Razor's Edge Cooperative [PMT/SignUps/OOC]

[Vistora]

Hovertanks...

Sure, they look cool... But are they a good, feasible armoured vehicle?

Is it even possible to build one?

Even if they were possible (they aren't, so far as known science is concerned), I can't see the benefit of using a levitation assembly over treads.

[Blakullar]

Hovertanks...

Sure, they look cool... But are they a good, feasible armoured vehicle?

Is it even possible to build one?

Even if they were possible (they aren't, so far as known science is concerned), I can't see the benefit of using a levitation assembly over treads.

A hovertank, unimpeded by rough terrain, would have supreme mobility as it could simply glide over obstacles. As for making one, you can use magnetism to levitate the machine, but you would need a hell of a lot of energy to get the thing to move. Then there's the question of stability while airborne. On top of that, you need to worry about weight from crew, fuel, ammunition and so forth...

The general formula I go with for a hovertank is something that would be comparable to a light tank - something that has little armour compared to its contemporaries, but is extremely mobile. As far as armament goes, missiles are your best bet if you don't have sufficiently-advanced DEWs. A cannon would be far too recoil-intensive to allow the tank to move, shoot and remain stable simultaneously. It would essentially have to stop in order to shoot its gun, which would defeat the whole purpose of an ultra-mobile tank.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Hovertanks...

Sure, they look cool... But are they a good, feasible armoured vehicle?

Is it even possible to build one?

Yes. Whatever Blak said.

I use them a heck lot, though my opinion is always invalid.

[Vistora]

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Even if they were possible (they aren't, so far as known science is concerned), I can't see the benefit of using a levitation assembly over treads.

A hovertank, unimpeded by rough terrain, would have supreme mobility as it could simply glide over obstacles. As for making one, you can use magnetism to levitate the machine, but you would need a hell of a lot of energy to get the thing to move. Then there's the question of stability while airborne. On top of that, you need to worry about weight from crew, fuel, ammunition and so forth...

The general formula I go with for a hovertank is something that would be comparable to a light tank - something that has little armour compared to its contemporaries, but is extremely mobile. As far as armament goes, missiles are your best bet if you don't have sufficiently-advanced DEWs. A cannon would be far too recoil-intensive to allow the tank to move, shoot and remain stable simultaneously. It would essentially have to stop in order to shoot its gun, which would defeat the whole purpose of an ultra-mobile tank.

No... you cannot just use magnets to make anything levitate over just any sort of terrain. Trust me on this one, I've done enough research into magnetic levitation to know. The repulsive force one finds between magnets is just that; between magnets, specifically between the ends of dipoles with the same charge, or in the case of superconductors, hen cooled below critical temperature. That means you'd need magnets beneath the tanks as well as connected to it, and if you have to build a neodymium road in front of your tank just to move it along, that somewhat defeats the purpose.

And it's not like caterpillar treads are infamous for their lack of off-roading capability.

That being said, Alt-Vistora probably uses hovertanks. With antigrav bollocks and everything.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

A hovertank, unimpeded by rough terrain, would have supreme mobility as it could simply glide over obstacles. As for making one, you can use magnetism to levitate the machine, but you would need a hell of a lot of energy to get the thing to move. Then there's the question of stability while airborne. On top of that, you need to worry about weight from crew, fuel, ammunition and so forth...

The general formula I go with for a hovertank is something that would be comparable to a light tank - something that has little armour compared to its contemporaries, but is extremely mobile. As far as armament goes, missiles are your best bet if you don't have sufficiently-advanced DEWs. A cannon would be far too recoil-intensive to allow the tank to move, shoot and remain stable simultaneously. It would essentially have to stop in order to shoot its gun, which would defeat the whole purpose of an ultra-mobile tank.

No... you cannot just use magnets to make anything levitate over just any sort of terrain. Trust me on this one, I've done enough research into magnetic levitation to know. The repulsive force one finds between magnets is just that; between magnets, specifically between the ends of dipoles with the same charge, or in the case of superconductors, hen cooled below critical temperature. That means you'd need magnets beneath the tanks as well as connected to it, and if you have to build a neodymium road in front of your tank just to move it along, that somewhat defeats the purpose.

And it's not like caterpillar treads are infamous for their lack of off-roading capability.

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nvm not me to speak

[Post War America]

I'm just going to leave this provisional RP idea here and see if anybody's interested.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WXP ... sp=sharing

Would this RP involve extraneous entities (i.e. separate interest groups such as nations and/or corporations that are only somewhat affiliated with the factions)?

Indeed. If absolutely nothing else, The Silver Hand is connected to other similar groups throughout the region, and Commonwealther Defense Cooperatives want to sell goods to satellite states (seen as said cooperatives have a hard time getting through the legal tomfoolery that basically enforces state controlled monopoly over supply for the Commonwealth Defense Force). There would probably be others, especially if other corporate nations join in.

Hovertanks...

Sure, they look cool... But are they a good, feasible armoured vehicle?

Is it even possible to build one?

Feasible No, Possible technically, but not easily and horrifically impractical. Awesome hell yes.

If you want hovertanks don't try to be realistic (though internal consistency is good), and just invoke rule of cool.

[Vistora]

Unless by "hover", one is referring to the air cushions used by hovercraft, I'm going to reaffirm my stance that known science does not support even the possibility of hovertanks, unless said tanks are moving along a pre-constructed route or perhaps using a reaction engine of some sort (vertical jets, basically).

[Post War America]

Unless by "hover", one is referring to the air cushions used by hovercraft, I'm going to reaffirm my stance that known science does not support even the possibility of hovertanks, unless said tanks are moving along a pre-constructed route or perhaps using a reaction engine of some sort (vertical jets, basically).

Indeed, but that's where the horrifically impractical comes in, because lift fans would eat fuel for days, unless of course you were to use a nuclear reactor of some sort (or a mana reactor if you've got magic). Ergo, not realistic, but still cool as fuck, so if you want to run it run it because its cool, not because you can justify it as realistic.

[Vistora]

Unless by "hover", one is referring to the air cushions used by hovercraft, I'm going to reaffirm my stance that known science does not support even the possibility of hovertanks, unless said tanks are moving along a pre-constructed route or perhaps using a reaction engine of some sort (vertical jets, basically).

Indeed, but that's where the horrifically impractical comes in, because lift fans would eat fuel for days, unless of course you were to use a nuclear reactor of some sort (or a mana reactor if you've got magic). Ergo, not realistic, but still cool as fuck, so if you want to run it run it because its cool, not because you can justify it as realistic.

Wouldn't that just make it a heavily armored helicopter, though?

Wait, where are we drawing this delineation for a hovertank versus an aircraft?

What even is a tank!?

Are tanks even real?

But, uh, yeah, hovertanks are fine so long as one abandons any pretenses of realism, in which case one should just switch to far less finnicky antigrav systems.

[Empire of Donner land]

Unless by "hover", one is referring to the air cushions used by hovercraft, I'm going to reaffirm my stance that known science does not support even the possibility of hovertanks, unless said tanks are moving along a pre-constructed route or perhaps using a reaction engine of some sort (vertical jets, basically).

Or if you make up some kind of unknown spooky element that can be tuned to magnetically fight the electromagnetic core of the earth due to it being extremely sensitive.

[Vistora]

Unless by "hover", one is referring to the air cushions used by hovercraft, I'm going to reaffirm my stance that known science does not support even the possibility of hovertanks, unless said tanks are moving along a pre-constructed route or perhaps using a reaction engine of some sort (vertical jets, basically).

Or if you make up some kind of unknown spooky element that can be tuned to magnetically fight the electromagnetic core of the earth due to it being extremely sensitive.

It's not so much a matter of sensitivity as it is power. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is about one-hundredth that of your average refridgerator magnet, so good luck floating a tank on it.

[Empire of Donner land]

Or if you make up some kind of unknown spooky element that can be tuned to magnetically fight the electromagnetic core of the earth due to it being extremely sensitive.

It's not so much a matter of sensitivity as it is power. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is about one-hundredth that of your average refridgerator magnet, so good luck floating a tank on it.

If someone wanted to bullshit around it, they could. That's just what I'm pointing out. It doesent have to have realisms.

And as PWA pointed out, the rule of cool triumphs over all.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Okay, now I'll let the hovertank principles of mine work on that created by WANC-TECH¹.

¹The company in the PTFS, and the Synkom, that makes all the unrealistic tech.

[Vistora]

It's not so much a matter of sensitivity as it is power. The strength of the Earth's magnetic field is about one-hundredth that of your average refridgerator magnet, so good luck floating a tank on it.

If someone wanted to bullshit around it, they could. That's just what I'm pointing out. It doesent have to have realisms.

And as PWA pointed out, the rule of cool triumphs over all.

I know. I just like explaining things. I've been waiting to use that fridge magnet line for a while now.

[Empire of Donner land]

If someone wanted to bullshit around it, they could. That's just what I'm pointing out. It doesent have to have realisms.

And as PWA pointed out, the rule of cool triumphs over all.

I know. I just like explaining things. I've been waiting to use that fridge magnet line for a while now.

Oh.

*writes down the super sensitive and powerful magnetic element idea*

[Vistora]

I know. I just like explaining things. I've been waiting to use that fridge magnet line for a while now.

Oh.

*writes down the super sensitive and powerful magnetic element idea*

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Oh.

*writes down the super sensitive and powerful magnetic element idea*

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

jugoslavija

[Empire of Donner land]

Oh.

*writes down the super sensitive and powerful magnetic element idea*

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

Donner Land but with more advanced realistic tech wank

[Vistora]

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

jugoslavija

WHAT!?

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

Donner Land but with more advanced realistic tech wank

Just so you know, the Alt-Vistoraverse is as technologically unrealistic as the limits of PMT feasibly allow. Soooo... I advise you to go a different route. The idea is that, without many limitations, participants are free to create imaginitive nations with some sort of unique schtick. Alt-Vistora takes the idea of a hyperdense megacity up to eleventy-billion-and-one, while Neonymphonia is... Neonymphonia.

Also, the Alt-Vistoraverse is meant to be leaning towards the dystopian, with nations generally advised to be either crapsack or crapsaccharine in nature.

[Vistora]

For example, Alt-Donnerland might be full of Cybervikings wielding giant lighting hammers. Or something.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

jugoslavija

WHAT!?

Wait what we're not on Earth?

If I ever recover from my yugomania, expect me to go crazy about Chile, Cybersyn, the Carabineros, shameless prussian ripoff, unbelievable levels of gender equality within military and Pinochet.

You have two choices. Yugo or chile.

[Vistora]

WHAT!?

Wait what we're not on Earth?

If I ever recover from my yugomania, expect me to go crazy about Chile, Cybersyn, the Carabineros, shameless prussian ripoff, unbelievable levels of gender equality within military and Pinochet.

You have two choices. Yugo or chile.

Yes, we are on Earth. And you can be ludicrous yugo. Just give them some unique, defining feature.

[Post War America]

Oh.

*writes down the super sensitive and powerful magnetic element idea*

Heh. If I remember correctly, that's meant to be the technology behind DXHR's Icarus Landing System, one I do enjoy exploiting in my Makinaverse nation.

On another note, has anybody started forming ideas about what their Alt-Vistoraverse nation will be?

If I were to build another canon (may or may not happen as it stands I need to put about 500-600 more hours at least into my own canon), I would probably be some sort of advanced super city state centered around Manhattan.

[Democratic Majapahit]

Wait what we're not on Earth?

If I ever recover from my yugomania, expect me to go crazy about Chile, Cybersyn, the Carabineros, shameless prussian ripoff, unbelievable levels of gender equality within military and Pinochet.

You have two choices. Yugo or chile.

Yes, we are on Earth. And you can be ludicrous yugo. Just give them some unique, defining feature.

Is psychoacoustics a good idea

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Also can I be jugo and chile at the same time

not much space to produce shit in balkans