Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Flardania]

I don't think any of this is fair, that's probably an overreaction, but that's honestly how I feel. I've witnessed selfish expectations that I should neglect my study, hypocritical expectations of my acceptance of things I never agreed to, plus a whole lot of insults and character defamation when I dared to object. I'm very thankful for some people who have defended me and accepted that some things I've had to deal with have been unreasonable, and I won't forget that. But some others, have just made me lose faith in NS (and humanity to a lesser extent).

You are treating a damn game like something more than it really is. Chill ...

To be fair Ardoki has been getting A lot of heat of this. He kind of has the right to be at least frustrated regardless of it being a game.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

No it didn't.

(See clauses 6 and 7, if you care to check).

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Several IFC members had obviously different view on the issue than Ausitorian government - citing the fact that I have been involved in some planing . OS for example made it clear since the day one that he was going to begin military occupation, and I myself remember coordinating invasion plans with other IFC members.

And I myself remember getting them to put it all on hold.

Anyway, I would have to say Flardania is quite right, I certainly see no reason why Ardoki should be accused of running away or breaking any agreement. Both RPs and IC organizations are freely entered into and freely exited; they exist as ties of mutual convenience. The ties looked as though they were going to work, and nobody is to blame for them not working.

I for one bear Ardoki no hard feelings whatever, and anybody who does is probably being an idiot.

[New Aeyariss]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Several IFC members had obviously different view on the issue than Ausitorian government - citing the fact that I have been involved in some planing . OS for example made it clear since the day one that he was going to begin military occupation, and I myself remember coordinating invasion plans with other IFC members.

And I myself remember getting them to put it all on hold.

Anyway, I would have to say Flardania is quite right, I certainly see no reason why Ardoki should be accused of running away or breaking any agreement. Both RPs and IC organizations are freely entered into and freely exited; they exist as ties of mutual convenience. The ties looked as though they were going to work, and nobody is to blame for them not working.

I for one bear Ardoki no hard feelings whatever, and anybody who does is probably being an idiot.

Let us see...

And if I were you, I would have already mobilized; Asigna just exchanged first fires with coalition's forces. Looks like I finally am getting my dream realized... Not to mention your complete failure to respond to Imperion's blockade and Aravean forces about to roll into Arisal...

Yeah. Personally every nation Ausitoria declared to protect, with exception of Aeyariss is a target of the Empire of Greater Nihon. Let's see how strong Ausitorian military is... or rather, for the entire world to enjoy Ausitorian weakness .

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Ausitoria has achieved everything it wanted to in each of these conflicts: death among those who do not do exactly what Ausitoria wants.

Why, you seem to have some extraordinary idea that Ausitoria needs to take military measures against its allies. But only those in a weak position ever need to fight.

If you knew what Ausitoria wanted, you would see that Ausitoria is getting almost everything it wants in Bluewell, got exactly what it wanted in New Roma, got almost everything it wanted in Ardoki, got almost everything it wanted in the Sea of Juarez dispute, and will probably get exactly what it wants in that combat too: the destruction of everybody who opposes what they stand for and the survival of all who support liberalism, at negligible cost to Ausitoria. Since Asigna is at best a dubious semi-dictatorship, Ausitoria has no reason to protect their government, only non-combatants, and I can assure you they will have no trouble doing that.

[New Aeyariss]

Ausitoria has achieved everything it wanted to in each of these conflicts: death among those who do not do exactly what Ausitoria wants.

Why, you seem to have some extraordinary idea that Ausitoria needs to take military measures against its allies. But only those in a weak position ever need to fight.

If you knew what Ausitoria wanted, you would see that Ausitoria is getting almost everything it wants in Bluewell, got exactly what it wanted in New Roma, got almost everything it wanted in Ardoki, got almost everything it wanted in the Sea of Juarez dispute, and will probably get exactly what it wants in that combat too: the destruction of everybody who opposes what they stand for and the survival of all who support liberalism, at negligible cost to Ausitoria. Since Asigna is at best a dubious semi-dictatorship, Ausitoria has no reason to protect their government, only non-combatants, and I can assure you they will have no trouble doing that.

And is the fact that Inyursta has retained 75km territorial waters despite continuous Ausitorian screaming, that Imperion Coalition forbidden Ausitorian vessels from entering their waters (Ausitoria done nothing about it) - or even the fact even Feng can forbid "Free navigation" to Ausitorian vessels and Ausitorian navy hadn't done a thing part of it?

If I were you, I would have been preparing to fulfill your promise from here:

First, the importance of maritime trade. I believe we are all already aware that in real life most of the world’s international trade is seabourne. The Commonwealth, being composed of about a dozen major island groups, and with nowhere more than a thousand kilometres from the coast; is also in the position where the vast majority of its interstate trade is seabourne. Therefore I estimate the sustained loss of command of the seas would likely lead to a 80% fall in GDP – virtually identical in effect to a major nuclear strike. Quite apart from the purely economic implications, the Commonwealth would immediately be dissolved under social pressure. As such there is very little difference in the choice between 'humiliation' and nuclear war; humiliation in such circumstances is so terrible that a limited nuclear war would likely have a lesser impact.

Time to choose - Imperial Nihonese Navy will be moving soon to close off strait of Malucang to any Ausitorian shipping. Cuscatlanis closed Martinez canal already. Ausitoria again and again shown it's weakness and - as it itself called "Hydra chicken" - chickened out of the fight several times, constantly changing sides and agendas just to stay popular. But this time is different. Multiple nations will follow Nihon with full embargo and closing all straits to Ausitorian vessels.

Ready ?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

But Ausitoria hasn't lost out. They got their money back, and used offset trade. Try all you like to strike at Ausitoria, but you'll have to get up earlier in the morning to actually do any damage to their interests.

[Inyourfaceistan]

got almost everything it wanted in the Sea of Juarez dispute

Oh really? Really?

You must really be changing the goal posts if you think that me and Cusc being able to do this and you completely unable to keep the sea lane open for even seconds counts as you getting anything out of that dispute...

[Romic]

The Empire of Romic will gladly stand with our Nihonese allies.

[Romic]

But Ausitoria hasn't lost out. They got their money back, and used offset trade. Try all you like to strike at Ausitoria, but you'll have to get up earlier in the morning to actually do any damage to their interests.

Also not able to do that since it was taken out long before you took over, plus retconned from my cannon years ago. Might I also suggest that the fund is dead and the reason so was because the money wasn't being used to help nation build their countries rather their militaries.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

How about we do a deal? You retcon what you like, I'll retcon what I like.

got almost everything it wanted in the Sea of Juarez dispute

Oh really? Really?

You must really be changing the goal posts if you think that me and Cusc being able to do this and you completely unable to keep the sea lane open for even seconds counts as you getting anything out of that dispute...

Oh, Canals are fair game. Anyway, I can assure you I am completely satisfied with my own calculations, and don't care what you think.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Not too sure what random sums of money from third party sources have to do with who controls a sea lane but okay, whatever...

[New Aeyariss]

But Ausitoria hasn't lost out. They got their money back, and used offset trade. Try all you like to strike at Ausitoria, but you'll have to get up earlier in the morning to actually do any damage to their interests.

You mean loosing maritime dominance is not in Ausitorian interests? The moment when Imperial Nihonese Navy cuts SLOCS ensuring that free trade will no longer be possible ? It proves again and again that Kapiza was able to do was to scream but nothing outside that - and perhaps another series of cyberattacks on the stock exchange should be a wake up call ?

This time they will be even more painful.

[Romic]

How about we do a deal? You retcon what you like, I'll retcon what I like.

I did that years ago and took the money out because the fund was being improperly used. Also you arent the OP you have no proof the OP gave you control. If you'd like rather I could RP a cyberattack on your nation getting the money back bankrupting your nation and cutting off your power supply?

We also hear a lot about your calculations of which you have proven none of them, like your spaceship that would never function. Provide your calculations or quiet down. You are literally spewing crap.

[Inyourfaceistan]

How about we do a deal? You retcon what you like, I'll retcon what I like.

I did that years ago and took the money out because the fund was being improperly used. Also you arent the OP you have no proof the OP gave you control. If you'd like rather I could RP a cyberattack on your nation getting the money back bankrupting your nation and cutting off your power supply?

Don't even bother with it man. If you took the money out then you took it out. End of story.

Again, in common 2rian tactics he is trying to distract us with a red herring to draw attention away from the fact he is unable to keep sea lanes open even though he made a big fuss about how in his world view they are de-jure international waters...

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

But Ausitoria hasn't lost out. They got their money back, and used offset trade. Try all you like to strike at Ausitoria, but you'll have to get up earlier in the morning to actually do any damage to their interests.

You mean loosing maritime dominance is not in Ausitorian interests?

You really do think Cuscy would actually win in a war, don't you? Perhaps we should actually take a serious look at would would happen some time... but it'll have to wait, I've got quite enough other RPs to be getting on with.

How about we do a deal? You retcon what you like, I'll retcon what I like.

I did that years ago and took the money out because the fund was being improperly used.

No you didn't.

Also you arent the OP you have no proof the OP gave you control.

Yes I do.

If you'd like rather I could RP a cyberattack on your nation getting the money back bankrupting your nation and cutting off your power supply?

Wouldn't work.

[Romic]

You mean loosing maritime dominance is not in Ausitorian interests?

You really do think Cuscy would actually win in a war, don't you? Perhaps we should actually take a serious look at would would happen some time... but it'll have to wait, I've got quite enough other RPs to be getting on with.

I did that years ago and took the money out because the fund was being improperly used.

No you didn't.

Also you arent the OP you have no proof the OP gave you control.

Yes I do.

If you'd like rather I could RP a cyberattack on your nation getting the money back bankrupting your nation and cutting off your power supply?

Wouldn't work.

Can't control it if you arent OP. Also yeah I did approx 3 days after invested

I really, really want you to tell me how I can't conduct a cyberattack on your nation.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

The OP handed it over to me.

As for cyberattacks, I assume there are millions on Ausitoria every few seconds/hours/decades; you can't expect me to RP them all, only the ones that would likely be successful.

[New Aeyariss]

I did that years ago and took the money out because the fund was being improperly used. Also you arent the OP you have no proof the OP gave you control. If you'd like rather I could RP a cyberattack on your nation getting the money back bankrupting your nation and cutting off your power supply?

That is a good idea Romic. I think you should accept that he took it, then unleash storm of the century on Ausitorian stock exchange. I am pretty eager to see what you can do - except this time Ausitoria won't be able to claim that since he spends 2% of his GDP on it, his nation is hackerproof.

You really do think Cuscy would actually win in a war, don't you? Perhaps we should actually take a serious look at would would happen some time... but it'll have to wait, I've got quite enough other RPs to be getting on with.

Of course. If you mean you will use nukes, I have several soviet military theoreticians who fully believed that a nuclear war is winnable - and I have my own ideas on how to counter everything you have. There is a reason why Ausitorian military is laughingstock of everyone with an actual military knowledge, especially after what it demonstrated in Bluewell.

There is something that Nihonese have and Ausitorians lack - and that thing is called determination and aggressive male culture. It were barbarian Goths who sacked Rome, after all.

So it means you are dropping out of Bluewell?

[Aravea]

How about we do a deal? You retcon what you like, I'll retcon what I like.

Oh really? Really?

You must really be changing the goal posts if you think that me and Cusc being able to do this and you completely unable to keep the sea lane open for even seconds counts as you getting anything out of that dispute...

Oh, Canals are fair game. Anyway, I can assure you I am completely satisfied with my own calculations, and don't care what you think.

What a fitting display of your true nature and rping style. Truly bravo on summing it up so beautifully Ausitoria. See you might not remember, but I have had the pleasure of watching you rp within UEF, IFC, and Hemithea. At your core you seek to ensure that your views or rather your agenda are the dominant one. To achieve this you use underhanded means such as intimidation, manipulation, or even outright bribery. However should that fail and people actually call your bluffs what do you resort to? One of two things:either wanking your capabilities to an absurdly unrealistic degree(ie your military forces and your supposed economic power). Failing that you fall back upon your only truly successful method, retconning or outright ignoring rp events. Let's face it Ausitoria, what matters to you is not the art of rping or even a narrative, but rather that your views or desire for power are met. Be it in UEF, Hemithea, or IFC, that is the one thing that has remained unchanged about you since 2011. As for your supposed victories...Well let me lay down a little truth for you...You didn't get what you wanted in the Sea of Juarez dispute, you certainly aren't getting what you want in Bluewell....and more importantly to me you aren't getting what you want in Arsal. In the Sea of Juarez dispute you failed to actually engage icly without using impossible tech or resorting to ooc methods of attack(ie creating endless arguments or denigrating opponents.) As for Bluewell...Well the fact that you are alienating members of the IFC in the name of pushing your agenda, well that speaks for itself.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Well, you've got to believe in your own vision, or change it if you don't. I'm having fun here, you can have a miserable time all you like.

That is a good idea Romic. I think you should accept that he took it, then unleash storm of the century on Ausitorian stock exchange. I am pretty eager to see what you can do - except this time Ausitoria won't be able to claim that since he spends 2% of his GDP on it, his nation is hackerproof.

Now now Cuscy, no RPing other people's damages, that's terribly bad form. Although obviously you only play by your rules.

There is something that Nihonese have and Ausitorians lack - and that thing is called determination and aggressive male culture. It were barbarian Goths who sacked Rome, after all.

Ah, I am confident that if I live to be a hundred thousand no-one who thinks like that will still be alive. All it requires is a little bit of intelligence.

So it means you are dropping out of Bluewell?

No, why? Just busy putting the finishes touches to my post.

[Romic]

The OP handed it over to me.

As for cyberattacks, I assume there are millions on Ausitoria every few seconds/hours/decades; you can't expect me to RP them all, only the ones that would likely be successful.

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

As for Cyberattacks I'm talking your biggest businesses, banks, stock market, your power stations, oh and let's not forget your gov't and military.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I really, really want you to tell me how I can't conduct a cyberattack on your nation.

Dude, don't bother...

Do you know how long I spent trying to get this guy to give a source, any fucking source, that his little sci-fi vacuum star destroyer is even a blueprint that any military scientist or engineer of any real life country has drawn up?

Dont bother. You will just open a Pandora's Box of utter bullshit that will probably center around fallacy which I already destroyed. You can't expect someone who lives in a fantasy world to understand things like logic and evidence...

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

See this is what I'm saying... For someone like you or me with an educated academic background, we believe in concepts like burden of proof.
He clearly doesn't. He just makes shit up on a whim so long as it suits is insatiable desire for self-satisfaction and projection of his ego.

It's not worth it to expect him to provide evidence...

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

You really don't understand the creative process, do you?

Now look, we've been through this before. People have clever ideas about things which haven't been done before.

(Usually based on something).

QED.

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

I showed you earlier, but whatever. I'm not sure if I've still got the TG, but you can see that Lolomz accepted this.

And actually, the burden of proof isn't on me, because I don't care about what you think, I only care about what I think is right. The burden of proof is on you to change my mind, if you can.

As for Cyberattacks I'm talking your biggest businesses, banks, stock market, your power stations, oh and let's not forget your gov't and military.

Yeah, well, the burden of proof is on you to say how it would be successful.

[Inyourfaceistan]

You really don't understand the creative process, do you?

And you don't understand the scientific process.
So let's just agree to disagree, shall we?

I will take my facts, logic, evidence, burden of proof, realism, etc, and you can keep your Sci-Fi, creativity, imagination, artistic fantasy, etc, and we can both be on our way...

Where's your proof? The burden of proof is on you. Also on top of the if you tried to post in that thread guess what OP is gone it'd get locked for gravedig.

I showed you earlier, but whatever. I'm not sure if I've still got the TG, but you can see that Lolomz accepted this.

You realize that Romic withdrew his money literally two posts BEFORE you took over, right?

[New Aeyariss]

You really don't understand the creative process, do you?

Now look, we've been through this before. People have clever ideas about things which haven't been done before.

(Usually based on something).

QED.

Yeah. I am working now on a space weapon - codename white horse - that will be used to down that oversized space blimp . And it is actually based on RL tech...

Let us see who can design better space weapon...