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Ventlimer
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Postby Ventlimer » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:16 am

Considering it would be a violation of law, the courts would handle it.
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:20 am

Ventlimer wrote:Considering it would be a violation of law, the courts would handle it.


Alright, then I see no objections. What about Dashgrinaar and Verdon?
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Postby Ventlimer » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:24 am

We'll have to wait until they are online of course.
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Postby Dashgrinaar » Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:09 pm

I see how this Act would apply to our process, and I see it's intent. This wouldn't happen that often, and the explanation isn't meant to be long, so I have no objection to the reporting sections.

However, I would like to hear the Secretary of Information's opinion on having a separate dispatch, and if that part is necessary
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:52 am

Dashgrinaar wrote:I see how this Act would apply to our process, and I see it's intent. This wouldn't happen that often, and the explanation isn't meant to be long, so I have no objection to the reporting sections.

However, I would like to hear the Secretary of Information's opinion on having a separate dispatch, and if that part is necessary


Well then, let the Secretary of Information speak. Do you have any objections with this bill?
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Postby Verdon » Sun Feb 28, 2016 9:26 am

Not really convinced of this. There's no protection against report bias on the part of the officer, so every one of these reports is going to sound like the banning was justified, regardless of reason.

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Postby Agadar » Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:35 am

Verdon wrote:Not really convinced of this. There's no protection against report bias on the part of the officer, so every one of these reports is going to sound like the banning was justified, regardless of reason.


Who else would have to report the ban or pardon, according to you?

Even if the officers are biased, at least this bill assures we have a record of bans and pardons, regardless of whether or not they're biased. That is still an improvement on what we currently have.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:30 pm

Agadar wrote:
Verdon wrote:Not really convinced of this. There's no protection against report bias on the part of the officer, so every one of these reports is going to sound like the banning was justified, regardless of reason.


Who else would have to report the ban or pardon, according to you?

Even if the officers are biased, at least this bill assures we have a record of bans and pardons, regardless of whether or not they're biased. That is still an improvement on what we currently have.


What needs to be reported? All kicks and bans show up on the regional happenings. We're required to post on the RMB what violation occurred. I can't ban someone and hide it

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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:56 pm

Vancouvia wrote:
Agadar wrote:
Who else would have to report the ban or pardon, according to you?

Even if the officers are biased, at least this bill assures we have a record of bans and pardons, regardless of whether or not they're biased. That is still an improvement on what we currently have.


What needs to be reported? All kicks and bans show up on the regional happenings. We're required to post on the RMB what violation occurred. I can't ban someone and hide it


No this is extra, it is necessary to make a professional report of whom you or the president is banning. Because when somebody is banned it surely is a happening and it must be reported so that everybody can see it easily when they search for it, and don't need to search the whole RMB and watch all the controversial discussions about the ban. They just have the right to see a clear report of it.
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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:00 pm

Great-Imperialonia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:
What needs to be reported? All kicks and bans show up on the regional happenings. We're required to post on the RMB what violation occurred. I can't ban someone and hide it


No this is extra, it is necessary to make a professional report of whom you or the president is banning. Because when somebody is banned it surely is a happening and it must be reported so that everybody can see it easily when they search for it, and don't need to search the whole RMB and watch all the controversial discussions about the ban. They just have the right to see a clear report of it.


I get it, you're arguing for it to be historically recorded

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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 2:03 pm

Vancouvia wrote:
Great-Imperialonia wrote:
No this is extra, it is necessary to make a professional report of whom you or the president is banning. Because when somebody is banned it surely is a happening and it must be reported so that everybody can see it easily when they search for it, and don't need to search the whole RMB and watch all the controversial discussions about the ban. They just have the right to see a clear report of it.


I get it, you're arguing for it to be historically recorded


Yes indeed.
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Postby Agadar » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:13 pm

Waiting on PPU to give his opinion per Imperialonia's request before moving to vote.
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Postby The Pacific Peace Union » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:14 pm

Opinion: Sounds good to me
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Postby Agadar » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:15 pm

The Pacific Peace Union wrote:Opinion: Sounds good to me


Your timing is impeccable.

I move to vote.
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Dashgrinaar
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Postby Dashgrinaar » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:18 pm

Seconded. The Senate now moves to voting (48 hours)
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Postby Vancouvia » Sun Feb 28, 2016 7:21 pm

Against

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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:19 am

For
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Postby Agadar » Mon Feb 29, 2016 2:46 am

For.
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Postby Verdon » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:03 pm

Well, since I was late to responding to Agadar and the voting window is open, I have to say AGAINST because I'd rather see the following:

Make bans and pardons tied with the publication of an EO. (i.e. bans must be done by Executive Order). Then mandate that the Secretary of Information keep a dispatch that links to all executive orders. That way, all bans and pardons must be accounted for and recorded in a way that's easily accessible while also extending the same ease of access to non-ban/pardon EOs.

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Postby Dashgrinaar » Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:10 pm

I am AGAINST.

The voting period now closes.
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Postby Agadar » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:33 am

Verdon wrote:Well, since I was late to responding to Agadar and the voting window is open, I have to say AGAINST because I'd rather see the following:

Make bans and pardons tied with the publication of an EO. (i.e. bans must be done by Executive Order). Then mandate that the Secretary of Information keep a dispatch that links to all executive orders. That way, all bans and pardons must be accounted for and recorded in a way that's easily accessible while also extending the same ease of access to non-ban/pardon EOs.


We already have a dispatch containing all EO's.

As for making bans and pardons tied with publication's of EO's, that is again just glorifying banned nations.
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:53 am

Verdon wrote:Well, since I was late to responding to Agadar and the voting window is open, I have to say AGAINST because I'd rather see the following:

Make bans and pardons tied with the publication of an EO. (i.e. bans must be done by Executive Order). Then mandate that the Secretary of Information keep a dispatch that links to all executive orders. That way, all bans and pardons must be accounted for and recorded in a way that's easily accessible while also extending the same ease of access to non-ban/pardon EOs.


I don't understand your opinion, it's a bit hazy because as Agadar says we already have EO's and this is only a progress I don't know why all of you are blocking this.
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:59 am

Justice Activity Repeal (2016)



"A repeal to increase the activity of the Supreme Court"




Preamble

Recognising the low activity of the Supreme Court due to lack of activity of some Justices in time. Because of the low activity the whole Court is slowed down, which allows cases to last around 25 days. This proposal repeals Article III: Section 7 of the constitution and replaces this law to enforce the activity of Justices so that the whole Court can function well. Because this is probably a temporarily problem this law is automatically suspended in a three months period after it's procedure. The Senate can debate a complete suspension of the law then, or to lengthen it for some more time.

(1) The Chief Justice must open a case, or at least react to it in 24 hours time.

(2) A trial must be finished in one week, when it takes more time the Chief Justice must inform the Court that it takes more time.

(3) The Senate will enforce this law and inform the president of any possible occurred violation.

(4) When the Chief Justice or another Justices fail apply this prescription they will be warned two times and the third time they will be removed from office and their role filled in by the vice-president till another Justice is elected.
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Postby Agadar » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:40 pm

I think a law along these lines is somewhat premature. Cottoria, the Chief Justice, revealed on the RMB that he had been busy with important IRL happenings. He also promised to 'get the court moving'. I have enough faith in him to do as he promised.
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Postby Great-Imperialonia » Tue Mar 01, 2016 3:53 pm

Agadar wrote:I think a law along these lines is somewhat premature. Cottoria, the Chief Justice, revealed on the RMB that he had been busy with important IRL happenings. He also promised to 'get the court moving'. I have enough faith in him to do as he promised.


Hmm, I still see it as problem but I will prioritise the defeated law. So could someone put it somewhere to discuss it later?
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