Razor's Edge Cooperative [PMT/SignUps/OOC]

[Vistora]

On a side note, who the f00000k picked sonic?

[New Frenco Empire]

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Don't need to. Get up to your bad guy in suitably-heavy (powered) armour, then literally melt him up close and personal.

Not if that armor gets penetrated by a rail/gauss gun first. :>

... Shit. You've got me there. Plasma's great for practical stuff, but railguns are just bloody cool.

Still more practical than plashit. :>>>>

[Exoatmospheric Britannia]

This talk of weapons is all well and good, but what do you do if faced by a bunker?

[Blakullar]

Don't need to. Get up to your bad guy in suitably-heavy (powered) armour, then literally melt him up close and personal.

Not if that armor gets penetrated by a rail/gauss gun first. :>

... Shit. You've got me there. Plasma's great for practical stuff, but railguns are just bloody cool.

Still more practical than plashit. :>>>>

There are so many ways where I would like to disagree, but then I remember I have two posts to do now. (I saw your Red Planet post - I'll just finish up this post for Sidhae and then I'll get to work with that.)

[New Frenco Empire]

This talk of weapons is all well and good, but what do you do if faced by a bunker?

The beauty of railgun; it penetrates EVERYTHING.

[Vistora]

This talk of weapons is all well and good, but what do you do if faced by a bunker?

These are handheld weapons, m88

This talk of weapons is all well and good, but what do you do if faced by a bunker?

The beauty of railgun; it penetrates EVERYTHING.

So it seems that Freud really was right, eh?

[New Frenco Empire]

Not if that armor gets penetrated by a rail/gauss gun first. :>


Still more practical than plashit. :>>>>

There are so many ways where I would like to disagree, but then I remember I have two posts to do now. (I saw your Red Planet post - I'll just finish up this post for Sidhae and then I'll get to work with that.)

Can't wait to get home so I can pop in FO4 and compare inferior plasma rifle to godly gauss rifle. Will post video results. :>

[Exoatmospheric Britannia]

This talk of weapons is all well and good, but what do you do if faced by a bunker?

These are handheld weapons, m88

Are you telling me you haven't invested in handheld anti-bunker weapons?

[Novum Alexandria]

There are so many ways where I would like to disagree, but then I remember I have two posts to do now. (I saw your Red Planet post - I'll just finish up this post for Sidhae and then I'll get to work with that.)

Can't wait to get home so I can pop in FO4 and compare inferior plasma rifle to godly gauss rifle. Will post video results. :>

Speaking of videos, I wanted to do an actual audio recording of me reading off people's news headings in the best voice I could muster (which I've had varying comments on, but the most popular compared it to sex).

And, on a very related note, how does on even do the newsbars-in-signature? >->

These are handheld weapons, m88

Are you telling me you haven't invested in handheld anti-bunker weapons?

SEE: SIGNATURE
SEE: EXPLOSIVES
:>

[Vistora]

I can see that most people here are approaching this issue with a markedly different methodology than myself...

[Blakullar]

There are so many ways where I would like to disagree, but then I remember I have two posts to do now. (I saw your Red Planet post - I'll just finish up this post for Sidhae and then I'll get to work with that.)

Can't wait to get home so I can pop in FO4 and compare inferior plasma rifle to godly gauss rifle. Will post video results. :>

I don't have FO4 (yet), but I get enough exposure to it from my younger brother (who won't shut the fuck up about his bloody fortress-city on Spectacle Island) to have some idea of what you're on about there. Worse yet, one of my RP characters has a Bostonian drawl. That's not good...

ANYWAY, now for something completely different. Do we have an ETA on your next Hammerfall post?

[Wandering Argonians]

As I said previously, I'd toss in an entry once I'd caught up on the story.

-snip-

Excellent! I'll add him to the OP once I get the chance. Since you missed the intro, you'll have to wait a bit before he can join the party, but no matter.

I was just going to have him stumble around a bit and meet up by 'chance'.

Also, 48mm-length ammunition is too long for pistol ammunition, unless the item in question is a revolver or has an external magazine (i.e. not in the grip) or similar grip dimensions to a Desert Eagle. Keep in mind 5.56 NATO is 5.56x45mm. Intermediate-caliber assault rifle ammunition by most conventional definitions.

And yes, I stole a name from a popular (and highly disappointing) video game. He's a Ukrainian mercenary in this case, and not an art student turned Spetznaz sniper on loan to a NATO-centric counter-terror organization for unknown reasons. That might make for better RPing, however.

[Vistora]

I was just going to have him stumble around a bit and meet up by 'chance'.

Yeah, that's more or less how it will go.

Also, 48mm-length ammunition is too long for pistol ammunition, unless the item in question is a revolver or has an external magazine (i.e. not in the grip) or similar grip dimensions to a Desert Eagle. Keep in mind 5.56 NATO is 5.56x45mm. Intermediate-caliber assault rifle ammunition by most conventional definitions.

Hence "heavily modified". When I was referring to pistol ammunition, I primarily meant the shape of the bullet and the manner in which it sits in the casing.

[Excidium Planetis]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

...hahahaha!

Look, Excidian ground vehicles are generally pretty realistic, and even they would pretty effectively defeat your pathetic plasma weapons. Magnetic shielding seriously f***s up the trajectory of a plasma projectile, not to mention any plasma hot enough to stay hot throughout the projectile's course and melt through ceramic armor would probably do something nasty and unexpected like ignite the air upon firing, or some such extremely negative thing to the first.

Plus, say you have the tech to use infantry weapons that posess the energy capabilities to heat up gas an fire it at Mach 5. With that same energy, you could be firing massive slugs at higher speed. Which hurts more, your tiny easily deflected plasma shot, or a 200 gram slug hitting you at Mach 6?

We aren't pitting modern assault rifles against your silly FT plasma wank, we're putting FT kinetic weapons (coilguns, railguns, rocket rifles like me, etc.) against you FT plasma wank.

[Vistora]

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

...hahahaha!

Look, Excidian ground vehicles are generally pretty realistic, and even they would pretty effectively defeat your pathetic plasma weapons. Magnetic shielding seriously f***s up the trajectory of a plasma projectile, not to mention any plasma hot enough to stay hot throughout the projectile's course and melt through ceramic armor would probably do something nasty and unexpected like ignite the air upon firing, or some such extremely negative thing to the first.

Plus, say you have the tech to use infantry weapons that posess the energy capabilities to heat up gas an fire it at Mach 5. With that same energy, you could be firing massive slugs at higher speed. Which hurts more, your tiny easily deflected plasma shot, or a 200 gram slug hitting you at Mach 6?

We aren't pitting modern assault rifles against your silly FT plasma wank, we're putting FT kinetic weapons (coilguns, railguns, rocket rifles like me, etc.) against you FT plasma wank.

Escusez moi, but as much as I agree with you on this subject, I must also point out the nice, big, visible PMT in the title.

On a related note, keep it civil. I know that you, Frenco, and Blak have a propensity for page-spanning arguments. That much is alright, but try not to go overboard and drown out everything else. And play nice. I know that sarcasm is way up there with chocolate and sex when it comes to life's pleasures, but make sure to draw a line between wry snarkiness and outright insolence. If things get too heated, you'll have to take it to the TGs.

[Empire of Donner land]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Yep, instead you need power. Which... is even more of a challenge PMT wise.

Making slug throwers better in every way.

[Excidium Planetis]

...hahahaha!

Look, Excidian ground vehicles are generally pretty realistic, and even they would pretty effectively defeat your pathetic plasma weapons. Magnetic shielding seriously f***s up the trajectory of a plasma projectile, not to mention any plasma hot enough to stay hot throughout the projectile's course and melt through ceramic armor would probably do something nasty and unexpected like ignite the air upon firing, or some such extremely negative thing to the first.

Plus, say you have the tech to use infantry weapons that posess the energy capabilities to heat up gas an fire it at Mach 5. With that same energy, you could be firing massive slugs at higher speed. Which hurts more, your tiny easily deflected plasma shot, or a 200 gram slug hitting you at Mach 6?

We aren't pitting modern assault rifles against your silly FT plasma wank, we're putting FT kinetic weapons (coilguns, railguns, rocket rifles like me, etc.) against you FT plasma wank.

Escusez moi, but as much as I agree with you on this subject, I must also point out the nice, big, visible PMT in the title.

Oh, well then in that case, Plasma weapons should not exist.

They are completely unfeasible in atmospheric uses. They have irreconcilable problems, such as how to prevent the plasma from expanding during flight, or how to deal with the effect of air resistance on such a low-mass object as plasma.

[Vistora]

Escusez moi, but as much as I agree with you on this subject, I must also point out the nice, big, visible PMT in the title.

Oh, well then in that case, Plasma weapons should not exist.

They are completely unfeasible in atmospheric uses. They have irreconcilable problems, such as how to prevent the plasma from expanding during flight, or how to deal with the effect of air resistance on such a low-mass object as plasma.

That's not really up to you to dictate. As I specify in the OP's long-winded essay, PMT is more about narrative scale than scientific realism. Keep in mind that the Frencoverse also has orcs and literal shock troopers.

[Sol Bella]

In response to the poll, I think a later PMT civilization would...probably have use of each of these to some extent, maybe with Plasma being an experimental tech. What with the '20 Minutes into the Future' stance that PMT takes, though, I think Lasers would be the best to widespread considering the level at which we could advance them while still keeping it feeling vaguely modern. In other words, deployable laser rifles wouldn't feel all that out of place in a near-future setting. Magnetic/Gauss/Coill weapons too.



...Sol Bella primarily deploys lasers, though, because of the relatively cheap construction compared to the other types of energy weapons. They also still use (though in a diminished fashion after the alien invasion wrecked them) ball lightning-like plasma weapons, and they may still have a few classic 'green goop' plasma weapons that they stole from the invaders.


Aaaanyywaaayy.

[Blakullar]

On a related note, keep it civil. I know that you, Frenco, and Blak have a propensity for page-spanning arguments. That much is alright, but try not to go overboard and drown out everything else. And play nice. I know that sarcasm is way up there with chocolate and sex when it comes to life's pleasures, but make sure to draw a line between wry snarkiness and outright insolence. If things get too heated, you'll have to take it to the TGs.

You'll be very glad to know that Fren and I do this sort of thing quite a bit. Only one argument has ever been actually serious (it was about the practicality of mecha in real-world warfare), and even then it stayed within the boundaries of civility.

[Vistora]

On a related note, keep it civil. I know that you, Frenco, and Blak have a propensity for page-spanning arguments. That much is alright, but try not to go overboard and drown out everything else. And play nice. I know that sarcasm is way up there with chocolate and sex when it comes to life's pleasures, but make sure to draw a line between wry snarkiness and outright insolence. If things get too heated, you'll have to take it to the TGs.

You'll be very glad to know that Fren and I do this sort of thing quite a bit. Only one argument has ever been actually serious (it was about the practicality of mecha in real-world warfare), and even then it stayed within the boundaries of civility.

Good, I'm glad. Open discourse is very much encouraged here, as it both fulfills this group's purpose and increases its traffic. So long as it doesn't degenerate into a silly shitfest like that one between Deminis, Tinfect, and I, it is welcome here.

[Excidium Planetis]

Oh, well then in that case, Plasma weapons should not exist.

They are completely unfeasible in atmospheric uses. They have irreconcilable problems, such as how to prevent the plasma from expanding during flight, or how to deal with the effect of air resistance on such a low-mass object as plasma.

That's not really up to you to dictate. As I specify in the OP's long-winded essay, PMT is more about narrative scale than scientific realism. Keep in mind that the Frencoverse also has orcs and literal shock troopers.

So then why are you telling me we can't have guns that fire 200 gram slugs at Mach 6 and Magnetic shields?

[Vistora]

That's not really up to you to dictate. As I specify in the OP's long-winded essay, PMT is more about narrative scale than scientific realism. Keep in mind that the Frencoverse also has orcs and literal shock troopers.

So then why are you telling me we can't have guns that fire 200 gram slugs at Mach 6 and Magnetic shields?

I'm not saying you can't. I'm saying you have to wave a big, ostentatious banner that says STILL PMT while doing it. That is all.

[Vistora]

My gripe was literally just with you saying FT over and over. Not kidding, that was it.

[Excidium Planetis]

My gripe was literally just with you saying FT over and over. Not kidding, that was it.

To be fair, PMT wasn't even a category of NS tech for years.

And even now, it is very niche. There are essentially no PMT-only storefronts on GE&T (most tend to be either MT/PMT or PMT/FT), there was no dedicated PMT category for old NS Civilization Index, and this is the first, as far as I know, PMT-only organization on NS.

That, and, just as PMT nations can use MT weapons, they can use FT weapons too, right? Why can't a PMT nation like Blak have FT plasma weapons?