[TWI ONLY] The Senate of the Western Isles

[Dashgrinaar]

The Senate now moves to discussion on Further Increasing Representation Amendment, 2016.

[Agadar]

After consulting with my vouchers, my opinion of the amendment remains positive.

However, there is something in the Constitution that may also need to be changed in order for this amendment to work. Specifically, Article IV Section 4, which states:

Any member nation who has at least three vouchers is a Senator. Any vouchers over three have no effect. If less than three nations have three or more vouchers, then the President shall appoint one or more Temporary Senators from the nations who wish to be Senators so that the total Temporary Senators and Senators is three. The Temporary Senators' terms expire as soon as nations receive the necessary three vouchers.

This appointed temporary Senator won't have any vouchers, thus his voting power would be zero. Ergo, the appointment of such a temporary Senator is pointless, unless this section is changed. I would suggest to add to this Section the following sentence:

A Temporary Senator has a number of votes equal to the minimum amount of vouchers that is required to be a Senator.

That means that every Temporary Senator would have 3 votes, as a Senator requires 3 vouchers to be in office.

[Vancouvia]

Further Increasing Representation Amendment

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“An amendment to grant proportional votes to Senators that attain widespread support"

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(1) Changes "Senators are each granted one vote." in Article IV, Section 1 to "Senators are each granted one vote per vouch they have."

(2) Changes Section 4 from "Any member nation who has at least three vouchers is a Senator. Any vouchers over three have no effect. If less than three nations have three or more vouchers, then the President shall appoint one or more Temporary Senators from the nations who wish to be Senators so that the total Temporary Senators and Senators is three. The Temporary Senators' terms expire as soon as nations receive the necessary three vouchers."

to

"Any member nation who has at least three vouchers is a Senator. If less than three nations have three or more vouchers, then the President shall appoint one or more Temporary Senators from the nations who wish to be Senators so that the total Temporary Senators and Senators is three. The Temporary Senators' terms expire as soon as nations receive the necessary three vouchers. Temporary Senators shall be granted three votes each."

Thanks for catching that

[Wildelyn]

I like it tbh,

Gives senators more powers depending on their popularity.
great

[Xrevaro]

I approve of this bill and it ensure that the true voice of the people is heard. I find no fault with the current bill.

[Amberlena]

Are there political parties? Vancouvia said parties should select one candidate, but I didn't see anything in the candidates platforms about party.

[Vancouvia]

Are there political parties? Vancouvia said parties should select one candidate, but I didn't see anything in the candidates platforms about party.

There aren't any real parties right now, but I was using that as an example to show how it's a better system.

[Dashgrinaar]

I am currently for the bill at hand. I think it will improve the Senate, and provide more democracy for the people.

[Wildelyn]

i motion to vote

[Doppler]

Further Increasing Representation Amendment

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“An amendment to grant proportional votes to Senators that attain widespread support"

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(1) Changes "Senators are each granted one vote." in Article IV, Section 1 to "Senators are each granted one vote per vouch they have."

(2) Changes Section 4 from "Any member nation who has at least three vouchers is a Senator. Any vouchers over three have no effect. If less than three nations have three or more vouchers, then the President shall appoint one or more Temporary Senators from the nations who wish to be Senators so that the total Temporary Senators and Senators is three. The Temporary Senators' terms expire as soon as nations receive the necessary three vouchers."

to

"Any member nation who has at least three vouchers is a Senator. If less than three nations have three or more vouchers, then the President shall appoint one or more Temporary Senators from the nations who wish to be Senators so that the total Temporary Senators and Senators is three. The Temporary Senators' terms expire as soon as nations receive the necessary three vouchers. Temporary Senators shall be granted three votes each."

Hmmm, this bill seems a bit funky just if someone simply has more vouches they have more power. Seems odd to me. Anyone else?
Thanks for catching that

[Xrevaro]

Doppler, I think you put your sentence in the quote?
Anyways I second the motion to vote brought forth by wildelyn and I believe the voting period is now open in which I vote aye for the bill.

[Agadar]

I, too, vote FOR.

[Wildelyn]

I am going to put my vote in ABSTAIN

[The Pacific Peace Union]

I propose this to the Senate, the idea came up after I had a dispute with a member over him not being able to run for Justice and Senator at the same time. I believe it is a risk and can lead to issues down the road such as interfering with the law against holding two offices at once. It will also stop greedy people who simply wish to have a government title and who have no passion or desire to lead from giving themselves multiple chances of being elected.

Dual Candidacy Amendment

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“An amendment to limit the number of offices one can run for simultaneously."

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(1) Amends Article V, Section 4 " Any non-officer can challenge an officer for their position through an election. At this point any other non-officer who was not the challenger can also run for the position in the same election. Challenge elections can only occur after the defending officer has spent a reasonable period of time in office, or the defending officer is inactive or otherwise clearly not fulfilling their duties."

to

"Any non-officer, who is not a Senate candidate, can challenge an officer for their position through an election. At this point any other non-officer who was not the challenger and is not a Senate candidate, Can also run for the position in the same election. Challenge elections can only occur after the defending officer has spent a reasonable period of time in office, or the defending officer is inactive or otherwise clearly not fulfilling their duties."

(2) Amends Article V, Section 5 "All elections occur via direct member nation vote. All non-officers may run. There is no limit on the amount of candidates that may run."

to

"All elections occur via direct member nation vote. All non-officers, who are not Senate candidates, may run. There is no limit on the amount of candidates that may run.

[Agadar]

I propose this to the Senate, the idea came up after I had a dispute with a member over him not being able to run for Justice and Senator at the same time. I believe it is a risk and can lead to issues down the road such as interfering with the law against holding two offices at once. It will also stop greedy people who simply wish to have a government title and who have no passion or desire to lead from giving themselves multiple chances of being elected.

Dual Candidacy Amendment

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“An amendment to limit the number of offices one can run for simultaneously."

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(1) Amends Article V, Section 4 " Any non-officer can challenge an officer for their position through an election. At this point any other non-officer who was not the challenger can also run for the position in the same election. Challenge elections can only occur after the defending officer has spent a reasonable period of time in office, or the defending officer is inactive or otherwise clearly not fulfilling their duties."

to

"Any non-officer, who is not a Senate candidate, can challenge an officer for their position through an election. At this point any other non-officer who was not the challenger and is not a Senate candidate, Can also run for the position in the same election. Challenge elections can only occur after the defending officer has spent a reasonable period of time in office, or the defending officer is inactive or otherwise clearly not fulfilling their duties."

(2) Amends Article V, Section 5 "All elections occur via direct member nation vote. All non-officers may run. There is no limit on the amount of candidates that may run."

to

"All elections occur via direct member nation vote. All non-officers, who are not Senate candidates, may run. There is no limit on the amount of candidates that may run.

I agree with the amendment's idea, though I'd probably word it differently. I'll post my suggestion tomorrow, if that's alright. My suggestion will not initiate an entirely new debate, but will instead be part of the current debate.

[The Pacific Peace Union]

yea yea, great I am up for different wordings. I myself am trying to figure out a good way to make it sound.

[Doppler]

I vote NAY.

[Vancouvia]

I vote NAY.

Cause it's "a bit funky"?

[Dashgrinaar]

I would advise the Senate to re-establish a dismissal policy for legislation that spams, trolls, or is not constructive in any fashion. This is needed so that the Senate is not saturated with spam or troll legislation.

[Vancouvia]

I would advise the Senate to re-establish a dismissal policy for legislation that spams, trolls, or is not constructive in any fashion. This is needed so that the Senate is not saturated with spam or troll legislation.

What Widelyn posted is not "legislation" and should therefore not have to receive a vote. I believe the Senate leadership is more than capable of deciding what is legislation and what is not.

[Agadar]

I would advise the Senate to re-establish a dismissal policy for legislation that spams, trolls, or is not constructive in any fashion. This is needed so that the Senate is not saturated with spam or troll legislation.

What Widelyn posted is not "legislation" and should therefore not have to receive a vote. I believe the Senate leadership is more than capable of deciding what is legislation and what is not.

Agreed. Wildelyn's proposal is obviously a troll post. No one except Wildelyn will claim otherwise. I suggest not to waste anyone's time on it.

[Alesini]

Has the voting time finished for the proposal about rewording the senator area?

If not I vote Aye

[Alesini]

As much as I think Wildelyn's proposal is a troll post, we have to discuss it. All member nations have the right to present legislation and have it discussed by the senate. Seeing as there are no specific rules about this refusing to discuss it would be unconsitutional and in violation of Wildelyn's rights as a member nation. This my friends, is why I urge us to create such rules so that this may not happen again. Don't get me wrong, I understand where your all coming from, but as no rules exist on this matter from what I know, we must discuss or Wildelyn can and will take us to court. Why waste the justice's precious time over something so easily preventable?

[Agadar]

As much as I think Wildelyn's proposal is a troll post, we have to discuss it. All member nations have the right to present legislation and have it discussed by the senate. Seeing as there are no specific rules about this refusing to discuss it would be unconsitutional and in violation of Wildelyn's rights as a member nation. This my friends, is why I urge us to create such rules so that this may not happen again. Don't get me wrong, I understand where your all coming from, but as no rules exist on this matter from what I know, we must discuss or Wildelyn can and will take us to court. Why waste the justice's precious time over something so easily preventable?

It's not legislation. If that troll garbage Wildelyn posted is considered legislation, then so would a completely empty bill, or anything really.

Here, do you consider this legislation as well? Speaker, please add this to the docket if you're also adding Wildelyn's proposal to the docket.

Wasting Everyone's Time

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"A bill that seeks to waste everyone's time, specifically the Senate's time"

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Preamble

Seeing as the Senators and everyone else apparently have too much spare time on their hands, this bill seeks to solve that problem by wasting their time by trolling with pointless legislative proposals.

Wasting Time

1) The time of everyone in the Senate is hereby wasted, as they are forced to take this troll piece of legislation seriously

2) Due to the fact that time travel hasn't been invented yet, there is no way for anyone to take back the time that was lost processing this troll piece of legislation

[Wildelyn]

you're mocking my bill, i dont like that.
this is prosecution and a clear violation of my rights to be unprosecuted and to present legislation.