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[Ardoki]

Do you have nuclear weapons? If so, use them as a deterrent (i.e. publicly announce you will use them if Feng is threatened with defeat or destruction). I can almost guarantee no country will try to invade you.

Using nukes is frowned upon in the II. Frankly no one can invade you without your consent.

I thought you were all about realism.

But seriously, it would be quite unrealistic for a nuclear power to just refuse to use their nuclear deterrent if their country's existence was threatened. I understand why it is frowned upon, it really ruins the opportunity for a good story, however it is quite unrealistic.

I've never had to use nuclear weapons, and I don't really intend to (save for possible tactical use if absolutely necessary). However if I was in (or close to) a position where Ardoki's existence was threatened, I would have to announce before the RP that Ardoki would use nuclear weapons in certain situations (such as an invasion of Ardoki). But one can easily avoid such situations by planning the RP first, so we know what direction it could go in.

[Ardoki]

True, but whenever I refuse to RP it or cancel it, people look upon me IC'ly as a coward.

They will dislike you even more if you wave nukes. With no offense Ardoki, I know what people said about you using nukes .

Besides, most of those views come from countless declarations which are not backed by deeds later on...

I don't believe I ever threatened to respond to the attack with nuclear weapons. I argued that I would retaliate with punitive conventional force, which would lead to a long series of increasingly excessive retaliations which would eventually climax in a nuclear war.

I had every intention of responding conventionally, however I didn't get the chance (which was probably for the best as I'm quite stubborn and wouldn't have given up until I had dealt significantly more damage to Inyursta than I had received, which would not have ended well for either of us).

[Topkekkia]

Using nukes is frowned upon in the II. Frankly no one can invade you without your consent.

I thought you were all about realism.

But seriously, it would be quite unrealistic for a nuclear power to just refuse to use their nuclear deterrent if their country's existence was threatened. I understand why it is frowned upon, it really ruins the opportunity for a good story, however it is quite unrealistic.

I've never had to use nuclear weapons, and I don't really intend to (save for possible tactical use if absolutely necessary). However if I was in (or close to) a position where Ardoki's existence was threatened, I would have to announce before the RP that Ardoki would use nuclear weapons in certain situations (such as an invasion of Ardoki). But one can easily avoid such situations by planning the RP first, so we know what direction it could go in.

Just do what I do; bombard a nation with herbicides to force them into a famine, then hold the seeds that have been modified for resistance hostage. It's worked before.

[New Aeyariss]

I thought you were all about realism.

But seriously, it would be quite unrealistic for a nuclear power to just refuse to use their nuclear deterrent if their country's existence was threatened. I understand why it is frowned upon, it really ruins the opportunity for a good story, however it is quite unrealistic.

I've never had to use nuclear weapons, and I don't really intend to (save for possible tactical use if absolutely necessary). However if I was in (or close to) a position where Ardoki's existence was threatened, I would have to announce before the RP that Ardoki would use nuclear weapons in certain situations (such as an invasion of Ardoki). But one can easily avoid such situations by planning the RP first, so we know what direction it could go in.

On the contrary - especially when another state has nuclear arms also. I wrote about kissingerian dilemma for Ausitoria a while ago.

Even analysts from Russian ministry of defense concluded that eventual war between Russia and NATO in Europe will not have to be nuclear at all. Even when we look at WWII, both sides had chemical weaponry, but hadn't used it even when Berlin was falling. Why? Because they were afraid of eventual response and that is what would most likely happen in case when both sides have nuclear armaments. Both governments posses capability to wipe another off the map, and neither of them is eager to do accept that - but they are not going to abandon their geopolitical struggles. So a limited war erupts, like happened in Korea - which is especially true now, in the era of Hybrid Warfare, when "little green men" can pop out of nowhere and claim that officially they have no links to state that is sponsoring their venture - a claim especially true on NS, considering that Nihonese serve in several armed forces outside Nihon - making few more or few less Nihonese "mercenaries" something not so much noticeable - after all "we were hired to come in here as mercenaries to support this insurgency".

[Victoriala]

I should let you guys know I'm finally getting some reliable allies so I won't be running from many wars anymore.
Still, I don't want to fight any wars yet. I want some peace for a bit IC'ly.

Do you have nuclear weapons? If so, use them as a deterrent (i.e. publicly announce you will use them if Feng is threatened with defeat or destruction). I can almost guarantee no country will try to invade you.

Why would we use our nukes when we have fucking Jericho missiles

[Topkekkia]

Do you have nuclear weapons? If so, use them as a deterrent (i.e. publicly announce you will use them if Feng is threatened with defeat or destruction). I can almost guarantee no country will try to invade you.

Why would we use our nukes when we have fucking Jericho missiles

Why use conventional weapons when you can nerve gas military bases by the dozen?

[Ardoki]

I thought you were all about realism.

But seriously, it would be quite unrealistic for a nuclear power to just refuse to use their nuclear deterrent if their country's existence was threatened. I understand why it is frowned upon, it really ruins the opportunity for a good story, however it is quite unrealistic.

I've never had to use nuclear weapons, and I don't really intend to (save for possible tactical use if absolutely necessary). However if I was in (or close to) a position where Ardoki's existence was threatened, I would have to announce before the RP that Ardoki would use nuclear weapons in certain situations (such as an invasion of Ardoki). But one can easily avoid such situations by planning the RP first, so we know what direction it could go in.

On the contrary - especially when another state has nuclear arms also. I wrote about kissingerian dilemma for Ausitoria a while ago.

Even analysts from Russian ministry of defense concluded that eventual war between Russia and NATO in Europe will not have to be nuclear at all. Even when we look at WWII, both sides had chemical weaponry, but hadn't used it even when Berlin was falling. Why? Because they were afraid of eventual response and that is what would most likely happen in case when both sides have nuclear armaments. Both governments posses capability to wipe another off the map, and neither of them is eager to do accept that - but they are not going to abandon their geopolitical struggles. So a limited war erupts, like happened in Korea - which is especially true now, in the era of Hybrid Warfare, when "little green men" can pop out of nowhere and claim that officially they have no links to state that is sponsoring their venture - a claim especially true on NS, considering that Nihonese serve in several armed forces outside Nihon - making few more or few less Nihonese "mercenaries" something not so much noticeable - after all "we were hired to come in here as mercenaries to support this insurgency".

But would any country be willing to risk that? There are so many factors which could come into play, e.g. a regime might be more willing to use the nuclear deterrent if losing power was just as dangerous for them.

[Great Feng]

I thought you were all about realism.

But seriously, it would be quite unrealistic for a nuclear power to just refuse to use their nuclear deterrent if their country's existence was threatened. I understand why it is frowned upon, it really ruins the opportunity for a good story, however it is quite unrealistic.

I've never had to use nuclear weapons, and I don't really intend to (save for possible tactical use if absolutely necessary). However if I was in (or close to) a position where Ardoki's existence was threatened, I would have to announce before the RP that Ardoki would use nuclear weapons in certain situations (such as an invasion of Ardoki). But one can easily avoid such situations by planning the RP first, so we know what direction it could go in.

On the contrary - especially when another state has nuclear arms also. I wrote about kissingerian dilemma for Ausitoria a while ago.

Even analysts from Russian ministry of defense concluded that eventual war between Russia and NATO in Europe will not have to be nuclear at all. Even when we look at WWII, both sides had chemical weaponry, but hadn't used it even when Berlin was falling. Why? Because they were afraid of eventual response and that is what would most likely happen in case when both sides have nuclear armaments. Both governments posses capability to wipe another off the map, and neither of them is eager to do accept that - but they are not going to abandon their geopolitical struggles. So a limited war erupts, like happened in Korea - which is especially true now, in the era of Hybrid Warfare, when "little green men" can pop out of nowhere and claim that officially they have no links to state that is sponsoring their venture - a claim especially true on NS, considering that Nihonese serve in several armed forces outside Nihon - making few more or few less Nihonese "mercenaries" something not so much noticeable - after all "we were hired to come in here as mercenaries to support this insurgency".

Feng will invade even if Nuclear Weapons are threatened, as Feng believes no country would be insane enough to destroy the world because of MAD.

[Ardoki]

On the contrary - especially when another state has nuclear arms also. I wrote about kissingerian dilemma for Ausitoria a while ago.

Even analysts from Russian ministry of defense concluded that eventual war between Russia and NATO in Europe will not have to be nuclear at all. Even when we look at WWII, both sides had chemical weaponry, but hadn't used it even when Berlin was falling. Why? Because they were afraid of eventual response and that is what would most likely happen in case when both sides have nuclear armaments. Both governments posses capability to wipe another off the map, and neither of them is eager to do accept that - but they are not going to abandon their geopolitical struggles. So a limited war erupts, like happened in Korea - which is especially true now, in the era of Hybrid Warfare, when "little green men" can pop out of nowhere and claim that officially they have no links to state that is sponsoring their venture - a claim especially true on NS, considering that Nihonese serve in several armed forces outside Nihon - making few more or few less Nihonese "mercenaries" something not so much noticeable - after all "we were hired to come in here as mercenaries to support this insurgency".

Feng will invade even if Nuclear Weapons are threatened, as Feng believes no country would be insane enough to destroy the world because of MAD.

I probably would, if my country was invaded and faced with defeat. I had assumed that was not too wild a decision, but apparently many are more sane than me.

[Great Feng]

Feng will invade even if Nuclear Weapons are threatened, as Feng believes no country would be insane enough to destroy the world because of MAD.

I probably would, if my country was invaded and faced with defeat. I had assumed that was not too wild a decision, but apparently many are more sane than me.

Feng would use nukes on you and make your leaders suffer and be tortured and/or executed if you used nukes on Feng.

[Ardoki]

I probably would, if my country was invaded and faced with defeat. I had assumed that was not too wild a decision, but apparently many are more sane than me.

Feng would use nukes on you and make your leaders suffer and be tortured and/or executed if you used nukes on Feng.

I would not have expected anything different. I'm prone to tantrums if things aren't 'perfect', I have learnt to hold them in (I don't express them) however I can still get quite upset if something isn't 'perfect'.

[New Aeyariss]

But would any country be willing to risk that? There are so many factors which could come into play, e.g. a regime might be more willing to use the nuclear deterrent if losing power was just as dangerous for them.

Assuming that there is a chance to permanently destroy geopolitical strength of adversary? Gladly.

Because both counties have will of self - preservation, and none of them is eager to launch the nukes - but both of them calculated that gains from eventual conventional war, such as chasing out the enemy from certain zone, would be equal to the risk - or that nuclear war risk is lower, like in case of France, which adopted "Flexible response doctrine" (for this reason in a plan called "seven days to Rhine" soviets planned nuking Vienna, US forces in Germany, but not Paris).

I probably would, if my country was invaded and faced with defeat. I had assumed that was not too wild a decision, but apparently many are more sane than me.

Riots erupt in Aanglandia, crowds overrun police and military stations, backed up by unknown armed gunmen that start popping out during the riots, with their numbers increasing after the insurgency begins. Many of them are foreigners, openly shouting anti - leftist chants, certain percent of them Nihonese. Ardokian government, after some fighting, captures few of them and interrogates them and then it comes out that they are mercenaries working for several companies registered in multiple counties, many of which are actually having left - leaning governments, which then answer that they can not control what their PMCs do since they are private companies, despite the fact that most of them seem to come from SACTO counties. Remaining ones claim that they belong to "International Anti - Communist Legion for Ardoki" and came here on their own to fight against leftism. Nihonese government, alongside with rest of SACTO, denies any involvement claiming that Type 25/26 single shot RPGs were obtained at black market.

I won't speak of more details of how I would have pulled this operation out (and I have plans ), but whom are you going to nuke?

[Victoriala]

Why would we use our nukes when we have fucking Jericho missiles

Why use conventional weapons when you can nerve gas military bases by the dozen?

Why use nerve gas when you can go full on Yuri and "assimilate" the enemy

[Ardoki]

I probably would, if my country was invaded and faced with defeat. I had assumed that was not too wild a decision, but apparently many are more sane than me.

Riots erupt in Aanglandia, crowds overrun police and military stations, backed up by unknown armed gunmen that start popping out during the riots, with their numbers increasing after the insurgency begins. Many of them are foreigners, openly shouting anti - leftist chants, certain percent of them Nihonese. Ardokian government, after some fighting, captures few of them and interrogates them and then it comes out that they are mercenaries working for several companies registered in multiple counties, many of which are actually having left - leaning governments, which then answer that they can not control what their PMCs do since they are private companies, despite the fact that most of them seem to come from SACTO counties. Remaining ones claim that they belong to "International Anti - Communist Legion for Ardoki" and came here on their own to fight against leftism. Nihonese government, alongside with rest of SACTO, denies any involvement claiming that Type 25/26 single shot RPGs were obtained at black market.

I won't speak of more details of how I would have pulled this operation out (and I have plans ), but whom are you going to nuke?

Yeah. Aanglandia was more trouble than worth, Ardoki had to leave. It was a waste of money and resources for little benefit, we don't need to occupy Aanglandia to control it.

However if the scenario you suggested occurred, we would come down hard on the 'terrorists'. We would not hesitate to use air strikes and chemical weapons against 'terrorist strongholds', retaliatory collective punishment would be used to deter those who support the 'terrorists' from engaging in 'terrorism'. We could go further if need be.

EDIT: Plus Ardoki is an electronic police and surveillance state, we have a lot more control over society than other countries throughout history.

[Victoriala]

ONWARD TO THE CENTER

THE NINE GREAT DIVINES OF THE SOUTHEAST ARE FILLED WITH VICTORIA'S DIVINE BLESSING

GO ON, TWIN FLEETS AND DISPROPORTIONATELY FUCK A SMALL CITY I THINK THE SIZE OF OAHU UP

SEMPER FI, YOU LITTLE SHITS, SEMPER FI

[New Aeyariss]

Yeah. Aanglandia was more trouble than worth, Ardoki had to leave. It was a waste of money and resources for little benefit, we don't need to occupy Aanglandia to control it.

However if the scenario you suggested occurred, we would come down hard on the 'terrorists'. We would not hesitate to use air strikes and chemical weapons against 'terrorist strongholds', retaliatory collective punishment would be used to deter those who support the 'terrorists' from engaging in 'terrorism'. We could go further if need be.

EDIT: Plus Ardoki is an electronic police and surveillance state, we have a lot more control over society than other countries throughout history.

You would have done me greatest service ever...

Say, however, what happened to Aanglandia now? I just want to confirm something.

[Ardoki]

Yeah. Aanglandia was more trouble than worth, Ardoki had to leave. It was a waste of money and resources for little benefit, we don't need to occupy Aanglandia to control it.

However if the scenario you suggested occurred, we would come down hard on the 'terrorists'. We would not hesitate to use air strikes and chemical weapons against 'terrorist strongholds', retaliatory collective punishment would be used to deter those who support the 'terrorists' from engaging in 'terrorism'. We could go further if need be.

EDIT: Plus Ardoki is an electronic police and surveillance state, we have a lot more control over society than other countries throughout history.

You would have done me greatest service ever...

Say, however, what happened to Aanglandia now? I just want to confirm something.

Unoccupied under a provisional government, I haven't got around to forming the government (there'll have to be an election which I probably won't make a thread for). I'm haven't decided if I should give it a RL location or a separate map, which I'll have to do eventually.

[Tangaliro]

We don't need to use nuke,they are harmful to the environment,use some sunshine(that is concentrated to a level and launched as a ray that can melt something) :3

[Singaporean Transhumans]

We don't need to use nuke,they are harmful to the environment,use some sunshine(that is concentrated to a level and launched as a ray that can melt something) :3

archimedes

fuck yeah

[Great Feng]

If I'm Centre-Left, will Nihon or SACTO IC'ly despise Feng and want to conquer it?
Because...
I'm trying to figure out where I stand IC'ly and who my allies are instead of just being neutral out of fear of conquest by SACTO.

[Ardoki]

If I'm Centre-Left, will Nihon or SACTO IC'ly despise Feng and want to conquer it?
Because...
I'm trying to figure out where I stand IC'ly and who my allies are instead of just being neutral out of fear of conquest by SACTO.

Ardoki is centre-left. However a lot of groups which claim to be centre-left are actually centrist.

[The United Remnants of America]

Seems like Sharko is turning into Ardoki with the nation changing...

[Ardoki]

Seems like Sharko is turning into Ardoki with the nation changing...

I was going to mention that. LOL

[The United Remnants of America]

Seems like Sharko is turning into Ardoki with the nation changing...

I was going to mention that. LOL

Does this mean Sharko has to stop being a Remnant ally just like how Ardoki had to stop being a Remnant ally?

Man, that sucks. A couple ore shaky allies, and the URA's gonna have to declare war on the USN.

[Great Feng]

I just remembered!
I have several alts in several regions I need to check!