United Socialist Nations [CLOSED|1.0]

[Ardoki]

Well lessons from all the previous organization, one person can't handle it entirely.

Monarchy Federation under the so called Great Feng.

OEN under...I forgot.

UAS (OEN successor)...under I forgot.

Axis under Asigna.

When the leadership is a clustefuck the organization crumbles. Cant have dictator running things though.

OEN was under Jazikstan (or something similar sounding).

EDIT: That is why I proposed a constitution and more inclusive government as part of my platform, to avoid the reliance on one leader.

[Aeyariss]

Well whatever the past is, the UL is no more.

[Topkekkia]

When the leadership is a clustefuck the organization crumbles. Cant have dictator running things though.

Exactly. That's why we have elections here. To keep the power flowing. Sharko's founder power could be constituted as a dictatorship of sorts, but it pretty much just consists of the ability to accept people. And can we please get back on to the important topic of the USN military base? While having a reverie is nice and all, that can be done with TGs and the like.

[Tangaliro]

You heard of Mao's "Three worlds theory" thing?This alliance is intended to be one to unite the third world. :3

That is a theory I have not heard of. Do feel free to enlighten me.

Basically,the theory splits the world into 3,

• First world is formed by global superpowers like USSR and US,which engages in imperialism and social imperialism(This part will be redefined in the alliance's ideology,however.)
• Second world is formed by developed nations sandwiched in the conflicts of the first world.
• Third world is basically underdeveloped nations in poor states and easily oppressed ones.

Though the "Three worlds theory" of my organization may end up different,the basic concept here is to establish a third power to unite and stand for the weak instead of letting them side with either USN or SACTO for survival.

Wiki page of the original theory:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Worlds_Theory

[Topkekkia]

That is a theory I have not heard of. Do feel free to enlighten me.

Basically,the theory splits the world into 3,

• First world is formed by global superpowers like USSR and US,which engages in imperialism and social imperialism(This part will be redefined in the alliance's ideology,however.)
• Second world is formed by developed nations sandwiched in the conflicts of the first world.
• Third world is basically underdeveloped nations in poor states and easily oppressed ones.

Though the "Three worlds theory" of my organization may end up different,the basic concept here is to establish a third power to unite and stand for the weak instead of letting them side with either USN or SACTO for survival.

Oh, I didn't know that that Mao was the one who had come up with that. So basically, you want to unite third world nations into what effectively handles as well as a first world nation? Sounds pretty great, but discrimination based on ideology will stop it dead in its tracks, I warn you.

[New Aeyariss]

You heard of Mao's "Three worlds theory" thing?This alliance is intended to be one to unite the third world. :3

It is fun fact that Nihonese leadership is actively pursuing their own variant of this theory, using name "post third world" and applying it to cultural, not economic / political terms. In Nihonese view, the colonialism, apart from oppression, made this good that it forced former third world to develop in order to counter colonialist technological and cultural superiority.

Thus, Nihonese government sees "translation" of things as Christianity or certain political models to Former Third World as a good thing, that will allow those nations to develop in future and challenge the "Eurocentric first world", with not America, but Europe being seen as primary enemy.

Oh, Nihonese hate current Europe (though not especially Europe of old) viewing it's culture as socially degenerate, decadent. Nihonese leadership hates Greek Philosophy (which they see is diametrically opposed to Christian faith), and considers it to be origin of Roman - Enlightenment era culture, which they believe is fundamental part of coming civilization of death (as opposed to Christian - Barbaric culture).

"3rd Asiatic Millennium" is a geo - strategic concept developed to earlier doctrines, developed by Gen. Takeda Daisuke. According to this concept, the Latin Civilization of Europeic counties is currently in stage of finals of it's agony. Destroyed by rejecting it's Christian roots and replacing them with man - made philosophies, huge part of Latin Civilization will be decimated as cultural - political sphere. Liberalism, dominant ideology in the west, is also being decimated due to abandoning it's conservative roots and evolving into statism. In this way, it starts to fail to answer to basic problems of modern day societies in Europeic counties; problems with national identity, lack of morality, lack of spirituality or lack of higher cause. When it abandoned it's roots, Daisuke claims, man was made to serve only himself, without any constraints; such mentality is leading to demise of capitalism, for it killed competition, and is leading to replacing of capitalism by statist socialism. Meanwhile, Europeic societies are no longer interested in working, but became lazy and just want state to give them everything. Combined with advancing degeneration of western culture which is starting to lack spiritual values, and visible cultural and ethnic tensions between immigrants and natives in Europeic counties, the "great cultural bubble" will soon explode, leaving many of the key representatives of Latin civilization destroyed. Out of their ashes, basing on classicism of European philosophy and dragging from it's classic doctrines such as liberalism, fascism or communism, a new superstate will arise aimed at enforcing civilization of death on others while forming it's own geopolitical block with number of counties.

General Takeda places against this geopolitical block a new alliance formed out of "Emerging Third World powers". Daisuke argues that colonialism, while extremely devilish and brutal, actually had a positive side; it forced colonized nations to develop ideologically to meet the superior westerners. In his book "Analysis of Power" Gen. Daisuke pointed inyourfaciestan as example of such development, where due to well prospering capitalist economy a former third world nation became influential geopolitical power, alongside Gran Cuscatlan holding entire Latin American continent within it's power projection range. For Gen. Takeda "communist national liberation movements" were nothing more than agents of Moscow's colonialism, using ideology and hidden hand of KGB to take over counties, rather than like previous colonialists did, invade the land and subjugate it.


To continue it's growth and expand, the emerging former third world powers will have to develop ideologically, purging all European - made ideologies out of their land. As Europeic nations will accept the civilization of death, they will stop loosing their advantages. Daisuke sees "march" of Christianity into third world, it's growth in Korea and China, growing populations, expansion of military power and control over many resources as an evidence that third world is yet to have major geo - political transformation.

Civilization of death will of course attempt to restore colonialism, but this time the 3rd world will be fully developed and ready to meet the challenge. Led by various movements like Integralism / Contre - Liberaliso in Americas, Asiapacificanism in Pacific / Asia region, Riysan version of Arab nationalism and allying with reactionary Europeic that remained, a new conservative alliance will appear as counter to all "Europeocentric" ideologies and systems, to finally break them or face Armageddon. This conflict is called "1st Inter - Ideological War"

In order to realize this goal, Nihon, according to Gen. Daisuke, should encourage Asiatic unity on international scale and use it's geopolitical power to take leading place Asiapacificanist movement and lead the Asiatic states in "1st Inter - Ideological War" until victory or demise.

[Tangaliro]

Basically,the theory splits the world into 3,

• First world is formed by global superpowers like USSR and US,which engages in imperialism and social imperialism(This part will be redefined in the alliance's ideology,however.)
• Second world is formed by developed nations sandwiched in the conflicts of the first world.
• Third world is basically underdeveloped nations in poor states and easily oppressed ones.

Though the "Three worlds theory" of my organization may end up different,the basic concept here is to establish a third power to unite and stand for the weak instead of letting them side with either USN or SACTO for survival.

Oh, I didn't know that that Mao was the one who had come up with that. So basically, you want to unite third world nations into what effectively handles as well as a first world nation? Sounds pretty great, but discrimination based on ideology will stop it dead in its tracks, I warn you.

Thats why toleration is important,and will become an important part of the ideology of the organization.

[New Aeyariss]

Well the United Left completely annihilated the OEN (Order of 'Enlightened' Nations).

And then UL broke down, and after that the lord granted me pleasure of shattering TUM to pieces in one RP. Even recently I exposed his scheme for another OOC plot by accidentally entering name "Deian" in pastebin's search engine...

[New Aeyariss]

Oh, I didn't know that that Mao was the one who had come up with that. So basically, you want to unite third world nations into what effectively handles as well as a first world nation? Sounds pretty great, but discrimination based on ideology will stop it dead in its tracks, I warn you.

Thats why toleration is important,and will become an important part of the ideology of the organization.

And we just found the reason for our upcoming IC rivalry .

[Topkekkia]

Thats why toleration is important,and will become an important part of the ideology of the organization.

And we just found the reason for our upcoming IC rivalry .

G r a d e - A c l u s t e r f u c k

[Aeyariss]

And can we please get back on to the important topic of the USN military base?

My Opinion on some basic military issues and not just the base:

We need to have a central HQ to coordinate all activities and joint operations but we all should have USN member forces stationed in our nation bases for fostering close relations and military coordination.

We need to form some sort of semi permanent administrative formation with smaller units detachable/attachable on rotational basis.

We need to train with one another further to understand each other capabilities. Joint operations isn't the usual cluster fuck where everyone dance by himself in NS War, it's more like an orchestra performing as one with a common goal and task delegation.

We need to have international agreement that says each nation is to contribute in terms of economy and militarily to support USN joint operations.

We have to have some form of standardization; calibers of ammunition used in our small arms, artillery, and even to communication protocols and code. (Aeyariss use 5.56mm, if you lot use 7.62mm, in a joint operations we won't be able to supply and support each other logistically. Pinned down in a firefight, if our soldiers can't give extra ammo magazines, other USN soldiers is as good as dead).

There's the question of doctrine as well, our armies and how we fight are derived on that basic doctrine. USN should have a coordinating doctrine at least so that policies and formation of units can be more effectively mission oriented.

Conventional mission should have a clear command and control planning but decentralized execution.

We can open up transfer of officers from one USN member to another. Or USN army training.

Unconventional military mission should be planned according to context and overall USN policies. Execution should be decentralized.

Then there's the important question of whether we are defensive in nature or capable of first preemptive strike.

[Ardoki]

Countries should just leave each other along, and stop trying to spread imperialist hatred.

Ardoki was never much of an imperialist, yet we were still hated.

[Topkekkia]

And can we please get back on to the important topic of the USN military base?

My Opinion on some basic military issues and not just the base:

We need to have a central HQ to coordinate all activities and joint operations but we all should have USN member forces stationed in our nation bases for fostering close relations and military coordination.

We need to form some sort of semi permanent administrative formation with smaller units detachable/attachable on rotational basis.

We need to train with one another further to understand each other capabilities. Joint operations isn't the usual cluster fuck where everyone dance by himself in NS War, it's more like an orchestra performing as one with a common goal and task delegation.

We need to have international agreement that says each nation is to contribute in terms of economy and militarily to support USN joint operations.

We have to have some form of standardization; calibers of ammunition used in our small arms, artillery, and even to communication protocols and code. (Aeyariss use 5.56mm, if you lot use 7.62mm, in a joint operations we won't be able to supply and support each other logistically. Pinned down in a firefight, if our soldiers can't give extra ammo magazines, other USN soldiers is as good a dead).

There's the question of doctrine as well, our armies and how we fight are derived on that basic doctrine. USN should have a coordinating doctrine at least so that policies and formation of units can be more effectively mission oriented.

Conventional mission should have a clear command and control planning but decentralized execution.

Unconventional military mission should be planned according to context and overall USN policies.

Then there's the important question of whether we are defensive in nature or capable of first preemptive strike.

I say that we have our central HQ move according to who the GAC/President currently is. The central HQ doesn't have to be pretty, it can just latch on to local military bases.
As for training, we need to pick things up in that training exercise.
For a contribution, a percentage of GDP between 0.5 and 2 % sounds good.
Since standardization of caliber is an issue, I vote for 7.62 x 51, or 7.62 x 39 failing that, as both rounds have good stopping power. Although generals love the idea of maiming, a wounded man can still shoot, a dead man cannot.
If we could, I think we should follow Clausewitz's doctrine on war: Do what is needed to meet the political objective of the conflict, and focus on that before anything else.
We should be capable of first strike, but focused on defense.

[Victoriala]

Because he is a commie that can fight. Something I lacked for a while .

And this means.... You know what too well...

You would better not rush in and think about taking me down though,I know you have SACTO with you,but the whole Tri-region's on my back on non-tri-regional matters.And doing so would just push me toward cooperating with LARU.

After all,your choice. :)

If you got us into trouble I swear to god I will massacre you

[Victoriala]

Fact:I'm planning to start my very own international alliance,I won't leave USN,but I think an extra alliance to participate in won't hurt. :3

The organization would be about third world,socialists and communists. :3

Heres da emblem I designed for it :3
(Image)

Ya boy fix the colors

[Victoriala]

And we just found the reason for our upcoming IC rivalry .

G r a d e - A c l u s t e r f u c k

Not even a color-coded month gotta contain this shit

[The United Remnants of America]

WTF is even going on.

[Topkekkia]

WTF is even going on.

Shitposting, failed attempts at serious discussion, celebrating the thousandth post with a thinly veiled banepost, the usual.

[Tangaliro]

You would better not rush in and think about taking me down though,I know you have SACTO with you,but the whole Tri-region's on my back on non-tri-regional matters.And doing so would just push me toward cooperating with LARU.

After all,your choice. :)

If you got us into trouble I swear to god I will massacre you

But I never said I will drag USN into it if shit happens :c

P.S.Ya true,if things like that happens,I will leave the decision on whether to help me to the organization(that means I will not take part in any votes about that),even if you refuses to I understand.

[Aeyariss]

Relax, SACTO is not interested in USN as a RPing partner. If there's a planned conflict, it will be limited and not dragging everyone into a inter alliances cluster fuck. Those always failed. Besides, if challenged, we can always say No if we are unprepared. Choose your battles wisely.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

You would better not rush in and think about taking me down though,I know you have SACTO with you,but the whole Tri-region's on my back on non-tri-regional matters.And doing so would just push me toward cooperating with LARU.

After all,your choice. :)

If you got us into trouble I swear to god I will massacre you

i second this

If DHQ-651 is destroyed, the quadraphysical remnants of Tangaliro will be utterly wiped from existence and them be loathed for ages to come among Synkomese people.

[Topkekkia]

If you got us into trouble I swear to god I will massacre you

i second this

If DHQ-651 is destroyed, the quadraphysical remnants of Tangaliro will be utterly wiped from existence and them be loathed for ages to come among Synkomese people.

Why would you make your god-machine destroyable? Just spread it out through a series of networks.

[Aeyariss]

Took the liberty to register USN here.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Took the liberty to register USN here.

>mfw lom not on list

Or are organizations of other tech levels not registered? If so, no problem.

i second this

If DHQ-651 is destroyed, the quadraphysical remnants of Tangaliro will be utterly wiped from existence and them be loathed for ages to come among Synkomese people.

Why would you make your god-machine destroyable? Just spread it out through a series of networks.

It is destroyable from the beginning, depending on how unstable the inhabitants become.

[Aeyariss]

>mfw lom not on list

Last stalk list updated was April 2015, any organization formed after that is...not listed.

Surveillance Program will be expanded soon.