[TWI ONLY] The Senate of the Western Isles

[Taziristan]

Actually, maybe we should end this conversation for the current time, as I have seen extremely little word of this on the RMB. I would like to see if there are any topics anyone would like to bring up.

From my point of view, if the government doesn't have anything to talk about, then we are in good shape.

[Dashgrinaar]

Actually, maybe we should end this conversation for the current time, as I have seen extremely little word of this on the RMB. I would like to see if there are any topics anyone would like to bring up.

From my point of view, if the government doesn't have anything to talk about, then we are in good shape.

Exactly. We've hit that period for over a month now too.

[Agadar]

While somewhat of a bore, I do agree with you lads. When there is no demands for change, it probably means things are going alright.

[Agadar]

Speaker, I'd like to propose a topic for debate.

Earlier today, Taziristan and I had a talk on the RMB about what to do in the case of Founder CTE (i.e. Vancouvia ceasing to exist). First and foremost, Founder CTE would result in the WA delegate position to be made Executive automatically. The current ranking of the top six nations with the most endorsements is as follows:

1: Vancouvia with 130 votes;
2: Ayeris Islands with 74 votes;
3: Miklania with 61 votes;
4: Doppler with 58 votes;
5: United Great Britian with 57 votes;
6: Polar Svalbard with 56 votes.

This would mean 'Ayeris Islands' would become the executive WA delegate. I've never seen this nation name before. I have no clue who he is. Not only that, he doesn't even have any forum posts, and doesn't ever seen to make posts on the RMB either. Quite disconcerting.

The topic I would therefore like to propose to discuss here is, should we prepare for the possibility of a Founder CTE, and if so, how would we prepare?

Most founderless regions seem to have implemented a maximum endorsements barrier, warning anyone who breaches the barrier to lose endorsements or else gave ejection. This seems like a straight-forward approach which we could use.

[Verdon]

We will now begin debate over founder CTE and defense against Potentially malevolent nations with high numbers of endorsement.

(Dash isn't here, and what else are we gonna talk about?)

[Vancouvia]

Miklania, Doppler, Polar, etc. need to actively start garnering endorsements.

[Taziristan]

Miklania, Doppler, Polar, etc. need to actively start garnering endorsements.

The guy who is second is doing so. Which is scary.

[Agadar]

Miklania, Doppler, Polar, etc. need to actively start garnering endorsements.

That would certainly be a good start, but I don't think it's nearly enough. I think a hard cap would be a better start. For example: we could place a 'soft' cap at 25 endorsements and a 'hard' cap at 40 endorsements for non-officers. Breaching the soft cap would result in a warning to reduce endorsements or face an eject within, say, 48 hours, while breaching the hard cap would result in an immediate eject.

Thoughts on such caps?

[Dashgrinaar]

Verdon, thanks for initiating discussion.

Yes, if this does happen endorsement caps will become necessary. What we can do now, to prepare, is to post messages on the WFE and the RMB alerting members to the fact that they should endorse those officers who are in the line of succession to the Presidency. Therefore, the executive position, if Vancouvia was to CTE, would be held by an officer.

For endorsement caps, I would say those are unnecessary for now, unless we would want to instate a hard cap at around 75.

[Agadar]

Verdon, thanks for initiating discussion.

Yes, if this does happen endorsement caps will become necessary. What we can do now, to prepare, is to post messages on the WFE and the RMB alerting members to the fact that they should endorse those officers who are in the line of succession to the Presidency. Therefore, the executive position, if Vancouvia was to CTE, would be held by an officer.

For endorsement caps, I would say those are unnecessary for now, unless we would want to instate a hard cap at around 75.

I don't really get how you find endorsement caps are unnecessary 'for now'. If we start enforcing caps when Vancouvia threatens to CTE or already has CTE'd, then we're already too late.

There is no way Miklania can get those 14 endorsements to beat this unknown figure named 'Ayeris Islands' for as long as the latter keeps ambitiously gathering endorsements. And even if he does, he is but one or a handful endorsements away from losing first place to him. It is unsafe.

[Dashgrinaar]

What I would suggest is that we establish a graduating endorsement cap for anyone not on the Member Roster (or whatever it is called), or a new established roster for this specific purpose. Therefore, we know that the people to whom the cap does not apply do not threaten the balance of power with an Executive WA delegate.

[Agadar]

What I would suggest is that we establish a graduating endorsement cap for anyone not on the Member Roster (or whatever it is called), or a new established roster for this specific purpose. Therefore, we know that the people to whom the cap does not apply do not threaten the balance of power with an Executive WA delegate.

I'm not quite sure what you're suggesting. Could you elaborate?

[Doppler]

What I would suggest is that we establish a graduating endorsement cap for anyone not on the Member Roster (or whatever it is called), or a new established roster for this specific purpose. Therefore, we know that the people to whom the cap does not apply do not threaten the balance of power with an Executive WA delegate.

Yes but how would we enforce this endorsement cap? Do you suggest warning them first or what?

(Is Vancouvia resigning?)

[Taziristan]

What I would suggest is that we establish a graduating endorsement cap for anyone not on the Member Roster (or whatever it is called), or a new established roster for this specific purpose. Therefore, we know that the people to whom the cap does not apply do not threaten the balance of power with an Executive WA delegate.

Yes but how would we enforce this endorsement cap? Do you suggest warning them first or what?

(Is Vancouvia resigning?)

No he's not resigning. This is a just in case scenario. But yes, if anyone went over the cap, they would have to be ejected and invited back.

[Doppler]

Yes but how would we enforce this endorsement cap? Do you suggest warning them first or what?

(Is Vancouvia resigning?)

No he's not resigning. This is a just in case scenario. But yes, if anyone went over the cap, they would have to be ejected and invited back.

Well an eject doesn't get rid of your endorsements. I forget how many days till you lose them, it should come down to a warning then to a banject.

[Verdon]

Too bad PPU was nuked, I think he had near ~70.

Not sure how you enforce the edorsement cap, as the edorsement arent controlled by the offending player. You'd pretty much be asking the person to go around saying "hey, can you unendorse me?" Seems a little silly.

[Taziristan]

Too bad PPU was nuked, I think he had near ~70.

Not sure how you enforce the edorsement cap, as the edorsement arent controlled by the offending player. You'd pretty much be asking the person to go around saying "hey, can you unendorse me?" Seems a little silly.

I'll take a few days and go to various regions and see how they enforce it.

[Agadar]

Too bad PPU was nuked, I think he had near ~70.

Not sure how you enforce the edorsement cap, as the edorsement arent controlled by the offending player. You'd pretty much be asking the person to go around saying "hey, can you unendorse me?" Seems a little silly.

If someone reaches the endorsement caps, then he has been actively gathering them, in which case he shot himself in the foot because he knew what he was doing.

[United Great Britian]

I think we should immediately banject Ayeris Islands

[Taziristan]

I think we should immediately banject Ayeris Islands

While he is an example of someone who is trying to get endorsements, there's no need to Banject him yet. He has sent me telegrams pandering for endorsements

[Agadar]

I think we should immediately banject Ayeris Islands

This cannot be done within the confines of regional law, or at least not until we implement an endorsement cap.

Here's an idea, which I believe I already proposed to Tazir on the RMB, though correct me if I'm wrong: the problem with making it so that the President is the delegate is that the Presidential office, like all regional offices, is a fickle one in the sense that anyone can challenge him and thus replace him. As we are a democracy, even the newest and most untrustworthy nations could potentially become President, and thus delegate.

As such, it might be better to appoint someone for life to the position of 'Vice-Founder' or 'Secretary of Endorsements/the World Assembly' or whatever descriptive name we make up for it. Life-long, so that not anyone and their dog can challenge for the position, and appointed via agreement between ALL government branches AND the Founder, so that we know for certain this person is someone we can trust with the keys to the region. Most importantly, someone Vancouvia would trust to replace him should he CTE.

Besides being the man to ensure the region does not fall to raiders and chaos should Van ever CTE, this person would also be responsible for enforcing the endorsement cap, i.e. telegramming warnings to those who breach the caps and banjecting/informing the Founder/President to banject breachers.

Thoughts?

[Vancouvia]

Yes, I agree. It should be more than one person though, maybe three people who are appointed.

[Taziristan]

I think we should immediately banject Ayeris Islands

This cannot be done within the confines of regional law, or at least not until we implement an endorsement cap.

Here's an idea, which I believe I already proposed to Tazir on the RMB, though correct me if I'm wrong: the problem with making it so that the President is the delegate is that the Presidential office, like all regional offices, is a fickle one in the sense that anyone can challenge him and thus replace him. As we are a democracy, even the newest and most untrustworthy nations could potentially become President, and thus delegate.

As such, it might be better to appoint someone for life to the position of 'Vice-Founder' or 'Secretary of Endorsements/the World Assembly' or whatever descriptive name we make up for it. Life-long, so that not anyone and their dog can challenge for the position, and appointed via agreement between ALL government branches AND the Founder, so that we know for certain this person is someone we can trust with the keys to the region. Most importantly, someone Vancouvia would trust to replace him should he CTE.

Besides being the man to ensure the region does not fall to raiders and chaos should Van ever CTE, this person would also be responsible for enforcing the endorsement cap, i.e. telegramming warnings to those who breach the caps and banjecting/informing the Founder/President to banject breachers.

Thoughts?

This sounds good.

[Agadar]

Yes, I agree. It should be more than one person though, maybe three people who are appointed.

The problem I foresee with having more than one person fulfill those duties is rivalry between them. After all, whoever has the most endorsements would be the one to 'inherit the kingdom' or so to speak. It would breed hostility between the office-holders. If there is only one, however, we can be assured that he will be focussing on doing his job properly as opposed to trying to beat his peers.

[Polar Svalbard]

And if that one CTE's?