Dawn - Progressivist vs Conservative conflict (OOC/Closed)

[Bashriyya]

Just joking, you will see, and you will like.

Oh goodie. Jafar Asma returns.

He has been missing for a while, because he is secretly being held in special high-security prison Nasheed built in his basement.

[Bashriyya]

Actually retcon that, Jafar Asma is organizing a rebel invasion force in some Sub-Saharan country to attempt to return to Bashriyya.

[Asigna]

Actually retcon that, Jafar Asma is organizing a rebel invasion force in some Sub-Saharan country to attempt to return to Bashriyya.

Mustafa Omar and Asma would make a great team to turn the barbaric and backward superstitious country into a powerful and great rational nation with a voice in world affairs.

[Bashriyya]

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=355143

[Asigna]

Nation name: Feng
Side with (conservatives, progressivists, observer): Progressivists
Population: 400 million
Government type: Constitutional Monarchy where the King holds power
Map: Here
Military size: 2.4 million total(1 million active, 1.4 million reserve)
Economic size (GDP nominal): 26,000 GDP Per Capita

Accepted

[Flardania]

I chose the progressivists because I think(I'm not sure) that my allies/friends Flard and them were on that side.
If not, switch me to conservatives.

Oi think fer ya self fella. What does Feng stand for not it's allies

[Bashriyya]

http://www.nationstates.net/nation=krajistov_sfr

Jafar Asma is officially in GTR's country.

[Asigna]

I chose the progressivists because I think(I'm not sure) that my allies/friends Flard and them were on that side.
If not, switch me to conservatives.

Oi think fer ya self fella. What does Feng stand for not it's allies

Why the hell do people discourage from joining the cause. The conservatives are worse.

[Victoriala]

Yeah. And also, for clarity's sake, my Federal Filipino/Philippine Republic (and other names) is part of the Great Quirina Republic. It's a nation-state (FFR) within a country (GQR).

We really do need a map though, because I really don't know certain people countries are located and there a lotta NS that has the same location.

To be honest I'm not in earth so

[Krajistov SFR]

Oi think fer ya self fella. What does Feng stand for not it's allies

Why the hell do people discourage from joining the cause. The conservatives are worse.

To say the faction opposing you is somehow more worse is fairly bias.

Maybe you should write this down instead?

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

[Asigna]

Why the hell do people discourage from joining the cause. The conservatives are worse.

To say the faction opposing you is somehow more worse is fairly bias.

Maybe you should write this down instead?

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

Fine fine ill stop...

[Flardania]

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

This makes me feel like I should not support this group as the definition makes it that I can't fall into this group

The progressivist faction - Composed of the bayan (Asigna Philippines). It believes in the principles of democracy, egalitarianism, free markets (depending on who you ask) and civil rights for all.

Seems like an important detail is missing, I can't exactly tell what.

I can't stay out all I know is that the current Administration will be active against the progressives in the middle east.

[Krajistov SFR]

Nation name: Social Federal Republic of Krajistov
Side with (conservatives, progressivists, observer): Progressives
Population: 985 million
Government type: National-Progressivist single-party state Totalitarian dictatorship
Map: we own both Krajistov and Crujoslavia
Military size: will be posted
Economic size (GDP nominal): $1,807,100,000,000.00

[Asigna]

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

This makes me feel like I should not support this group as the definition makes it that I can't fall into this group

Strangely enough. This is the description Zhouran wanted for the con faction. I kinda agree on the descript. It's very unfortunately accurate based on my personal experiences with once being close with SACTO's inner administrative circle during the days of the Axis.

The progressivist faction - Composed of the bayan (Asigna Philippines). It believes in the principles of democracy, egalitarianism, free markets (depending on who you ask) and civil rights for all.

Seems like an important detail is missing, I can't exactly tell what.

I can't stay out all I know is that the current Administration will be active against the progressives in the middle east.

That's everything. We don't oppose anything other than religious fundamentalism which is primitive so there is nothing more to add.

[Alaskan Democratic Federative Republic]

[spoiler=I'm watching this]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIXL6tpddk[/spoiler]

So, who's on what side?
My nation will be swayed by the number of allies on the different sides.

That what I've been trying ask for a while Asigna you should write the belligerents sides .

[Asigna]

Nation name: Social Federal Republic of Krajistov
Side with (conservatives, progressivists, observer): Progressives
Population: 985 million
Government type: National-Progressivist single-party state Totalitarian dictatorship
Map: (Image) we own both Krajistov and Crujoslavia
Military size: will be posted
Economic size (GDP nominal): $1,807,100,000,000.00

Accepted.

[Victoriala]

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

This makes me feel like I should not support this group as the definition makes it that I can't fall into this group

The progressivist faction - Composed of the bayan (Asigna Philippines). It believes in the principles of democracy, egalitarianism, free markets (depending on who you ask) and civil rights for all.

Seems like an important detail is missing, I can't exactly tell what.

I can't stay out all I know is that the current Administration will be active against the progressives in the middle east.

Join the third group

The Popcorn Faction - third-party nerds who suddenly found out about the war and decided to do their own thing in it and watch the story burn the world.

[Krajistov SFR]

Nation name: Social Federal Republic of Krajistov
Side with (conservatives, progressivists, observer): Progressives
Population: 985 million
Government type: National-Progressivist single-party state Totalitarian dictatorship
Map: (Image) we own both Krajistov and Crujoslavia
Military size: will be posted
Economic size (GDP nominal): $1,807,100,000,000.00

Accepted.

we have a total of 52,000 active personnel but this will change as soon as the draft is put back in effect.

[Asigna]

[spoiler=I'm watching this]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hIXL6tpddk[/spoiler]

So, who's on what side?
My nation will be swayed by the number of allies on the different sides.

That what I've been trying ask for a while Asigna you should write the belligerents sides .

Progressivists:

Me
Ardoki
Whiteshore
GALAN (the alliance in my sig)
Krajistov SFR
Deian Salazar
Nationalist Eminral republic
Alaskan Democratic Federative republic

Conservatives:
The Santiago anti communist treaty organization
Bashriyya
Neo Philippine Empire
Zhouran
1/2 of Guadalupador

Neutral: (nations still unsure)
Flardania
Huda
Victoriala

[Asigna]

Progressivists:

Me
Ardoki
Whiteshore
GALAN (the alliance in my sig)
Krajistov SFR
Deian Salazar
Nationalist Eminral republic
Alaskan Democratic Federative republic

Conservatives:
The Santiago anti communist treaty organization
Bashriyya
Neo Philippine Empire
Zhouran
1/2 of Guadalupador

Neutral: (nations still unsure)
Flardania
Huda
Victoriala

Ah, my nation would most likely be on the conservative side then.

Also, new map, and change my pop to 450 million.

Oh so you won't be joining the great revelation how so unfortunate.

[Flardania]

The conservative faction - Composed of right wing nations who oppose the bayan. The faction consists of various types of conservatives, from Christian fundamentalists to paleoconservatives, from pious Islamists both Sunni and Shia to neocons and all the way to the hardline ultra-conservative reactionaries. This faction opposes progressivism, seeing it nothing more than a sign of "moral decay, social degeneracy and cultural-marxism."

This makes me feel like I should not support this group as the definition makes it that I can't fall into this group

The progressivist faction - Composed of the bayan (Asigna Philippines). It believes in the principles of democracy, egalitarianism, free markets (depending on who you ask) and civil rights for all.

Seems like an important detail is missing, I can't exactly tell what.

I can't stay out all I know is that the current Administration will be active against the progressives in the middle east.

Join the third group

The Popcorn Faction - third-party nerds who suddenly found out about the war and decided to do their own thing in it and watch the story burn the world.

I guess fourth party it is.

A quick IC Kirishima 101 recap on how it got to this point. I may have missed some important details but this is the jist of it for anyone intrested.

My problem and dilemma ICly is just before axis defucted into sacto. Kirishima was impressed by the size of force that axis mustered and fearful of the then Zhouran and Asigna alliance which put Kirishima at a risk during Bethuana (hence why Kirishima pulled out of the war leaving Guadalapador and Arcadonisia alone and launching an independent third party invasion of Bethuana.) Afterwards seeking closer relations with two fellow neighboring military powers and despite being moderate, hated communism more than complete capitalism. So joined Axis....creates PCP to unite pacific nations, Axis goes defuct into SACTO. (Zhouran eventually does it's own thing and Asigna get's kicked out). Kirishima following it's original goals followed Asigna out before witnessing shocking defeats at Burma and Chuchara.

As a response Satsuki revamps the military and distanced it self from Asigna. With an dormant power in Zhouran no longer affecting Kirishima and Asigna proven to be weak with Terten going insane and Terten not winning favor of the New Dirigeant Arata Kasuga. Kasuga accepts invitation to rejoin what is now SACTO. Kirishima still hates the far left and was disenfranchised with IFC at the time so it rushes in.

Problem for Kirishima was that Axis did not become SACTO but became SACPCTO with PC standing for pro Conservatism. This linkage of social right wing with capitalism starts make Kirishinans feel uncomfortable despite still being allied. Justification was proven during the Dorian Crisis when Cuscatlan raided the Kirishinan embassy in Nosamo. What this currently leads to a nation that while stronger is frustrated that the alliance it fundamentally loves seems to be doing everything it can to not love it back the way it currently is.

[Asigna]

Join the third group

The Popcorn Faction - third-party nerds who suddenly found out about the war and decided to do their own thing in it and watch the story burn the world.

I guess fourth party it is.

A quick IC Kirishima 101 recap on how it got to this point. I may have missed some important details but this is the jist of it for anyone intrested.

My problem and dilemma ICly is just before axis defucted into sacto. Kirishima was impressed by the size of force that axis mustered and fearful of the then Zhouran and Asigna alliance which put Kirishima at a risk during Bethuana (hence why Kirishima pulled out of the war leaving Guadalapador and Arcadonisia alone and launching an independent third party invasion of Bethuana.) Afterwards seeking closer relations with two fellow neighboring military powers and despite being moderate, hated communism more than complete capitalism. So joined Axis....creates PCP to unite pacific nations, Axis goes defuct into SACTO. (Zhouran eventually does it's own thing and Asigna get's kicked out). Kirishima following it's original goals followed Asigna out before witnessing shocking defeats at Burma and Chuchara.

As a response Satsuki revamps the military and distanced it self from Asigna. With an dormant power in Zhouran no longer affecting Kirishima and Asigna proven to be weak with Terten going insane and Terten not winning favor of the New Dirigeant Arata Kasuga. Kasuga accepts invitation to rejoin what is now SACTO. Kirishima still hates the far left and was disenfranchised with IFC at the time so it rushes in.

Problem for Kirishima was that Axis did not become SACTO but became SACPCTO with PC standing for pro Conservatism. This linkage of social right wing with capitalism starts make Kirishinans feel uncomfortable despite still being allied. Justification was proven during the Dorian Crisis when Cuscatlan raided the Kirishinan embassy in Nosamo. What this currently leads to a nation that while stronger is frustrated that the alliance it fundamentally loves seems to be doing everything it can to not love it back the way it currently is.

The bayan is not weak. It's just the fucked up tactics being used.

Inyursta even commented that the Asigna forces in Lebanon had good equipment and defenses but their tactics were pretty bad

This reflects with the crazy megalomania of the former punong, Terten but now under new leader and a more emboldened army and nation, the bayan is heading to a new chapter with the same agendas yet with different methods.

The SACTO wars were our Vietnam. Terten is our Nixon.

[Krajistov SFR]

I have plans to send Jafar Asma back into Bashriyya's nation, but if so I will have him flown to Yemen.

[Asigna]

I have plans to send Jafar Asma back into Bashriyya's nation, but if so I will have him flown to Yemen.

Tell me more on TG.

[Krajistov SFR]

I have plans to send Jafar Asma back into Bashriyya's nation, but if so I will have him flown to Yemen.

Tell me more on TG.

I shall send the TG, btw viewtopic.php?f=5&t=351888 this should be great, our leaders shaking hands will be televised.