Cyberattacks I'm talking your biggest businesses, banks, stock market, your power stations, oh and let's not forget your gov't and military.

Yeah, well, the burden of proof is on you to say how it would be successful.

Actually no the burden of proof is on you. I can provide evidence I deposited and withdrew before your alledged takeover, where as you simply have a statement on thete that say you took it over with the okay. Where you have no proof such a thing took place.

I on the otherhand can say just about any tech thing to make it happen. However I don't reveal what I do to non friends in the OOC I let myself do it IC.

I like how you try to push all the burden of proof on me. You can't take responsibility for anything yourself that means your defeat. Now I can say this. You don't have 3 trillion of my cash. That's gone and so is that fund. You have nothing that shows proof of ownership and you sure aren't the OP. To that fund and to me you "taking what is right" is a load of crap and is nothing.

You also realize no one has to approve of me taking money out of a voluntary fun right?

[Aravea]

You really don't understand the creative process, do you?

Now look, we've been through this before. People have clever ideas about things which haven't been done before.

(Usually based on something).

QED.

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

I showed you earlier, but whatever. I'm not sure if I've still got the TG, but you can see that Lolomz accepted this.

And actually, the burden of proof isn't on me, because I don't care about what you think, I only care about what I think is right. The burden of proof is on you to change my mind, if you can.

As for Cyberattacks I'm talking your biggest businesses, banks, stock market, your power stations, oh and let's not forget your gov't and military.

Yeah, well, the burden of proof is on you to say how it would be successful.

Ausitoria are you really that daft? The burden of proof does not shift simply because you think that you are right or because you don't care what someone thinks. When you present a ludicrous or impossible claim, then it is on you to provide evidence for it(or to refute counter arguments. Case in point would be your vacuum airships, destruction of torpedoes by accoustaic emissions, and your supposed invulenarbility to cyber attacks. Now in certain rps there can be a lot of leeway, but when it comes to MT it is expected that you provide evidence to back it up.(For example your refusal to provide your "notes" that state the feasbility of your Delta class ships in MT). That is without even mentioning your refusal to listen to the Military realism mentors such as Maccabees or Lamoni.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Romic, Aravea, how's this for a new deal: you do what you like, I'll do what I like?

Anyway, this is not the place for this sort of discussion. (Even if Ardoki may be a little like Belgium, a place seemingly invented for France and Germany to settle their differences).

[Romic]

Romic, Aravea, how's this for a new deal: you do what you like, I'll do what I like?

Anyway, this is not the place for this sort of discussion. (Even if Ardoki may be a little like Belgium, a place seemingly invented for France and Germany to settle their differences).

Oh so you have no proof and just wanna do whatever? You can't do anything but wave everything off if it doesn't suit you? Man it must be great.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

You also realize no one has to approve of me taking money out of a voluntary fun right?

No?

Ausitoria are you really that daft?

Obviously not, that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Clearly you must have misunderstood me, or been misled, or just be plain wrong (again).

destruction of torpedoes by accoustaic emissions

Actually, Lamoni agreed with that when I explained the circumstances.

(For example your refusal to provide your "notes" that state the feasbility of your Delta class ships in MT).

It's not a refusal, I simply haven't finished writing them yet. You lot are in such a hurry - which brings us back to Ardoki. Some of us get bored with you lot and prefer RL.

[Inyourfaceistan]

IYF, the world needs people like you who find it hard to believe anything new is possible. However the world does not need people who cannot discriminate between probable and improbable.

Not what I believe at all.
I believe any new finding should be, you know, FOUND, before I believe it. And most certainly said findings should be published and reviewed or tested by experts in that field.

And I have seen no such thing. No NASA tests of massive sub orbital vacuum airships. No private contractor being employed to weaponize such a platform, none of the world's top military powers undergoing experimental trial phases of such a device. Nothing.

All I got was one patent saying something vaguely like what you describe might be possible in the future; and mostly just some kid on the Internet claiming he knows how to build giant vacuum star destroyers...

So my bad if I take such an illogical, unsourced and completely baseless claim as bullshit...

Nobody approved it, it was literally only two posts.

Nobody denied it.
And I didn't see anyone approve you either...

[Romic]

You also realize no one has to approve of me taking money out of a voluntary fun right?

No?

Ausitoria are you really that daft?

Obviously not, that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Clearly you must have misunderstood me, or been misled, or just be plain wrong (again).

destruction of torpedoes by accoustaic emissions

Actually, Lamoni agreed with that when I explained the circumstances.

(For example your refusal to provide your "notes" that state the feasbility of your Delta class ships in MT).

It's not a refusal, I simply haven't finished writing them yet. You lot are in such a hurry - which brings us back to Ardoki. Some of us get bored with you lot and prefer RL.

So the notes arent done and you expect us to take your word. Sorry burden of proof it works is on you and your word is worthless to me.

[Aravea]

You also realize no one has to approve of me taking money out of a voluntary fun right?

No?

Ausitoria are you really that daft?

Obviously not, that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it? Clearly you must have misunderstood me, or been misled, or just be plain wrong (again).

destruction of torpedoes by accoustaic emissions

Actually, Lamoni agreed with that when I explained the circumstances.

(For example your refusal to provide your "notes" that state the feasbility of your Delta class ships in MT).

It's not a refusal, I simply haven't finished writing them yet. You lot are in such a hurry - which brings us back to Ardoki. Some of us get bored with you lot and prefer RL.

*Will do a reply once I get back from running a few errands.

[New Aeyariss]

Actually, Lamoni agreed with that when I explained the circumstances.

So I take that "shouting at torpedoes to give them orders " or defending acoustic datalinks wasn't what he warned you against?

You lot are in such a hurry - which brings us back to Ardoki. Some of us get bored with you lot and prefer RL.

And some of us wish RPing community was a nice place where were aren't trolled by people with obsession about their ego, with no offense.

Not what I believe at all.
I believe any new finding should be, you know, FOUND, before I believe it. And most certainly said findings should be published and reviewed or tested by experts in that field.

And I have seen no such thing. No NASA tests of massive sub orbital vacuum airships. No private contractor being employed to weaponize such a platform, none of the world's top military powers undergoing experimental trial phases of such a device. Nothing.

Well the major issue is that Ausitoria now claims that "he likes testing out what goes out beyond current technology". I have no issues - actually I relaxed my standards a lot for Dienstadis. But the whole problem is, Ausitoria should have said that instead of trying to shove it down MT community as "realistic", especially with this kind of behaviour which me and my friends were subject to.

[Inyourfaceistan]

- sarcastic post about believing unsourced claims on the Internet deleted -

[Flardania]

How about we not use this thread for another argument in which both sides say the same thing in the same order like all the other arguments

[New Aeyariss]

So the notes arent done and you expect us to take your word. Sorry burden of proof it works is on you and your word is worthless to me.

But... But... We are on the Internet!

It doesn't matter that the world's top scientists haven't been able to prove its possible, this kid says so therefore it must be true!

Silly Romic with your silly rules of academic debate, don't you know how the interwebz work?

To be frank it would have been far easier if we were approached in that way:

"Yeah, I know that this design isn't realistic or MT. It is based on probable technology that I believe may be existing in future; but you know, I think it would be nice to exploit, from time to time, some experimental concept. Perhaps if not here, we could do other RP from time to time, maybe character based one?"

This is proper RPing attitude in this community. Ironically, I am now on very good terms with NRR, and even I helped him organize his military's actions in Bluewell - same with advising few other IFC members. I write ORBATs for my enemies who couldn't have written them on their own.

Ausitoria: I talked with several IFC folks, several Hemitheans - maybe it is something in you that is causing all this? Never thought of that?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

And some of us wish RPing community was a nice place where were aren't trolled by people with obsession about their ego, with no offense.

I would say exactly that about you. Funny how people often think about things in terms of themselves. What makes you think I care tuppence what you think about me? Whereas with you you're always talking about 'earning respect' and that sort of tomfoolery. Respect is incidental and ephemeral, whereas the truth (if one can ever work it out) always is.

I believe any new finding should be, you know, FOUND, before I believe it.

Quite, that's why I don't use any new technology, just new combinations.

So the notes arent done and you expect us to take your word. Sorry burden of proof it works is on you and your word is worthless to me.

It's a question of making it comprehensible. Most of you haven't studied science, engineering, and economics. Or even two of them. I'm not very good at explaining complicated things, and obviously it's more complicated than most of the stuff I come up with.

And I didn't see anyone approve you either...

So what? If you can remember how stubborn Lolomz was, I think you'd have expected him to say if I was making stuff up, rather than just posting normally.

[Asigna]

This thread is on fire.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Ausitoria: I talked with several IFC folks, several Hemitheans - maybe it is something in you that is causing all this? Never thought of that?

Good god, of course I think differently from you. Imagine if everyone was the same. Everybody would be trying to live in the same house and do the same job and marry the same person! Do everyone a favour, and stop trying to persuade me to think exactly like you, accept me for who I am, and embrace a bit of liberal philosophy. If you want too.

[New Aeyariss]

I would say exactly that about you. Funny how people often think about things in terms of themselves. What makes you think I care tuppence what you think about me? Whereas with you you're always talking about 'earning respect' and that sort of tomfoolery. Respect is incidental and ephemeral, whereas the truth (if one can ever work it out) always is.

Unlike you, I am fully aware of my drawbacks. And I think that everybody in this community may see now the truth over who is really starting the drama.

Care to reply to my whole post instead of selecting?

It's a question of making it comprehensible. Most of you haven't studied science, engineering, and economics. Or even two of them. I'm not very good at explaining complicated things, and obviously it's more complicated than most of the stuff I come up with.

On the contrary. Both Riysa and IYF are biologists, Riysa actually works in a labolatory. I myself come from national security background, which included study of economics, and spent long time reading various Austrian classics such as Mises, Hoppe or Hayek, as much as learning about military. I even had a chance to access former minister of defense, if that interests you so much.

Good god, of course I think differently from you. Imagine if everyone was the same. Everybody would be trying to live in the same house and do the same job and marry the same person! Do everyone a favour, and stop trying to persuade me to think exactly like you, accept me for who I am, and embrace a bit of liberal philosophy. If you want too.

No. There are some common rules in RPing community that were created for it's benefit and continual existence. If you think that this place serves to show other people how big ego you have, then sorry - that is not the place for it.

[Romic]

And some of us wish RPing community was a nice place where were aren't trolled by people with obsession about their ego, with no offense.

I would say exactly that about you. Funny how people often think about things in terms of themselves. What makes you think I care tuppence what you think about me? Whereas with you you're always talking about 'earning respect' and that sort of tomfoolery. Respect is incidental and ephemeral, whereas the truth (if one can ever work it out) always is.

I believe any new finding should be, you know, FOUND, before I believe it.

Quite, that's why I don't use any new technology, just new combinations.

So the notes arent done and you expect us to take your word. Sorry burden of proof it works is on you and your word is worthless to me.

It's a question of making it comprehensible. Most of you haven't studied science, engineering, and economics. Or even two of them. I'm not very good at explaining complicated things, and obviously it's more complicated than most of the stuff I come up with.

And I didn't see anyone approve you either...

So what? If you can remember how stubborn Lolomz was, I think you'd have expected him to say if I was making stuff up, rather than just posting normally.

No it not it's complicated things believe it or not I study Cyberwarfare, Politics, Economics, and everything Science and I chose non of those fields to work in. You just either A) have no notes B) Know it's not possible and just want to cause problems or C) Don't know what you're talking about.

And Lolmoz is CTE and has been for a while so your point is mute.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Evidently you never studied logic, because there is a fourth option.

Unlike you, I am fully aware of my drawbacks.

Unlike you, I have rectified my drawbacks. There is not much left of me, but at least what there is is probably right.

Care to reply to my whole post instead of selecting?

Life is too short to waste much of it on people who won't change their minds about things that matter. I value creativity above all. You don't. You're probably never going to shift on that (or anything), for me it's the only thing I still believe in, besides tautologies...

There are some common rules in RPing community that were created for it's benefit and continual existence.

Yes, and either you don't know what they are, or the RPing community ought to learn a spot of applied probability to improve its existence. (Radical thoughts aren't they? I expect you hate them for exactly that reason).

Now, if you were to take my advise you'd think in detail about the borders between subjectivity and objectivity, and throw in an understanding of multi-variant probability, and then you might start to see the world from my point of view. Probable logic is so much more applicable than certain logic.

And then all of us could get on with actually RPing instead of skirmishing over exactly what is reasonable or certain and what isn't and who cares.

[Romic]

Actually I do study logic and logic dictates unless there is evidence (which you haven't provides) of another option not to present it as an option.

[New Aeyariss]

Unlike you, I have rectified my drawbacks. There is not much left of me, but at least what there is is probably right.

On the contrary. Everybody - IFC members included - is having enough of drama you are causing.

Life is too short to waste much of it on people who won't change their minds about things that matter. I value creativity above all. You don't. You're probably never going to shift on that (or anything), for me it's the only thing I still believe in, besides tautologies...

On the contrary. The very fact that I allowed to bring you that blimp (though so I could bring it down, I will admit it) means something. Problem is that you never tried debating - all we had was constant stream of pointless arguments and shouting. But, what could we expect from someone who claims that he is RPing here for his own pleasure?

RPing isn't about one's pleasure - it is about pleasure of all. Only by respecting your fellow RPer you can attain a stable RPing - but as you yourself said, it is not for you. Therefore you will NEVER be able to RP in such situation. Tried myself RPing like that long ago - I mocked my opponents when they lost IC battles, kept pressuring them - and nothing came out of it. Thus I changed. And so I recommend to you.

Yes, and either you don't know what they are, or the RPing community ought to learn a spot of applied probability to improve its existence. (Radical thoughts aren't they? I expect you hate them for exactly that reason).

I think I had several RPing mentors explain that to you - Macabees especially. Do you know that Lamoni begged me on TGs to kick you out of that thread? If you don't believe, go and ask him. This means something.

Now, if you were to take my advise you'd think in detail about the borders between subjectivity and objectivity, and throw in an understanding of multi-variant probability, and then you might start to see the world from my point of view. Probable logic is so much more applicable than certain logic.

And at the same time there will always be someone who will find a hole in your "theory", because probability is based on probable theory which isn't 100% evidenced. The vacuum airship argument is best example of that mindset - we kept finding holes in all, and you not only refused to comment on them, but started making pointless arguments which really had nothing to do with logic, you recommended me to study.

Additionally, I kind of also wanted to remind you that you are material scientist; daring to say, with no offense, you knowledge of technology outside that is pretty low, knowledge of military theory - even lower. Problem is that instead of listening to people who actually posses knowledge of this stuff and wanted to help you (I myself sent you my lecture about radio communications when you complained about "unrealistic military talk"). Multiple people on this site are servicemen who would eagerly have helped you, but why bother if you can expand your ego?

And then all of us could get on with actually RPing instead of skirmishing over exactly what is reasonable or certain and what isn't and who cares.

I am fully waiting for your post in Bluewell .

[Inyourfaceistan]

I believe any new finding should be, you know, FOUND, before I believe it. And most certainly said findings should be published and reviewed or tested by experts in that field.

And I have seen no such thing. No NASA tests of massive sub orbital vacuum airships. No private contractor being employed to weaponize such a platform, none of the world's top military powers undergoing experimental trial phases of such a device. Nothing.

All I got was one patent saying something vaguely like what you describe might be possible in the future; and mostly just some kid on the Internet claiming he knows how to build giant vacuum star destroyers...

So my bad if I take such an illogical, unsourced and completely baseless claim as bullshit...

Quite, that's why I don't use any new technology, just new combinations.

Great then. Looks like we agree on something!

Let's take for example my invention, the IEK-88C Taipan Block II air-superiority fighter. It is a design like several variants of the Su-27 family including the Su-33 as well as F-15 ACTIVE including both canards and rear horizontal stabilizers in addition to a thrust vectoring nozzle. It features the same LPI AESA radar as is found in the F-22 Raptor and an IRST system similar to Optronique Secteur Frontal found on the Dassault Rafale. The engines are actually made in Nihon, and I'm not certain what he based them upon but super cruise is a proven ability found on several Gen 4 - Gen 5 fighter aircraft. It's speed is just a little less than what the F-15 can do, and it's fuel consumption and air-to-air payload aren't anyting the Flanker family mentioned above can't do.

So what real life working models is your Delta class similar to again?

Most of you haven't studied science

Bullshit.
This is coming from the kid who can't be bothered to provide a source and thinks creativity and immagination are more important than valid evidence and the scientific method.

And I didn't see anyone approve you either...

So what? If you can remember how stubborn Lolomz was, I think you'd have expected him to say if I was making stuff up, rather than just posting normally.[/quote]

By this same logic I think you would have expected him to deny Romic's withdrawl instead of just posting normally.

Do everyone a favour, and stop trying to persuade me to think exactly like you

Right back at you!
Considering it was you who barged into our MT RP'ing sphere...
SACTO was involved in canon with nations like Asigna, Ardoki, Guad, etc. long before you came and charged in on our universe with your egotistical anti-science, anti-factual PMT borderline FT garbage. So no. It's you who needs to stop trying to force us to play by your rules in which you can reject facts and logic in favor of fantasy and creativity.

[Aeyariss]

This thread is on fire.

Yep.

[New Aeyariss]

This thread is on fire.

Yep.

Are you not the guy who wanted the world to burn ?

BTW what about our thread? I am still waiting for reply. I finally want to have a proper RP away from all this childrenery... But I have some matters to finish in his community first.

[Aeyariss]

Are you not the guy who wanted the world to burn ?

Not in OOC manner though. But this is gold.

BTW what about our thread? I am still waiting for reply. I finally want to have a proper RP away from all this childrenery... But I have some matters to finish in his community first.

Mental block got the best of me. Cant write anything after so long.