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Miklania
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Postby Miklania » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:28 am

No, nevermind.

Is anybody else interested in a standardized tank?

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Postby Corindia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:57 pm

Now, if it's any consolation, I'd be happy to standardize on some sort of Stryker or Boxer like APC, I think the one I'm rolling now is like 40 or 50 years old

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Postby Miklania » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:47 am

The Joint Bomber Program is done. Hussar is a tentative name, if you don't like it, please propose a new name.

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On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Sun Jul 01, 2018 8:50 am

Wow! Looks great! And Hussar works for me

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Postby Miklania » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:23 pm

Coming soon, STANAGS for light vehicle armor and Active Protection Systems.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Sun Jul 01, 2018 3:12 pm

Light Armor STANAGs

Level 1
7.62x51mm FMJ ball at 30m
5.56x45mm FMJ-BT at 30m
155mm HE fragments at 100m

Level 2
7.62x39mm API at 30m
155mm HE fragments at 80m

Level 3
7.62x51mm AP at 30m
155mm HE fragments at 60m

Level 4
14.5x114mm AP at 200m
155mm HE fragments at 30m

Level 5
25mm APDS-T at 500m
155mm HE fragments at 25m

Level 6
30mm APFSDS or AP at 500m
155mm HE fragments at 10m

Level 1
Grenades and small explosives at 1m

Level 2
6 kg blast AT mines
2a - under any wheel or track
2b - under center

Level 3
8 kg blast AT mines
3a - under any wheel or track
3b - under center

Level 4
10 kg blast AT mines
3a - under any wheel or track
3b - under center

Level 5
12 kg blast AT mines
3a - under any wheel or track
3b - under center

Level 6
14 kg blast AT mines
3a - under any wheel or track
3b - under center

Level 1
7.62x51mm FMJ ball at 0-30o angle
5.56x45mm FMJ-BT at 0-30o angle
155mm HE fragments at 100m
1a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Level 2
7.62x39mm API at 0-30o angle
155mm HE fragments at 0-30o angle
2a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Level 3
7.62x51mm AP at 0-30o angle
155mm HE fragments at 0-30o angle
Grenades and small explosives on surface
3a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Level 4
14.5x114mm AP at 0-30o angle
7.62x51mm FMJ ball at 90o angle
5.56x45mm FMJ-BT at 90o angle
155mm HE fragments at 0-30o angle
.5 kg blast explosive
4a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Level 5
25mm APDS-T at 0-30o angle
7.62x51mm AP at 90o angle
155mm HE fragments at 0-30o angle
.6 kg bomblet with .18 kg shaped charge at 45-90* angle
5a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Level 6
30mm APFSDS or AP at 0-30o angle
7.62x51mm AP at 0-30o angle
155mm HE fragments at 0-30o angle
.6 kg bomblet with .18 kg shaped charge at 0-90* angle
6a - interior protection against incendiary liquids on surface

Requirements:

System lethal danger zone must be no greater than 15m from point of detonation
Reaction time must be less than 500 ms
Engagement reliability of at least 80%
360* Coverage

Desired Attributes:

System lethal danger zone no more than 5m from point of detonation
Reaction time less than 350 ms
Engagement reliability of 100%
Simultaneous threat defeat of at least 2 targets
Multiple hit protection against at least 4 targets
Utilizes insensitive explosives

Capability Tiers:

Tier 1
Detects and engages HEAT rockets or shells at <500 m/s
Reduces armor penetration by at least 80%

Tier 2
Detects and engages HEAT rockets or shells at >500 m/s
Reduces armor penetration by at least 95%

Tier 3
Detects and engages HEAT rockets or shells and kinetic energy penetrators at >1000 m/s
Reduces HEAT armor penetration by at least 95%
Reduces KEP armor penetration by at least 40%

Tier 4
Detects and engages HEAT rockets or shells and kinetic energy penetrators at >1500 m/s
Reduces HEAT armor penetration by at least 95%
Reduces KEP armor penetration by at least 90%
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On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Wed Jul 04, 2018 9:21 am

Mik do you have a factbook for that bomber?

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Postby Miklania » Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:07 am

Corindia wrote:Mik do you have a factbook for that bomber?

Not yet.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:21 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/nation=sam ... id=1065282
Hey guys, how onerous does this look? It doesn't really mention subordinating anything to a central command but I think it's weird that there's any military stuff in there at all. Was thinking of joining but the military bits are dissuading me.

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Postby Miklania » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:18 pm

If I recall correctly this concept was "a southern seas version of MSTO". And I do recall correctly because that's a direct quote. I'd say it's pretty much exclusive with the MSTO, and isn't composed of long standing nations anyway. I'd ignore it unless they actually do something with it.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:26 pm

Miklania wrote:If I recall correctly this concept was "a southern seas version of MSTO". And I do recall correctly because that's a direct quote. I'd say it's pretty much exclusive with the MSTO, and isn't composed of long standing nations anyway. I'd ignore it unless they actually do something with it.

That's what I was thinking. If it was exclusively some sort of economic or freedom of movement thing then I might at least look into it to boost Southern Sea RP, but I don't think that's how it'll turn out. It's a shame because this is like the third time some sort of promising Southern Sea org has veered into military business and made itself untenable.

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Postby Corindia » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:21 am

Miklania wrote:(Image)

Tail options.

Original is at the top. Personally, I like the bottom one. I'll develop that one more.

hey mik, do you have any real life sources of inspiration for the bent pelikan tail you have on the second bomber?

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Postby Miklania » Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:36 pm

Can't say that I do.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Mon Aug 06, 2018 5:12 pm

Miklania wrote:Can't say that I do.

hmm.
I was thinking of using that sort of design for one of the medium sized tilt-rotors, might have to look on deviantart for an example

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Postby Corindia » Mon Aug 06, 2018 7:58 pm

Image

@Miklania mostly but also worth reviewing by the rest of the 'TO
its tentative name is the loadlord 4000
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Postby Miklania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:36 am

I'm redesigning Stormkeeper again.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Polar Svalbard » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:31 pm

Mein goodness.

Nonetheless once I get the full motivation to NS again I need to redesign the Svalbardian military. Mostly in regards to the ground forces.
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Postby Miklania » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:58 pm

I'm going to make it smaller and carry more of it's own weapons.

Like this beastly point defense launcher.

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On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Corindia » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:21 am

ooh, very good

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Postby Miklania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 12:14 pm

For the moment there's this.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Norstham » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:07 pm

Miklania wrote:For the moment there's this.

Crikey...

Do you have copies of the Hussar in individual templates for each nation, Mik?
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Postby Miklania » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:13 pm

Norstham wrote:
Miklania wrote:For the moment there's this.

Crikey...

Do you have copies of the Hussar in individual templates for each nation, Mik?

I don't but I can make them tomorrow.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:11 am

https://prodev2go.files.wordpress.com/2 ... -draft.pdf

Y'all should check this out. It's an analysis of the war in the Ukraine.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:20 am


On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Postby Miklania » Sat Sep 01, 2018 12:38 pm

So, to get small arms out of the way, there are four basic types that we can agree to standardize on for the basic rifle/light machine gun role.

Conventional Brass Case: Low risk, highest weight

Conventional Plastic Case: Moderate risk, less weight, less cost, technical challenges

Cased Telescoped Ammunition (CTA): Moderate risk, less weight, less cost

Caseless: High risk, lowest weight, technical challenges

Let's start by voting for a case option.

I vote for CTA, since it has been successfully demonstrated in both the ACR and LSAT programs in the real world, and provides important weight advantages over conventional ammunition.

On Government: Checks and balances and ways of stopping things from happening are the only things that provide a stable government and a stable society.

On Democracy: It is a very neutral thing. It can be the best way of ensuring a reasonable government, or it can lead to genocide in the name of 'the people'.

On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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