Maroon Revolution [DIPLOMATIC|MT+|SEMI-OPEN|OOC]

[Inyourfaceistan]

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You didn't object when OS posted what he would be deploying...
Of course you also thought they would be here to protect you from the SACTO blockade, not actually hold your government responsible for the millions of people killed...

[Ardoki]

Murdering a thousand people seems very moderate when compared to murdering a million people; however, that doesn't make it good or nice.

Just because the SACTO demands are a lot more unrealistic than the IFC demands, does not make the IFC demands even slightly realistic.

There is a reason why I chose ruling "No WMDs" In my thread... ha ha ha!

Not to mention that if Nihon comes... it will not be under Nihonese flag. "Proxying" exists for a reason.

Also Ardoki, you already have OS occupation force in, so perhaps you realize your words and go after them?

Long before that post was posted, I clearly stated that our government would like to negotiate with the IFC before we allow IFC forces in. However, seeing as my government was not consulted in any manner regarding the IFC forces, it would not have allowed foreign troops to land.

I made a compromise regarding the allowance of peacekeepers several posts above, yet no one has responded to that either. If we want this RP to work I must actually know what is going on.

[Ardoki]

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You didn't object when OS posted what he would be deploying...
Of course you also thought they would be here to protect you from the SACTO blockade, not actually hold your government responsible for the millions of people killed...

I try to separate OOC and IC in RPs.

My government has not been consulted or even made aware of the arrival of IFC forces, and I'm sure it would insist negotiations to be entered before it even thinks about accepting any such demands. So from an IC perspective, IFC forces do not have permission to land in Ardoki. I made a compromise, so the posts would only have to be edited; however, if that is rejected the IFC forces have not been given permission to land in Ardoki.

[New Chilokver]

I know you haven't granted permission for forces to land in Ardoki- however, would it be alright for me to deploy a CSG for the purposes of ensuring maritime freedom of passage?

[Inyourfaceistan]

I try to separate OOC and IC in RPs.

My government has not been consulted or even made aware of the arrival of IFC forces, and I'm sure it would insist negotiations to be entered before it even thinks about accepting any such demands. So from an IC perspective, IFC forces do not have permission to land in Ardoki. I made a compromise, so the posts would only have to be edited; however, if that is rejected the IFC forces have not been given permission to land in Ardoki.

To be fair to the IFC you saw the resolution and saw that it had been passed for some time before OS posted that ORBAT...

If we want this RP to work I must actually know what is going on.

You = Barracuda
IFC = Fishermen*
SACTO = Sharks

Now the barracuda must decide if it wants to take its chances in the aquarium or back in the water with the sharks who are now circling the boat, meanwhile the fishermen are trying to decide if keeping this snappy barracuda is worth it before the sharks decide if it's worth attacking boat...

(*Fishermen collecting for an aquarium)

[Ardoki]

I try to separate OOC and IC in RPs.

My government has not been consulted or even made aware of the arrival of IFC forces, and I'm sure it would insist negotiations to be entered before it even thinks about accepting any such demands. So from an IC perspective, IFC forces do not have permission to land in Ardoki. I made a compromise, so the posts would only have to be edited; however, if that is rejected the IFC forces have not been given permission to land in Ardoki.

To be fair to the IFC you saw the resolution and saw that it had been passed for some time before OS posted that ORBAT...

I had still expected to negotiate further, OOCly and ICly, which I expressed several times in addition to expressing my disapproval of what had been demanded.

Maybe I just prefer detailed planning instead of getting right into an RP. I guess I'm partly to blame for just assuming my requests were sufficiently clear. However, I made a compromise so the posts don't have to be edited so much (that doesn't mean we are not going to discuss the terms in detail though).

[Inyourfaceistan]

To be fair to the IFC you saw the resolution and saw that it had been passed for some time before OS posted that ORBAT...

I had still expected to negotiate further, OOCly and ICly, which I expressed several times in addition to expressing my disapproval of what had been demanded.

Maybe I just prefer detailed planning instead of getting right into an RP. I guess I'm partly to blame for just assuming my requests were sufficiently clear. However, I made a compromise so the posts don't have to be edited so much (that doesn't mean we are not going to discuss the terms in detail though).

I'm not one to comment about what they plan to do, but I don't see how IFC troops landing in Ardoki changes the ability to plan out the rest of the thread...

[Ardoki]

I had still expected to negotiate further, OOCly and ICly, which I expressed several times in addition to expressing my disapproval of what had been demanded.

Maybe I just prefer detailed planning instead of getting right into an RP. I guess I'm partly to blame for just assuming my requests were sufficiently clear. However, I made a compromise so the posts don't have to be edited so much (that doesn't mean we are not going to discuss the terms in detail though).

I'm not one to comment about what they plan to do, but I don't see how IFC troops landing in Ardoki changes the ability to plan out the rest of the thread...

I never claimed I would be unable to plan other parts of the RP. I was just trying to make everything clear, as I mustn't have done before.

[New Chilokver]

Ard, did you get see my posts?

[Ardoki]

Ard, did you get see my posts?

Not yet. The IC thread doesn't show up on my 'view your posts' section.

[New Chilokver]

No like, on this thread. Specifically- has anything been done to prevent Ardokian war criminals from escaping the country and justice, and would it be alright for me to deploy a CSG off your nation to ensure freedom of maritime passage?

[Shazbotdom]

Ard, did you get see my posts?

Not yet. The IC thread doesn't show up on my 'view your posts' section.

There was an indexing problem this (Thursday) morning. It happens occasionally.

[Ardoki]

No like, on this thread. Specifically- has anything been done to prevent Ardokian war criminals from escaping the country and justice, and would it be alright for me to deploy a CSG off your nation to ensure freedom of maritime passage?

Moriarty and O'Brien are with the IFC.

[Silveriak]

Permission to join?

[Ardoki]

IYF:

I have no idea what a 'welfare office' is, if it is even a think.

However, Ardoki does not have such things. Health is managed by the Ministry of Health, education is managed by the Ministry of Education, utilities are managed by the Ministry of Public Utilities, etcetera. I guess the closest thing to what you mean would be a preschool (it is a small target which wouldn't be defended).

[New Chilokver]

No like, on this thread. Specifically- has anything been done to prevent Ardokian war criminals from escaping the country and justice, and would it be alright for me to deploy a CSG off your nation to ensure freedom of maritime passage?

Moriarty and O'Brien are with the IFC.

I meant everyone else- other officials in his regime, the soldiers who committed genocides etc. In that case, the CSG will have two purposes- ensuring freedom of passge to Ardoki; and to investigate any unauthorized departures (ships, planes) from your nation, in case they're war criminals attempting to escape.

[Ardoki]

I'm going to post the election tomorrow; I haven't gotten any replies to my enquiries regarding observers, so I'll leave it up to the IFC to decide whether they sent election monitors or not.

[Ardoki]

Permission to join?

Sure.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Ardoki, can we RP the meeting on the 10th first?

Problem is that your government agreed on this kind of deployment before; and now they are in with heavy weaponry.

I kind of get a feeling OS military won't go. For them it is already an occupation .

I did request several times that my government be given the opportunity to negotiate the terms of the IFC forces; however, I never got a response. Realistically, those IFC forces would never have been given permission to land in Ardoki (nor was my government ever even notified about their impending arrival).

You can't stop people landing by ship or in all-terrain aircraft; nor can you stop the IFC government from directing air traffic as necessary. If there are conflicting reports, we should probably RP a mid-air collision on the 10th.

[Ardoki]

Ardoki, can we RP the meeting on the 10th first?

I did request several times that my government be given the opportunity to negotiate the terms of the IFC forces; however, I never got a response. Realistically, those IFC forces would never have been given permission to land in Ardoki (nor was my government ever even notified about their impending arrival).

You can't stop people landing by ship or in all-terrain aircraft; nor can you stop the IFC government from directing air traffic as necessary. If there are conflicting reports, we should probably RP a mid-air collision on the 10th.

Well I may not be able to stop aircraft from landing short of shooting them out of the sky, but my government is certainly able to refuse them permission to land until its concerns are adressed.

Kapzia is welcome to come and speak to our government immediately. However, our government will not grant permission for any IFC forces (apart from Kapzia and his delegation) to land in Ardoki before that meeting takes place. We may as well start that with Kapzia just arriving in the Grand Legislative Assembly House, I don't have a detailed street plan of Ardea.

[Ardoki]

On second thoughts, I'm going to hold the election soon and then deal with SACTO in Aanglandia. We'll have to plan it first though.

My holidays are almost over, and I won't have very much time when I'm back at university.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Well I may not be able to stop aircraft from landing short of shooting them out of the sky, but my government is certainly able to refuse them permission to land until its concerns are adressed.

A requirement which can in some cases be ignored, although the more diplomatic explanations are that all Ausitorians are trained to parachute anyway, and that it is only civilians (including bodyguards and police) who have arrived so far. In any event I strongly doubt more than a 100,000 in all would have arrived by the 9th (a mere couple of days after Resolution 21 c came into effect), and these incendiary findings would certainly result in them stopping arriving.

We may as well start that with Kapzia just arriving in the Grand Legislative Assembly House, I don't have a detailed street plan of Ardea.

I expect you haven't finished reading the newspaper article, but it includes a summons to the IFC HQ, which would presumably be a repurposed hotel, perhaps like the Grand Budapest Hotel, situated on the border of a park (with an eye for easy evacuation/aerial resupply). But should I take it that they would request that Kazpia attend to them instead? And I presume they would not try to stop him from arriving with a cavalry guard (in full ceremonial regalia, on horses)?

[Ardoki]

Well I may not be able to stop aircraft from landing short of shooting them out of the sky, but my government is certainly able to refuse them permission to land until its concerns are adressed.

A requirement which can in some cases be ignored, although the more diplomatic explanations are that all Ausitorians are trained to parachute anyway, and that it is only civilians (including bodyguards and police) who have arrived so far. In any event I strongly doubt more than a 100,000 in all would have arrived by the 9th (a mere couple of days after Resolution 21 c came into effect).

We are suppose to be holding official talks before anything else happens. Our government hasn't been officially notified or consulted, and it demands that before anything else occurs.

I can guarantee we haven't given out anywhere near 100,000 visas, which are necessary for travel to Ardoki. Only as many visas as were necessary for a diplomatic delegation would have been approved.

We may as well start that with Kapzia just arriving in the Grand Legislative Assembly House, I don't have a detailed street plan of Ardea.

I expect you haven't finished reading the newspaper article, but it includes a summons to the IFC HQ, which would presumably be a repurposed hotel, perhaps like the Grand Budapest Hotel, situated on the border of a park (with an eye for easy evacuation/aerial resupply). But should I take it that they would request that Kazpia attend to them instead? And I presume they would not try to stop him from arriving with a cavalry guard (in full ceremonial regalia, on horses)?

There would be paperwork involved in purchasing property (even more so due to foreign purchasing regulations) and you could potentially be breaching zoning laws. I'm sure you might be able to rent a large estate quite a way south of Ardea, where you won't cause mass disruption in the middle of a large city.

The IFC delegation are guests in Ardoki, they will come to the government. I'm sure your cavalry guard would cause mass disruption to our traffic (and therefore be in violation of traffic regulation) and draw negative attention to the IFC (in Ardoki, such ostentatious displays are considered very arrogant and an annoying waste of time). I'm sure the Ministry of External Affairs would be fully willing to arrange a motorcade for your prince.

Ardokian culture is different to Ausitorian, if you want to know our reactions to certain things just ask me.

Thank you for asking these questions. It is a lot better to have everything worked out, so nothing has to be changed.

[Gauliscia]

Ardoki, can I have a cafe name and some local food and drinks please. Also, what about that contact? You must have some disgruntled civil servant or something?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

A requirement which can in some cases be ignored, although the more diplomatic explanations are that all Ausitorians are trained to parachute anyway, and that it is only civilians (including bodyguards and police) who have arrived so far. In any event I strongly doubt more than a 100,000 in all would have arrived by the 9th (a mere couple of days after Resolution 21 c came into effect).

We are suppose to be holding official talks before anything else happens. Our government hasn't been officially notified or consulted, and it demands that before anything else occurs.

I can guarantee we haven't given out anywhere near 100,000 visas, which are necessary for travel to Ardoki. Only as many visas as were necessary for a diplomatic delegation would have been approved.

The IFC government printed out their own, neatly virtually indistinguishable. What is the point of becoming head of government if you can't print your own visas?

I expect you haven't finished reading the newspaper article, but it includes a summons to the IFC HQ, which would presumably be a repurposed hotel, perhaps like the Grand Budapest Hotel, situated on the border of a park (with an eye for easy evacuation/aerial resupply). But should I take it that they would request that Kazpia attend to them instead? And I presume they would not try to stop him from arriving with a cavalry guard (in full ceremonial regalia, on horses)?

There would be paperwork involved in purchasing property (even more so due to foreign purchasing regulations) and you could potentially be breaching zoning laws. I'm sure you might be able to rent a large estate quite a way south of Ardea, where you won't cause mass disruption in the middle of a large city.

What is the point of being head of government if you can't rezone? And they can always pardon themselves for any minor infringements of zoning laws, even assuming any police were to arrive at a place obviously defended by sufficient police anyway.

But to avoid disruption to Ardea, I'm sure they'd follow the advice and have a large estate some way to the south as the de-facto head of government, in addition to a location in Ardea itself, to avoid putting too much within Ardea itself.

The IFC delegation are guests in Ardoki, they will come to the government.

The IFC delegation thinks it is the government - and if you read Resolution 21 c and don't read the Ardoki constitution, they're right. Hence the disagreement in the first place. But I'm sure they'd be willing to provide their own motorcade instead.