Razor's Edge Cooperative [PMT/SignUps/OOC]

[Vistora]

It would be on the heavier side for sure, but yeah, that would be viable. Keep in mind that it would likely be slow-firing and have limited ammunition as well. Will the projectiles be ordinary bullets with explosive ordinance or gyrojets/miniature rockets?

Ideally, it would fire Gyrojet-style (more modern example is likely EXACTO, but DARPA hasn't given much details on how those actually work) ammunition, but I suppose caseless 12mm ammunition could also be fired if the rockets were hard to come by.

For obvious reasons, the rifle would not be able to use cased ammunition.

Iunno, electronic actions are starting to appear in more advanced gun designs in 2116, allowing for cased ammo despite no recoil to power the action. Also, does it fire pistol or rifle rounds? The 48mm length and picture makes me think it's either an enlongated pistol round or specialized ammo. Also, Lyza usually uses 7.8mm variants of the EXACTO when she can get her hands on them, which won't be often in the wilderness. Yeah, your gun is solid for use, but keep in mind that ammo can become scarce (even if we are toting Pollo along), and guns that fire commonly used rounds won't have to scrimp bullets. If this is for Vazha, I suggest he also keep his battle rifle, but that's just a suggestion.

[The United Remnants of America]

Okay... Maybe tomorrow I'll post.

Holy shit, I'm so sorry. I'm just... Ohmigod.

[Vistora]

Okay... Maybe tomorrow I'll post.

Holy shit, I'm so sorry. I'm just... Ohmigod.

I would chastise you for this, but... everybody in the Kastavania RP is probably feeling the same way about me. Heh. It's alright, anyways. I kinda made the mistake of making my action pending on yours, so the gridlock I'm in right now is more my fault than yours.

[Empire of Donner land]

Okay... Maybe tomorrow I'll post.

Holy shit, I'm so sorry. I'm just... Ohmigod.

Its alright URA. Take your time, we know you're busy.

[Vistora]

Okay... Maybe tomorrow I'll post.

Holy shit, I'm so sorry. I'm just... Ohmigod.

Its alright URA. Take your time, we know you're busy.

You're not even in this RP! *glowers in a simultaneously disapproving and suggestive manner*

[Empire of Donner land]

Its alright URA. Take your time, we know you're busy.

You're not even in this RP! *glowers in a simultaneously disapproving and suggestive manner*

I know his feels mang.

Not really. Just giving condolences because I'm too nice.

[Vistora]

You're not even in this RP! *glowers in a simultaneously disapproving and suggestive manner*

I know his feels mang.

Not really. Just giving condolences because I'm too nice.

Join RP. Know the feels. I command thee. Not really. Pls join tho.

[Excidium Planetis]

Ideally, it would fire Gyrojet-style (more modern example is likely EXACTO, but DARPA hasn't given much details on how those actually work) ammunition, but I suppose caseless 12mm ammunition could also be fired if the rockets were hard to come by.

For obvious reasons, the rifle would not be able to use cased ammunition.

Iunno, electronic actions are starting to appear in more advanced gun designs in 2116, allowing for cased ammo despite no recoil to power the action.

That's not the problem. The problem is there is no way to eject the casings from a caseless ammunition rifle.

Also, does it fire pistol or rifle rounds? The 48mm length and picture makes me think it's either an enlongated pistol round or specialized ammo.

For the Excidian Starsong, the rounds are highly specialized, and keep their small length to prevent the gun from being a LMG.

But this gun can be flexible, and use more appropriate rifle-y ammunition.

Also, Lyza usually uses 7.8mm variants of the EXACTO when she can get her hands on them, which won't be often in the wilderness. Yeah, your gun is solid for use, but keep in mind that ammo can become scarce (even if we are toting Pollo along), and guns that fire commonly used rounds won't have to scrimp bullets.

Well, if you have 7.8 mm EXACTO type rounds, they'd probably be better than what I'm going for. But maybe Vazha just has worse weapons? Or perhaps the heavier caliber is intended?

If this is for Vazha, I suggest he also keep his battle rifle, but that's just a suggestion.

This was supposed to be the battle rifle. It would have the same caliber as a Barrett .50 cal, roughly, but instead of a sniper rifle it would be automatic and have guided rounds by default. I'm not sure what category of weapon that would fall into, but I was under the impression that higher-caliber automatic weapons that weren't machine guns were usually referred to as battle rifles. Admittedly they usually don't fire anything as large as a .50 cal, but with much lower recoil (with rocket ammunition), it could be practical.

I'd say with the same ammo capacity and fire rate of an M1918 BAR, it should be reasonable, yes?

[Vistora]

That's not the problem. The problem is there is no way to eject the casings from a caseless ammunition rifle.

Oooh, okay.

For the Excidian Starsong, the rounds are highly specialized, and keep their small length to prevent the gun from being a LMG.

But this gun can be flexible, and use more appropriate rifle-y ammunition.

Since we don't have explosives of the same RE factor as your nation presumably does, your gun might need to use the 12.7mm, which is basically the BMG .50, just to pack a decent explosive punch. But, as you point out, this is just going by ordinary bullet standards, and since yours uses custom ammo, the specifics are less important.

Well, if you have 7.8 mm EXACTO type rounds, they'd probably be better than what I'm going for. But maybe Vazha just has worse weapons? Or perhaps the heavier caliber is intended?

Again, the heavier caliber is required simply to contain all of the necessary hardware in a single bullet. You have the tracking device, explosive payload, and rocket propellant all within a single cartridge, and so you need a big bullet. It really depends on how powerful you want each shot to be. My recommendation would be a full 12.7 x 99 rifle cartidge, but that's if you want to transform your gun into a miniature rocket launcher. For reasons stated below, that's what I would advise, but it's not required.

This was supposed to be the battle rifle. It would have the same caliber as a Barrett .50 cal, roughly, but instead of a sniper rifle it would be automatic and have guided rounds by default. I'm not sure what category of weapon that would fall into, but I was under the impression that higher-caliber automatic weapons that weren't machine guns were usually referred to as battle rifles. Admittedly they usually don't fire anything as large as a .50 cal, but with much lower recoil (with rocket ammunition), it could be practical.

I'd say with the same ammo capacity and fire rate of an M1918 BAR, it should be reasonable, yes?

If you're firing gyrojets with a low initial velocity, then such high firing rates might not be desirable. Anyways, the reason I would recommend a gun that fires larger projectiles at the rate of a semiautomatic, high-caliber DMR is for reasons of practicality; with such rare, specialized ammo, conservation becomes a priority. I'm not enforcing an ammo scarcity policy unless things get out of hand, but a good survival RP does take these things into account. You don't want to be hosing a battlefield with mini-rockets worth twice their weight in gold unless your kill-per-shot ratio is guaranteed to be high. Again, however, this is simply advice that you may choose to heed or ignore. Also, a 20-round box of .50 cals would be pretty big, but doable.

[The Lusitanian Federation]

EW! Gyrojet!

I am removing any kind of deflector shielding from my space navy and army.
Deflector shields are a little too FT and i have been unable to find anything that makes them plausible.
The Space navy shall rely on the thickness of arcturium armour instead.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

EW! Gyrojet!

I am removing any kind of deflector shielding from my space navy and army.
Deflector shields are a little too FT and i have been unable to find anything that makes them plausible.
The Space navy shall rely on the thickness of arcturium armour instead.

...which still meets opposition lel

[Blakullar]

EW! Gyrojet!

I am removing any kind of deflector shielding from my space navy and army.
Deflector shields are a little too FT and i have been unable to find anything that makes them plausible.
The Space navy shall rely on the thickness of arcturium armour instead.

Lasers and ablative armour are your go-to for PMT warship defence - the former for projectile weapons, the latter for energy weapons. The Mecharussian Aerofleet uses both extensively.

[Excidium Planetis]

@Vistora
My microrockets are not explosive, neither here, nor in Excidium Planetis (Although Excidium does have much larger nuclear explosive versions in the AIMF rounds). Like the Gyrojet, their stopping power is derived solely from their kinetic energy. I see no reason they would need to be much bigger than an actual Gyrojet round.

EW! Gyrojet!

I am removing any kind of deflector shielding from my space navy and army.
Deflector shields are a little too FT and i have been unable to find anything that makes them plausible.
The Space navy shall rely on the thickness of arcturium armour instead.

1) Gyrojet was simply too innovative for its time. With PMT technology, rocket ammunition could be amazing.

2) Magnetic shielding, have you considered it? Great against charged particle weapons and very little else!

[New Frenco Empire]

Kinetic all the way.

[Novum Alexandria]

All these people that aren't brutally obliterating their opponents with a wide array of explosives. :<

[Vistora]

@Vistora
My microrockets are not explosive, neither here, nor in Excidium Planetis (Although Excidium does have much larger nuclear explosive versions in the AIMF rounds). Like the Gyrojet, their stopping power is derived solely from their kinetic energy. I see no reason they would need to be much bigger than an actual Gyrojet round.

Ooooh, okay, that actually explains a lot. Never mind, your original design should be fine. Again, however, the ammo scarcity issue will remain. If you want, you can write up a brief description for me to stick on your character form.

1) Gyrojet was simply too innovative for its time. With PMT technology, rocket ammunition could be amazing.

2) Magnetic shielding, have you considered it? Great against charged particle weapons and very little else!

The last few generations of Vistoran heavy military vehicles utilize a system that projects a rough bubble of air-plasma around the vehicle. It is moderately effective at attenuating shockwaves, and very effective at blocking plasma projectiles.

[Blakullar]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

[New Frenco Empire]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

[Novum Alexandria]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

I think they're both rather inferior to obliterating everything within a large radius with shrapnel, fire, and pain.

[Vistora]

Kinetic all the way.

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Dat energy storage tho. Also, magnetic barriers are very effective against plasma weaponry. And again, energy storage.

[Vistora]

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

It seems you have finally come around to realize the holy gospel of the railgun.

[New Frenco Empire]

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

I think they're both rather inferior to obliterating everything within a large radius with shrapnel, fire, and pain.

But with kinetic weapons, you can make explode-y bullets. Hell, if you're using a railgun, every hit is practically an explosion.

[New Frenco Empire]

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

It seems you have finally come around to realize the holy gospel of the railgun.

I HAVE BEEN THE BIGGEST GAUSS WEAPON FANBOY SINCE DAY FUCKIN' ONE, NIGGA!

[Novum Alexandria]

I think they're both rather inferior to obliterating everything within a large radius with shrapnel, fire, and pain.

But with kinetic weapons, you can make explode-y bullets. Hell, if you're using a railgun, every hit is practically an explosion.

Exactly. Thus, everything is explosives, and explosives always win.
-Any Alexandrian

[Blakullar]

Scrub. Everybody knows that kinetics is inferior to plasma for small arms in every way. A simple assault rifle just doesn't stand a chance in hell against a bolt of superheated gas travelling at mach-5, and then there's the ammunition concerns (or lack thereof, in the latter's case)!

Good luck taking someone's head off from three miles away with an over-complicated toy.

Don't need to. Get up to your bad guy in suitably-heavy (powered) armour, then literally melt him up close and personal.

Oh, and plasma isn't a railgun, ergo it's inferior.

... Shit. You've got me there. Plasma's great for practical stuff, but railguns are just bloody cool.