Dawn - Progressivist vs Conservative conflict (OOC/Closed)

[Whiteshore]

Zhouran, the average Soviet fanatic would have said something similar about the CPUSA, right?

Maybe. Just remember that communism is splitted into numerous variants. All I know is that CPUSA is not stalinist, but rather more of soft-communism. Kind of similar between the Republicans of America and the Liberal Party here (ironic considering the fact that they're conservatives). The Republican GOP are kind of hardline conservatives while the "liberals" here are soft conservatives who are pro-choice for some reason (I'm hardline statist reactionary, making me more aligned to Russian-style conservatism than Aussie or American conservatism).

Aussie Conservatism is closer to Libertarianism, right? And BTW, the "Liberals" in the Philippines are also conservative TMK.

[Asigna]

Kek

Sounds like North Korea v. 2.0 (but less Songun and more Progressivism)

Except, we have elections.

It is interesting to note that the Liberal party is not liberal at all. But rather a confederation of church leaders, Filipino social conservatives, Religious leaders, elderly people who have aging social values and the like. In short, it is a conservative party that holds less than half but a considerate portion of the malacanang.

We have freedom of religion (we just discourage teaching religion is schools and rather allow people to think for themselves and decide for their own religion when they grow up using humanist values as the foundations for their morality).

And have an infrastructural bank.

And a democratic constitution.

Things Zhouran never has.

[Zhouran]

Maybe. Just remember that communism is splitted into numerous variants. All I know is that CPUSA is not stalinist, but rather more of soft-communism. Kind of similar between the Republicans of America and the Liberal Party here (ironic considering the fact that they're conservatives). The Republican GOP are kind of hardline conservatives while the "liberals" here are soft conservatives who are pro-choice for some reason (I'm hardline statist reactionary, making me more aligned to Russian-style conservatism than Aussie or American conservatism).

1. Aussie Conservatism is closer to Libertarianism, right?

2. And BTW, the "Liberals" in the Philippines are also conservative TMK.

1. Same with American. However, Aussie one is more centrist than American.

2. Last time I checked, the Liberal Party of the Philippines is centrist and opposes both left and right. Personally, I hate that party. The only good Philippine party is the Kilusang Bagong Lipunan.

[Quirina]

Except, we have elections.

It is interesting to note that the Liberal party is not liberal at all. But rather a confederation of church leaders, Filipino social conservatives, Religious leaders, elderly people who have aging social values and the like. In short, it is a conservative party that holds less than half but a considerate portion of the malacanang.

We have freedom of religion (we just discourage teaching religion is schools and rather allow people to think for themselves and decide for their own religion when they grow up using humanist values as the foundations for their morality).

And have an infrastructural bank.

And a democratic constitution.

Things Zhouran never has.

You sound too far away from national progressivism you wanted. Maybe it's just you playing safe, or just playing around like you never had became serious? I don't know, because people who can't be consistent don't deserve credibility.. Like you.

[Asigna]

Except, we have elections.

It is interesting to note that the Liberal party is not liberal at all. But rather a confederation of church leaders, Filipino social conservatives, Religious leaders, elderly people who have aging social values and the like. In short, it is a conservative party that holds less than half but a considerate portion of the malacanang.

We have freedom of religion (we just discourage teaching religion is schools and rather allow people to think for themselves and decide for their own religion when they grow up using humanist values as the foundations for their morality).

And have an infrastructural bank.

And a democratic constitution.

Things Zhouran never has.

You sound too far away from national progressivism you wanted. Maybe it's just you playing safe, or just playing around like you never had became serious? I don't know, because people who can't be consistent don't deserve credibility.. Like you.

By principle, i discourage religion, but by policy, it's a freedom. Though there is also the freedom to turn to National progressivismby realizing it's inevitable and inherent moral superiority. We are enforcing that freedom. And using freedom of information, we are spreading the information about national progressivism for people to know. It is their right to reject or accept the facts presented to them.

In the same manner it is my freedom to buy the things i do not need yet the corporations had told enticed me so i have the freedom to follow anyway.

I don't violate any rights.

[Zhouran]

Kek

Sounds like North Korea v. 2.0 (but less Songun and more Progressivism)

Except, we have elections.

It is interesting to note that the Liberal party is not liberal at all. But rather a confederation of church leaders, Filipino social conservatives, Religious leaders, elderly people who have aging social values and the like. In short, it is a conservative party that holds less than half but a considerate portion of the malacanang.

We have freedom of religion (we just discourage teaching religion is schools and rather allow people to think for themselves and decide for their own religion when they grow up using humanist values as the foundations for their morality).

And have an infrastructural bank.

And a democratic constitution.

Things Zhouran never has.

Maximus Keksimus

- Zhouran is secular, but a majority of the people are religious, especially the military government

- Spiritual Mandate: 34%

- Zhouranese Orthodox Church: 31%

- Not religious: 28%

- Other religions: 7%

- We don't need an infrastructural bank. Our nation is economically stable enough.

- We have Leadership Elections however, but we don't call ourselves democratic.

- Zhouran's people-oriented market economy has made the nation Europe-like wealthy, which is higher than Asian-level wealthy.

- We don't rely on foreigners.

- Zhouranese archipelago is more resource-rich than the entire Philippine archipelago hundred-times over (as resource rich as Russia, China, Australia and the entire African continent)

[Flardania]

Didn't realize there was an OOC thread for this

[Quirina]

By principle, i discourage religion, but by policy, it's a freedom. Though there is also the freedom to turn to National progressivismby realizing it's inevitable and inherent moral superiority. We are enforcing that freedom. And using freedom of information, we are spreading the information about national progressivism for people to know. It is their right to reject or accept the facts presented to them.

In the same manner it is my freedom to buy the things i do not need yet the corporations had told enticed me so i have the freedom to follow anyway.

I don't violate any rights.

Oh? How can freedom become "freedom" when enforced? How can freedom of information become as it is when it only acts like propaganda? How can you say that there is reserved right to reject or accept your Asigna party's principles yet they are the state and just allow religion-connected atrocities in Yemen and Romania by bombing mosques and churches?

Don't talk about freedom when you enslave people, even by discreet principles. Mark my words. Matakot ka o hindi, wala akong pakialam. Isaksak mo ito sa kokote mo dahil ang kitid ng utak mo ang sisira sa mga pangarap mo.

[Asigna]

Oh? How can freedom become "freedom" when enforced? How can freedom of information become as it is when it only acts like propaganda? How can you say that there is reserved right to reject or accept your Asigna party's principles yet they are the state and just allow religion-connected atrocities in Yemen and Romania by bombing mosques and churches?

Don't talk about freedom when you enslave people, even by discreet principles. Mark my words. Matakot ka o hindi, wala akong pakialam. Isaksak mo ito sa kokote mo dahil ang kitid ng utak mo ang sisira sa mga pangarap mo.

What happens in the colonies are out of the question. We are simply experimenting certain social policies in those areas anyway.

Look. I came here for Rping.

Not to argue with you.

[Zhouran]

Like you, Asigna, I came here to RP, not arguing. Can we get back to the subject of this RP, please?

[Asigna]

By principle, i discourage religion, but by policy, it's a freedom. Though there is also the freedom to turn to National progressivismby realizing it's inevitable and inherent moral superiority. We are enforcing that freedom. And using freedom of information, we are spreading the information about national progressivism for people to know. It is their right to reject or accept the facts presented to them.

In the same manner it is my freedom to buy the things i do not need yet the corporations had told enticed me so i have the freedom to follow anyway.

I don't violate any rights.

Oh? How can freedom become "freedom" when enforced? How can freedom of information become as it is when it only acts like propaganda?

But if you insist.

How can we be called a religiously free state if families discourage their children to convert?

I am only doing the opposite, liberating the minds of the young from imposed policies by giving them the opportunity to choose for themselves in the age when they are fit to make that decision.

Like you, Asigna, I came here to RP, not arguing. Can we get back to the subject of this RP, please?

Speak to Quirina.

[New Aeyariss]

Please stop talking about OOC issues. This is NS, if you want to talk about that - NSG awaits.

Asigna you gotten my TG about tanks?

[New Aeyariss]

What Nihonese leadership believes in.

[Quirina]

But if you insist.

How can we be called a religiously free state if families discourage their children to convert?

I am only doing the opposite, liberating the minds of the young from imposed policies by giving them the opportunity to choose for themselves in the age when they are fit to make that decision.

Hahahaha Back to the RP subject (but I'm not done with you).

When will you finish your ORBATs?

[Asigna]

Please stop talking about OOC issues. This is NS, if you want to talk about that - NSG awaits.

Asigna you gotten my TG about tanks?

Yes. I archived it. But i will deal with it later since i was busy finding a second national anthem to replace "Bagon Lipunan" which is a Marcos song.

Luckily i found one, but i don't have enough time.

I'll give you a trailer on what will happen next.

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[Zhouran]

What Nihonese leadership believes in.

Damn, thought both Nihon and Zhouran would have similar beliefs, but I guess I was wrong.

Pretty much the Nihonese government is statist-libertarian hybrid with a sprinkle of good 'ol authoritarianism.

[Guadalupador]

Didn't realize there was an OOC thread for this

Neither did I...

[Flardania]

I'm working on fixing up the Taisuist Ideology.

It argues that Progressiveness and Conservatism are both flawed

[Zhouran]

I'm working on fixing up the Taisuist Ideology.

It argues that Progressiveness and Conservatism are both flawed

That would make Taisuism a third-position ideology, possibly syncretic on the spectrum.

[Flardania]

I'm working on fixing up the Taisuist Ideology.

It argues that Progressiveness and Conservatism are both flawed

That would make Taisuism a third-position ideology, possibly syncretic on the spectrum.

Back when I first started it was a more moderate version of Martinezism but now it is taken it's own form. Especially sense there is internally issues with going to far towards Progressive or Conservative.

[Zhouran]

That would make Taisuism a third-position ideology, possibly syncretic on the spectrum.

Back when I first started it was a more moderate version of Martinezism but now it is taken it's own form. Especially sense there is internally issues with going to far towards Progressive or Conservative.

Once you're finished with fixing up Taisuism, I'll look at it and see where it would fit politically.

Sounds interesting that your ideology opposes both sides of the same coin.

[Guadalupador]

Since I'm playing as Admiral Quardya's young dictatorship in New Yama, I've got intelligence agents headed into the Bayan under the cover of a flood of refugees escaping his rule.

[Gigaverse]

That would make Taisuism a third-position ideology, possibly syncretic on the spectrum.

Back when I first started it was a more moderate version of Martinezism but now it is taken it's own form. Especially sense there is internally issues with going to far towards Progressive or Conservative.

I endorse this.

[New Aeyariss]

@Quirina, @Asigna.

I am calling you both to calm down and RP.

I disagree with Asigna a lot, but I do not bring that into IC.

Let's have a nice, deep RP, instead of OOC arguments and trickery. Thank you!

[Zhouran]

This is what I sent to Asigna on TG

Asigna, I have a plan in relating to Operation: The Hunt for the Philippine Eagle (planned invasion of Luzon only)
And no, this isn't gonna be a Lebensraum-like plan. Instead, the Zhouranese government (the moderate faction to be specific) plan to establish a puppet state, starting from Batanes down towards Bulacan and Bataan. This means that the northern half of Luzon is controlled by a pro-Zhouran puppet military state.

Because Bulacan is just north of Metro Manila, a wall will be placed to separate the Philippines (Asigna) and North Philippines (puppet state). This would be comparable to the Korean DMZ and Berlin Wall.

This would place the Philippines in a situation similar to Korea's today and Germany's during the Cold War, but instead of the cliche capitalism-communism split, it's a conservative-progressive split.