Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Gauliscia]

Just for clarification I'm not against cooperation or negotiation OOC'ly - quite the opposite.

However IC'ly unless Ardoki does a full 180^o turnabout and accepts the Inyurstan ultimatum don't expect any more attempts to negotiate after diplomacy has, predictably, broken down...

Hmmmm

I'd better do my thing fast. Before you negotiate with him..

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

It is now that Ausitoria is also inclined in favour of an invasion of Ardoki. Anything Ausitoria agrees with is a majority position. (That's what Ausitoria means when they say that Ausitoria's interests and the IFC's interests and the International Community's interests are the same bloody thing - they're always in a majority when there's a proper balance of power).

So Ausitoria is so weak that it can not even have it's own foreign policy? No wonder that it gets dominated by Nihon over and over again

Ausitoria is in a position where everything they want happens, and you think Ausitoria is weak?

Is English even your first language? Or do you just believe your own propoganda?

Ausitoria wanted Ardoki to have another chance. They got it. They wanted what they did with the chance to be their own choice. It was. Now they want justice to be done unto Ardoki. It will happen.

Best of all, they had a democratic majority backing them at every stage. I'm actually quite impressed with the centrist establishment - it looked a bit hairy at times, but in the end they achieved absolutely everything they wanted. Really this marks the eclipse of SACTO as the premier diplomatic power.

[Flardania]

So Ausitoria is so weak that it can not even have it's own foreign policy? No wonder that it gets dominated by Nihon over and over again

Ausitoria is in a position where everything they want happens, and you think Ausitoria is weak?

Is English even your first language? Or do you just believe your own propoganda?

Ausitoria wanted Ardoki to have another chance. They got it. They wanted what they did with the chance to be their own choice. It was. Now they want justice to be done unto Ardoki. It will happen.

Best of all, they had a democratic majority backing them at every stage. I'm actually quite impressed with the centrist establishment - it looked a bit hairy at times, but in the end they achieved absolutely everything they wanted. Really this marks the eclipse of SACTO as the premier diplomatic power.

TBH that's nothing more than an opinion

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

It's more likely to be true than some of the blundering nonsense I've heard about the economic prowess of low wage nations.

[Inyourfaceistan]

*Sigh* Here comes the ego monster again here to tell us all how f***king great he is...

Ausitoria is in a position where everything they want happens

Except in this case, where you didn't get to reform Ardoki and didn't get to have economic influence in Ardoki.

On top of it considering diplomacy broke down and now the aggressive crowd is saying "we told you so" to the passive crowd, it looks like you were wrong too...

and you think Ausitoria is weak?

Well unless that joke of a military operation you posted against Ralk was intentional disinfo hiding your true military potential we can effectively rule out Ausitoria as being in any position of strength in terms of military power.

Economically, I would say that the player behind Ausitoria does at least know what they are talking about, but of course economic power is ultimately limited to nations and organizations that actually have economic links to you, so while it's possible it is neither universal nor influential enough.

Diplomatically, being the head of an international organization gives you some swing, but nothing that Cusc doesn't wield, nothing Asigna doesn't didn't wield and nothing whoever runs the show behind Socintern doesn't wield. But then again your diplomatic power is severely diminished by the fact your military power is for all intensive purposes a hilarious joke and limited to nations who actually give a fuck about Ausitoria beyond being annoyed by that insistent ego...

Is English even your first language? Or do you just believe your own propoganda?

No; his first language is Polish but thank you for falsely equating being a native English speaker with being right...

Ausitoria wanted Ardoki to have another chance. They got it. They wanted what they did with the chance to be their own choice. It was. Now they want justice to be done unto Ardoki. It will happen.

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Best of all, they had a democratic majority backing them at every stage. I'm actually quite impressed with the centrist establishment - it looked a bit hairy at times, but in the end they achieved absolutely everything they wanted.

Except:
- Reform of Ardoki
- Trial of Moriarty and O'Brien
- Guidance/Control/Influence during Ardoki's transition
- Post-transition influence in Ardoki
- Oh yeah and being flat-out wrong in the face of us who said its pointless to play soft with such a regime and expect valid refom

Really this marks the eclipse of SACTO as the premier diplomatic power.

If you think SACTO's power was ever held afloat by diplomacy and not by the fact that fucking with one of us incurs the wrath of like 6-10 of us all attacking shipping, shutting down internet, ousting proxies and maybe even outright invading the culprit, then you are more delusional than I predicted.

Although then again maybe this was an intentional jab to try and lure us into playing the dickwaving ego game with you - a game where you by far have more experience...

[Inyourfaceistan]

Why do threads always break down into this crap...?

[Hatay]

I have posted in the blockade thread, it is incomplete so don't be so quick to judge.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I have posted in the blockade thread, it is incomplete so don't be so quick to judge.

Looks good to me.
Your ORBAT was a bit odd, and your forces slim for having two carriers, but otherwise isn't so bad...

[Hatay]

I have posted in the blockade thread, it is incomplete so don't be so quick to judge.

Looks good to me.
Your ORBAT was a bit odd, and your forces slim for having two carriers, but otherwise isn't so bad...

Thanks. How so odd?

[Guadalupador]

I'll have a deployment post up on Monday.

[Ganos Lao]

Why do threads always break down into this crap...?

If it happens one more time, I'm retconning all involvement.

[Orostan]

What is this?

[Western Pacific Territories]

Ausitoria is in a position where everything they want happens, and you think Ausitoria is weak?

So... could you explain to me why negotiations broke down and why Ardoki left the IFC again?

Is English even your first language? Or do you just believe your own propoganda?

Nope, it is actually not. Funny how you associate not being a native English Speaker with listening to your own propaganda.

Ausitoria wanted Ardoki to have another chance. They got it. They wanted what they did with the chance to be their own choice. It was. Now they want justice to be done unto Ardoki. It will happen.

Yep. And the Ardokian government wasted it. Nihonese warships are going to have fun taking care of you :^)

Best of all, they had a democratic majority backing them at every stage. I'm actually quite impressed with the centrist establishment - it looked a bit hairy at times, but in the end they achieved absolutely everything they wanted. Really this marks the eclipse of SACTO as the premier diplomatic power.

I'm not sure what you were talking about in the first two sentences but trust me, SACTO is not going away. Invade me if you want, I'll just blow your star destroyers out of the sky :^^^^^^^^^^^)

[Asigna]

Best of all, they had a democratic majority backing them at every stage. I'm actually quite impressed with the centrist establishment - it looked a bit hairy at times, but in the end they achieved absolutely everything they wanted. Really this marks the eclipse of SACTO as the premier diplomatic power.

I'm sorry but every since i raided Inyurstan embassies, SACTO admittedly proclaimed their uselessness anyways since they never see diplomacy as a vital part of their equation when it comes to foreign policies.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'm sorry but every since i raided Inyurstan embassies, SACTO admittedly proclaimed their uselessness anyways since they never see diplomacy as a vital part of their equation when it comes to foreign policies.

What are you trying to say here?

[Asigna]

I'm sorry but every since i raided Inyurstan embassies, SACTO admittedly proclaimed their uselessness anyways since they never see diplomacy as a vital part of their equation when it comes to foreign policies.

What are you trying to say here?

Diplomacy is not your thing. Which is quite your trademark.

[Common Territories]

I'm sorry but every since i raided Inyurstan embassies, SACTO admittedly proclaimed their uselessness anyways since they never see diplomacy as a vital part of their equation when it comes to foreign policies.

What are you trying to say here?

I believe, in bullet points, he's saying this:

• Asigna raided INY embassies, meaning obviously this is a sign you're a fucking pussy.
• Every single SACTO member doesn't know the term diplomacy.
• SACTO doesn't do diplomacy, period.
• To add those last two points together, SACTO is useless because it doesn't know how to do diplomacy in the beholder's ideal. Diplomacy, in this situation, is sitting and talking for one month as nothing gets done. Because Ardoki has proven he's willing to just talk this all out over a cold beer
• Apparently you need diplomacy to do foreign policy. Color me shocked.

[Asigna]

What are you trying to say here?

I believe, in bullet points, he's saying this:

• Asigna raided INY embassies, meaning obviously this is a sign you're a fucking pussy.
• Every single SACTO member doesn't know the term diplomacy.
• SACTO doesn't do diplomacy, period.
• To add those last two points together, SACTO is useless because it doesn't know how to do diplomacy in the beholder's ideal. Diplomacy, in this situation, is sitting and talking for one month as nothing gets done. Because Ardoki has proven he's willing to just talk this all out over a cold beer
• Apparently you need diplomacy to do foreign policy. Color me shocked.

No, i said embassies are useless for SACTO, since they never used them anyways.

[Western Pacific Territories]

What is this?

Could you do us a favor and read the OP instead of spamming "What is this?" over and over again?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Diplomacy is not your thing. Which is quite your trademark.

Oh yeah, well that's true!

To be honest Cusc encouraged me to open embassies with more people when I opened one with you; then when I got stabbed in the back like that I spent about a year on NS thinking diplomacy was the root of all evil.

It is actually quite interesting how much you realize diplomacy is often actually quite the antithesis to democracy when you look at it from the outside...

[Asigna]

Diplomacy is not your thing. Which is quite your trademark.

Oh yeah, well that's true!

To be honest Cusc encouraged me to open embassies with more people when I opened one with you; then when I got stabbed in the back like that I spent about a year on NS thinking diplomacy was the root of all evil.

It is actually quite interesting how much you realize diplomacy is often actually quite the antithesis to democracy when you look at it from the outside...

I get your point.

[Common Territories]

I believe, in bullet points, he's saying this:

• Asigna raided INY embassies, meaning obviously this is a sign you're a fucking pussy.
• Every single SACTO member doesn't know the term diplomacy.
• SACTO doesn't do diplomacy, period.
• To add those last two points together, SACTO is useless because it doesn't know how to do diplomacy in the beholder's ideal. Diplomacy, in this situation, is sitting and talking for one month as nothing gets done. Because Ardoki has proven he's willing to just talk this all out over a cold beer
• Apparently you need diplomacy to do foreign policy. Color me shocked.

No, i said embassies are useless for SACTO, since they never used them anyways.

Funny. Mine work very well. Not sure about others in SACTO but I imagine theirs work just as fine. I mean, that trade deal I made with INY worked pretty fine - right INY?

[Inyourfaceistan]

Funny. Mine work very well. Not sure about others in SACTO but I imagine theirs work just as fine. I mean, that trade deal I made with INY worked pretty fine - right INY?

Yup, worked for me!

I mean as much as I usually don't like diplomacy, the ties between La Républiqua D'Inyursta and El Federación de Gran Cuscatlan are closer than conjoined twins sometimes!

[Tyrnica]

I'm not entirely eager to read the last few pages, what with all the apparent drama, but I'm still quite interested in this whole affair. Would someone mind giving me a quick rundown of the current situation so I don't go blundering in, only to have to retcon the post?

[Asigna]

:unsure:

I'm not entirely eager to read the last few pages, what with all the apparent drama, but I'm still quite interested in this whole affair. Would someone mind giving me a quick rundown of the current situation so I don't go blundering in, only to have to retcon the post?

They are 99% unnecessary.

Here's what you need to know.

-The government Ardoki, a pariah state under a political party known as the SDLP, a very ruthless party known for applying progressive policies in an unnecessary ruthless manner is being warned to step out of power for its numerous international level crimes (crimes committed in other nations).
-Now, a blockade is being prepared by a grand coalition before invasion begins to liberate Ardoki of its subversive provinces and dispose of the SDLP