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The United Remnants of America
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:18 pm

*Walks in to check on IFC*

What's goi-

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... *Backs away slowly*
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United States of Conner
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Postby United States of Conner » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:18 pm

The Candy Queendom wrote:
New Carloso wrote:Theres no need to put an OCC tag. Everything in this thread is OCC discussion. Its perfectly ok, as far as I know, to post before you have been accepted. This thread is open to everyone unless otherwise stated.

Alright, coolio. Thanks :)

Deian salazar wrote:No, ignore him. Elesar's practically a scar about now by constantly flaming SACTO now anyways and doing little else.


Is there a reason Elesar dislikes the SACTO (is that the santiago thing?)

Who knows why he hates it. It's basically a meme at this point.

Although, I am sort of curious. Elesar, why do you dislike SACTO?
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The Candy Queendom
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Postby The Candy Queendom » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:19 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
The Candy Queendom wrote:Alright, coolio. Thanks :)



Is there a reason Elesar dislikes the SACTO (is that the santiago thing?)
Yeah. Just pure hatred. Nothing else. He just hates them for attacking Commies. That's it.


Is that the whole reason the SANCTO exists? To attack socialist nations..?

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New Carloso
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Postby New Carloso » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:20 pm

The Candy Queendom wrote:
New Carloso wrote:Theres no need to put an OCC tag. Everything in this thread is OCC discussion. Its perfectly ok, as far as I know, to post before you have been accepted. This thread is open to everyone unless otherwise stated.

Alright, coolio. Thanks :)

Deian salazar wrote:No, ignore him. Elesar's practically a scar about now by constantly flaming SACTO now anyways and doing little else.


Is there a reason Elesar dislikes the SACTO (is that the santiago thing?)

Its just OCC hatred. Don't get involved is the best thing to do.

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New Aeyariss wrote:
Yeah. Hydra spreads it's tentacles ;).

I don't like Hentai thpugh! :(

Next up after the break, WTF Deian
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Postby New Aeyariss » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:20 pm

Candy wrote:Is that the whole reason the SANCTO exists? To attack socialist nations..?


Yeah, that is why we exist.
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Elesar
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Postby Elesar » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:23 pm

United States of Conner wrote:
The Candy Queendom wrote:Alright, coolio. Thanks :)



Is there a reason Elesar dislikes the SACTO (is that the santiago thing?)

Who knows why he hates it. It's basically a meme at this point.

Although, I am sort of curious. Elesar, why do you dislike SACTO?

They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:23 pm

The Candy Queendom wrote:
Deian salazar wrote:Yeah. Just pure hatred. Nothing else. He just hates them for attacking Commies. That's it.


Is that the whole reason the SANCTO exists? To attack socialist nations..?


There is no such thing as "SANCTO"...


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The United Remnants of America
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:24 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
Yeah, that is why we exist.

I should make a Anti-Fascist alliance...

I only ever hated SACTO because I was scared as shit by their power.
Now....
I'm better, but still couldn't beat them.

Well, join the UL.

*Remembers I'm in the UL and so is Ardoki*

... How are we anti-fascist? Well, good question. I'll explain later.
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United States of Conner
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Postby United States of Conner » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:26 pm

Elesar wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Who knows why he hates it. It's basically a meme at this point.

Although, I am sort of curious. Elesar, why do you dislike SACTO?

They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.

Thanks for calling all of us, including URA, IYF, OS, Flard, and myself jerks.

And we stand opposed to communism, an ideology we IC'ly see as inherently oppressive, and an ideology that must be combated at every turn.
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New Carloso
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Postby New Carloso » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:26 pm

Deian salazar wrote:Tonight on the IFC channel: WTF Deian? every day from 8AM to 8PM.

I'm pretty sure they're talking of extending it to 24 hours a day.

Hell, next they'll have to cancel Real Talk Time with Papa Cyd and Exclusive Kebab Removal 101.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:27 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:... How are we anti-fascist? Well, good question. I'll explain later.

Yeah that's what I'm wondering...

From not only a definition standpoint but also from an in-practice standpoint aren't socialism and fascism basically the same?


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Inyourfaceistan
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Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:28 pm

Elesar wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Who knows why he hates it. It's basically a meme at this point.

Although, I am sort of curious. Elesar, why do you dislike SACTO?

They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.

Will it make you feel better if I go ahead and form that anti-monarchy coalition I have always been threatening to make?


It's not French,it's not Spanish,it's Inyurstan
"Inyourfaceistan" refers to my player/user name, "Inyursta" is my IC name. NOT INYURSTAN. IF YOU CALL INYURSTA "INYURSTAN" THEN IT SHOWS THAT YOU CANT READ. Just refer to me as IYF or Stan.

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United States of Conner
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Postby United States of Conner » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:31 pm

Deian salazar wrote:Btw.
Does anyone here not in atlas know my profile pic is actually me IRL?

I guessed it.
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The United Remnants of America
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Democratic Socialists

Postby The United Remnants of America » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:31 pm

United States of Conner wrote:
Elesar wrote:They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.

Thanks for calling all of us, including URA, IYF, OS, Flard, and myself jerks.

And we stand opposed to communism, an ideology we IC'ly see as inherently oppressive, and an ideology that must be combated at every turn.

Calling me a jerk is like stating that the Sun is in fact bright.

Inyourfaceistan wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:... How are we anti-fascist? Well, good question. I'll explain later.

Yeah that's what I'm wondering...

From not only a definition standpoint but also from an in-practice standpoint aren't socialism and fascism basically the same?

Eh. There's one opposite sides of the scale.

I mean, I'm democratic-authoritarian and dirigisme, but I'm leftist enough, socially. It's why I can explain my nation into the IFC, UL, and SACTO all at once, because of how my gov't and economy works.
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New Carloso
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Postby New Carloso » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:36 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Yeah that's what I'm wondering...

From not only a definition standpoint but also from an in-practice standpoint aren't socialism and fascism basically the same?

No, one is absolute power by a dictator(So similar to Monarchy), and the other is based around schedules and people being scheduled to do work for pay,like capitalism, except it's compulsory.
There are more differences, but that's the most obvious.

Idk

Both have the state controlling basically all industry and, in essence, is not true capitalism. Hence, you can be extremely far right but not be fascist (Libertarian). Fascism, on the other hand, is authoritarian. Hitler, if we put him on a graph where everything left of 0 on the x axis is leftist and to the right rightist, was actually very near the centre but he has a very high y axis because he was authotorian. The lower you go on the y axis, the more liberal.
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Postby Elesar » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:39 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
New Carloso wrote:Idk

Both have the state controlling basically all industry and, in essence, is not true capitalism. Hence, you can be extremely far right but not be fascist (Libertarian). Fascism, on the other hand, is authoritarian. Hitler, if we put him on a graph where everything left of 0 on the x axis is leftist and to the right rightist, was actually very near the centre but he has a very high y axis because he was authotorian. The lower you go on the y axis, the more liberal.

...Left right stuff are complicated. :ugeek: T_T

Hardly. You just have to know what you're talking about
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Postby The Candy Queendom » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:40 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:
Candy wrote:Is that the whole reason the SANCTO exists? To attack socialist nations..?


Yeah, that is why we exist.

So do you broadly attack all nations with a socialist bent, or do you go after Stalinist/Maoist regimes?

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Postby Elesar » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:41 pm

The Candy Queendom wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:
Yeah, that is why we exist.

So do you broadly attack all nations with a socialist bent, or do you go after Stalinist/Maoist regimes?

They go after them all. They're essentially like NATO if NATO were pricks. They end up being worse tham the people they attack.
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Postby United States of Conner » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:42 pm

Elesar wrote:
The Candy Queendom wrote:So do you broadly attack all nations with a socialist bent, or do you go after Stalinist/Maoist regimes?

They go after them all. They're essentially like NATO if NATO were pricks

Again, thank you.
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Postby New Carloso » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:45 pm

Deian salazar wrote:
New Carloso wrote:Idk

Both have the state controlling basically all industry and, in essence, is not true capitalism. Hence, you can be extremely far right but not be fascist (Libertarian). Fascism, on the other hand, is authoritarian. Hitler, if we put him on a graph where everything left of 0 on the x axis is leftist and to the right rightist, was actually very near the centre but he has a very high y axis because he was authotorian. The lower you go on the y axis, the more liberal.

...Left right stuff are complicated. :ugeek: T_T

Image


You see, Hitler wasn't 'far right' but extremely close to the centre.

Many people say it was sort of leftist, and it is in many ways. I would describe it as more 'third way'.
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Flardania » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:46 pm

Elesar wrote:
United States of Conner wrote:Who knows why he hates it. It's basically a meme at this point.

Although, I am sort of curious. Elesar, why do you dislike SACTO?

They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.

I'm a what? Elesar you up to no good again........ :palm:
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:47 pm

Elesar wrote:
The Candy Queendom wrote:So do you broadly attack all nations with a socialist bent, or do you go after Stalinist/Maoist regimes?

They go after them all. They're essentially like NATO if NATO were pricks. They end up being worse tham the people they attack.

Proof?


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Postby Quirina » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:48 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Will it make you feel better if I go ahead and form that anti-monarchy coalition I have always been threatening to make?

Try, and you'll see some difference. Just try. Lol

I place bet $200 the first ones who will join your anti-monarchist alliance are communists, because by default, they arose at the times when monarchies are falling down, and most nations in NS flow with the Western historical precept, except when you claim you aren't.

Anyways, hello again IFC. Oh, let's see here:

Elesar wrote:They're jerks, plain and simple. A quick look at their thread will prove that. I'm right wing and I don't agree with them. I'm no fan of communism either, but people can choose to have it if they want to. Until they become a legitimate threat, there's no real reason to attack them.

Eh. You just contradicted yourself there. SACTO attacks nations that have exactly two elements; Communist governments who are in power, and (not or) that very same government doing crimes of oppression. Can you call that a jerk? Remember how you call other people reflects a part of who you are. Watch your words.

Elesar wrote:They go after them all. They're essentially like NATO if NATO were pricks. They end up being worse tham the people they attack.

Oh? That's surprising, because every time SACTO wins over an engagement, it shuts up and moves on to next one. And your general precept about "they attack all commie nations with no reason at all like barbarians" is your problem to deal with. We'll do our job and we will until Communism is erased (until you want to be erased and get rekt). And also, most of our interaction is not in our thread, so I understand the ignorance right there, with bad mouth.
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Postby New Aeyariss » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:52 pm

Worst thing is that Elesar can not tell difference between IC and OOC..

I have several OOC friends with leftist views on this site, ironically.
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Flardania
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Flardania » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:54 pm

New Aeyariss wrote:Worst thing is that Elesar can not tell difference between IC and OOC..

I have several OOC friends with leftist views on this site, ironically.

Or center leaning left 8)
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