International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Isle of Lost]

Bumpity

[Pillowlandia]

Bumpity

Your still waiting for a word on your app?

[Shazbotdom]

I have the distinct impression that you don't understand a hierarchical chart. There are only three offices directly below the Prime Minister: the Supreme Allied Commander, the Premier, and the PM's private office. There are not 30 nor the 7 that you seem to be going for.

A multitude of those positions you yourself appointed. This is too much power in the hands of one person. Splitting the power to appoint those people into the hands of the Ministers is what is needed.

As for 'inefficient beauracratic mess and positions that seem to nothing', 'inactive people who don't do anything' would be a far more accurate description. Many hands make light work, as you will learn if you become Prime Minister. (And as you ought to have learnt by now. However you have done almost nothing as Supreme Allied Commander, so I can see why you think work is unnecessary. But it is a wasted opportunity, particularly after all you did for the Navy, I was hoping you would use the position properly).

Maybe if for many of those people who do nothing you didn't appoint people who joined the alliance recently, or have otherwise barely, if ever, posted in this thread, we wouldn't have that problem. With allowing the Ministers to appoint their own people, they can guarantee that the people that whoever they pick for those positions would be active within this Alliance. Many of our members are not even active after they have been accepted, this is because honestly, in my opinion, they have not been vetted enough. That is something that I hope will change with having the Minister of Membership be in charge of Acceptance and taking that much more power away from the position of Prime Minister.

As for the Speaker position, do you also not know who the Speaker is? Chilokver holds the position, not Naybra; Naybra is head of the Judicial Committee (and doing a thunderingly good job). A Prime Minister cannot remove a sitting Speaker.

My plan is not to "remove" the sitting speaker. I will call for an Election for the Speaker position if I win the Prime Ministership. My choice will be of whom I selected on my platform, but if Chilokver wins re-election I will work with him for everything.

I have spoken with EVERYONE of whom I listed, and they all have voiced their opinions on my platform and my pics and I worked with them to get it to where it is today. I have gone over my picks and reworked them, moved things around, chosen other people, etc, for the better part of a month and a half. All the people I have picked as of this point in time have said they would be honored to work with me in the positions that I have picked.

[Ralkovian Grand Island]

Feng would join any war against Ralkovia on the side of Ralkovia.

A note, are you aware that Nihon is to fight Ralkovia too? Kojiro intents to drive BOTH Ausitoria AND Ralkovia from Bluewell.

I doubt that Nihonese government would oppose Feng if it went against Ausitoria, citing the fact that Nihon itself is also intervening in defense of Pillowlandian sovereignty; but if Ralkovia will be allied with, a regime change in Feng will follow.

Full support of a bioweapon ban

If IFC passes this ban, expect various banned weaponry to appear on Murakami .

Good luck with that. Bluewell will fall.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

I have the distinct impression that you don't understand a hierarchical chart. There are only three offices directly below the Prime Minister: the Supreme Allied Commander, the Premier, and the PM's private office. There are not 30 nor the 7 that you seem to be going for.

Splitting the power to appoint those people into the hands of the Ministers is what is needed.

The power is already in the hands of ministers. Just as an example, Valaran got rid of all subordinate offices. I appointed you to wield such powers, you didn't do a thing. And now you're trying to cover it up, eh?

As for the question of trying to involve new talent, you can reject as many people as you like, turn this into an old boy's club; stop the IFC from expanding, but I don't think that's the way to go. Just look at Pillowlandia. I think it's worth giving people the opportunity.

But you don't take opportunities, do you? So you don't want to let other people have them, am I right?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

And may I ask how having the Prime Minister take direct charge of the Speaker position, bringing the Council's independence to an end, could possibly serve the rights of members?

Aren't you guilty of attempting to go around the council's rulings and using the position of Prime Minister for your own personal gain?

No?

Aren't you guilty of unsubstantiated libel?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

**IFCAPP**

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.

**IFCAPP**

Thank you Sardeed, your application has been accepted! Welcome to the IFC!

[Flardania]

**IFCAPP**

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.

**IFCAPP**

Thank you Sardeed, your application has been accepted! Welcome to the IFC!

wait I seriously have a problem with quotas being set in terms of when a certain government can be admitted. Especially when you yourself concede that the app with the sole exception being right leaning is otherwise fine. Balance is good, centrism is good....believe me following that logic has ironically made me among if not the most left leaning SACTO member. However forcing and trying to artificially create balance is not the way to go.

[New Chilokver]

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.


Thank you Sardeed, your application has been accepted! Welcome to the IFC!

wait I seriously have a problem with quotas being set in terms of when a certain government can be admitted. Especially when you yourself concede that the app with the sole exception being right leaning is otherwise fine. Balance is good, centrism is good....believe me following that logic has ironically made me among if not the most left leaning SACTO member. However forcing and trying to artificially create balance is not the way to go.

I worry that the aim of some members is to make the IFC exactly like SACTO (although I don't think most of them would see it that way, or even think it consciously).

We should have balance, even if I occasionally have to create it by artificial methods (e.g. having Ausitoria side with the left - Ausitoria is naturally centre-right).

If Shazbotdom is elected, which I think quite likely, I only hope we will not forget what makes the IFC different, and remain capable of maintaining and strengthening those balancing it.

(Yes, I don't expect to win the election. However I do expect that I'm right.

I suppose sometimes people need to be reminded what it's like when I'm not in charge, but hopefully the IFC will survive alright; if not, it will be an excellent example of what not to do, and will eventually merge into SACTO).

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

Oh, don't be so alarmist. The IFC will simply drift to the right if Shazbotdom is elected and not drift at all if I am re-elected. (Or maybe it will drift more to the centre, if I can work out which way that is. We must be very close by now).

There is a strong case to be made for an organization which includes those in favour of freedom on both the left and the right, those wanting to open up opportunities to work together in new ways and between new people. When I think it suitable to decide which order people should join us, in order to maintain the balance, I do. Disagreeing and being friends is far better than only being friends with those who think exactly like you.

[Flardania]

here we see the growing divide of the IFC between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
I predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

Oh, don't be so alarmist. The IFC will simply drift to the right if Shazbotdom is elected and not drift at all if I am re-elected. (Or maybe it will drift more to the centre, if I can work out which way that is. We must be very close by now).

There is a strong case to be made for an organization which includes those in favour of freedom on both the left and the right, those wanting to open up opportunities to work together in new ways and between new people. When I think it suitable to decide which order people should join us, in order to maintain the balance, I do. Disagreeing and being friends is far better than only being friends with those who think exactly like you.

Exactly that's the exact reason why the flow does not matter, we are only here in support of freedom. The only thing the left and right divide concerns are everything else that has nothing to do with who we are at the core. If the merit of the nation is enough to be accepted then so be it as regardless of lack and balance the alliance will still do what it's supposed to do. Heck, there may be a time when there is an influx of left nations that need to be controlled. Essentially I am calling this application procedure gerrymandering and distractingly unnecessary.

[Asigna]

Oh, don't be so alarmist. The IFC will simply drift to the right if Shazbotdom is elected and not drift at all if I am re-elected. (Or maybe it will drift more to the centre, if I can work out which way that is. We must be very close by now).

There is a strong case to be made for an organization which includes those in favour of freedom on both the left and the right, those wanting to open up opportunities to work together in new ways and between new people. When I think it suitable to decide which order people should join us, in order to maintain the balance, I do. Disagreeing and being friends is far better than only being friends with those who think exactly like you.

Exactly that's the exact reason why the flow does not matter, we are only here in support of freedom. The only thing the left and right divide concerns are everything else that has nothing to do with who we are at the core. If the merit of the nation is enough to be accepted then so be it as regardless of lack and balance the alliance will still do what it's supposed to do. Heck, there may be a time when there is an influx of left nations that need to be controlled. Essentially I am calling this application procedure gerrymandering and distractingly unnecessary.

Stupid right left conflict.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

Oh, don't be so alarmist. The IFC will simply drift to the right if Shazbotdom is elected and not drift at all if I am re-elected. (Or maybe it will drift more to the centre, if I can work out which way that is. We must be very close by now).

There is a strong case to be made for an organization which includes those in favour of freedom on both the left and the right, those wanting to open up opportunities to work together in new ways and between new people. When I think it suitable to decide which order people should join us, in order to maintain the balance, I do. Disagreeing and being friends is far better than only being friends with those who think exactly like you.

I think I should expand on this point.

The centre-right in the IFC seems to wish the IFC to be more of a militant and military group. The centre-left wishes the IFC to be more transnationalist in its approach.*

But I don't want one or the other. I want both. I'm a two-cakes sort of person - I want to have-a-cake and eat-a-cake.

It appeared in Ausitoria's last manifesto, it appeared in the division of government between "external" and "internal". I wanted Shazbotdom to be free to do the first and Lendol free to do the second. The first is fairly vital for the mechanics of the alliance, and supported by about three quarters of the alliance, the second is more optional, and only supported by a smaller majority of the alliance. But they are both very important.

But then it was derailed. Lendol has spent the last six weeks running to take charge of Hemithea; Shazbotdom, by his own admission, has spent the same time preparing to run for the IFC, as I have now discovered (instead of actually running the military side, to my intense annoyance); Novo Wagondia and Flardania are tied up in self-imposed impartiality in the Judicial Committee, and everybody else has simply been busy.

I did not want to run the government. But nothing was getting done, so I started to appoint deputies to try to do the jobs that weren't being done. (Hence the sudden expansion in government posts, as I knew I couldn't do everything so I wanted other people to do parts of it).

Perhaps, rather than looking at whether the alliance should be split, it would be better to look at whether the government should be split. Perhaps we should even look at electing two consuls, a Supreme Allied Commander and a Premier, instead of electing a single Prime Minister?

I think we should think about it - and as a two-term Prime Minister, I do hope everyone will think seriously about it.

Thoughts, opinions?

(*There is also an autonomy/interventionist divide, which doesn't align with this vision of left vs. right, but that divide shows up in the Council rather than in the Government).

[Roskian Federation]

Feng would join any war against Ralkovia on the side of Ralkovia.

A note, are you aware that Nihon is to fight Ralkovia too? Kojiro intents to drive BOTH Ausitoria AND Ralkovia from Bluewell.

I doubt that Nihonese government would oppose Feng if it went against Ausitoria, citing the fact that Nihon itself is also intervening in defense of Pillowlandian sovereignty; but if Ralkovia will be allied with, a regime change in Feng will follow.

Full support of a bioweapon ban

If IFC passes this ban, expect various banned weaponry to appear on Murakami .

Its not like bioweapons are intensely effective in warfare.

Note, I don't support a chemical or nuclear weapon ban.

[Isle of Lost]

**IFCAPP**

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.

Seems someone is worried I might have voted Shatz if let it. Clearly I was incorrect in my belief of what this organization stands for. I bid thee adu.

[Pillowlandia]

Just going to leave my formal complaint about Lib's choice on Isle of Losts' app here.

Just look at Pillowlandia.?

Also what? (would also like to reiterate my view that the Office of special projects or whatever is rather silly.)

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.

Clearly I was incorrect in my belief of what this organization stands for. I bid thee adu.

Clearly you were, which means I made the right choice. This organization stands for balance ... for as long as I'm left in charge.

Just look at Pillowlandia.?

Also what? (would also like to reiterate my view that the Office of special projects or whatever is rather silly.)

Well, I appointed you to it almost immediately after you arrived to give you an opportunity to take charge of something. You suggested it was high time for a health authority, so, we revived the health authority. If you would prefer me to have left you in the depths of uselessness and inactivity, where all you could have done was grumble, I can only plead that I had the IFC's best interests at heart, and thought you showed promise.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

After several weeks of consideration, and in light of various recent happenings, I have concluded the IFC is already in far too much danger of falling into the hands of the right and turning inwards, rather than cutting its own path. Your application is therefore rejected. However either when the balance has improved, or less optimally if the IFC does fall, I am sure any reapplication is likely to be successful.

Clearly I was incorrect in my belief of what this organization stands for. I bid thee adu.

Clearly you were, which means I made the right choice. This organization stands for balance ... for as long as I'm left in charge.

Just look at Pillowlandia.?

Also what? (would also like to reiterate my view that the Office of special projects or whatever is rather silly.)

Well, I appointed you to it almost immediately after you arrived to give you an opportunity to take charge of something. You suggested it was high time for a health authority, so, we revived the health authority. If you would prefer me to have left you in the depths of uselessness and inactivity, where all you could have done was grumble, I can only plead that I had the IFC's best interests at heart, and thought you showed promise.

[Valaran]

Perhaps you might prefer my plan?

lol no

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

The divisions in the IFC principally pertain to leadership, not ideology. So, I doubt it.

E: Lib tends to create previously imaginary faultlines so that he can plant himself in the center of them and act as if he's needed for balance and comrpomise. As far as I'm aware, the issues stemming from bureaucracy, interventionism, centralisation and so forth, have been heavily exacerbated by his governance. There is something of an ideological divide, but on its own it would be minor - with Lib as PM it becomes intolerable. I've worked fine with both right and left nations in the IFC and have never had a serious cause for complaint due to their respective ideologies. I'm sure that's largely the same for others: Shaz's problem isn't with Lendol, or Pillow. And what we're relatively united against are a good number of actions by our current PM. There's your true divide.

[Isle of Lost]

Clearly I was incorrect in my belief of what this organization stands for. I bid thee adu.

Clearly you were, which means I made the right choice. This organization stands for balance ... for as long as I'm left in charge.

No offense but you should consider a name change. International Freedom Coalition is very misleading given what it actually stands for

[Shazbotdom]

The power is already in the hands of ministers. Just as an example, Valaran got rid of all subordinate offices. I appointed you to wield such powers, you didn't do a thing. And now you're trying to cover it up, eh?

I tried to do anything in my power for the iFC Navy and was blackballed by the Council. So don't you fucking dare start hat bullshit with me. You just abruptly created a purchase and made it without having final approval from the Council, much like a dictator.

As for the question of trying to involve new talent, you can reject as many people as you like, turn this into an old boy's club; stop the IFC from expanding, but I don't think that's the way to go. Just look at Pillowlandia. I think it's worth giving people the opportunity.

And yet, 4 out of 5 people that you accept have failed to stay active within the IFC. What's the point of accepting people if they do not stay active, make one or two posts, then disappear for months, never to be heard from again? That is not keeping the Alliance strong, it is making it weak.

But you don't take opportunities, do you? So you don't want to let other people have them, am I right?

I take any and all opportunities. But, that doesn't mean that whenever there is an operation that needs the IFC Navy, that I have to jump every time and RP it. I have my own life, my own RP's, and my own shit that i have to deal with. I have not the time for childish bullshit from a Prime Minister that thinks his word is law and fuck everyone else.

THAT is why I am running. I used to be in your camp, thinking that you could stop doing the bullshit that you have been doing, but you kept doing the same dictatorial bullshit that other people disliked. That is when I decided to run for PM.

Oh, don't be so alarmist. The IFC will simply drift to the right if Shazbotdom is elected and not drift at all if I am re-elected. (Or maybe it will drift more to the centre, if I can work out which way that is. We must be very close by now).

And where was it fucking said that I am either Left or Right wing? What policies have I stated at all within either this alliance thread or the council chamber that points to me being a rightist? Please, that whole 'left/right' thing that you spew out as a reason for doing what you do, rejecting who you don't OOCLy like, is getting to be a major annoyance. Someone being accepted/rejected should NOT have anything to do with their political affiliation, but with if they have the freedoms as listed within the Application, and if they can guarantee to be active not only in this thread but in the Council Thread.

Now if you want to continue with the personal attacks against me, be my guest, but it will not stop me from running.

[The United Remnants of America]

The top seems to be spinning out of control.

Also, what does "balance" mean when accepting applications?

[The Lendol Archipelago]

The top seems to be spinning out of control.

Also, what does "balance" mean when accepting applications?

A balance between nations that are on the right and on the left.

[The United Remnants of America]

The top seems to be spinning out of control.

Also, what does "balance" mean when accepting applications?

A balance between nations that are on the right and on the left.

.... No...?

Let's not do that?