International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

**IFCAPP**

Thank you for application! Given your stated disinclination to reform, it is rejected.

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In other news, I am very pleased to announce that Mizrad is our new Minister of Foreign Affairs, a post which will be closely assisted by Flardania, as Special Advisor, and Devonta, as Special Envoy to the Right. We are currently searching for a special envoy to the left, and would welcome applicants.

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That's completely untrue (although an unfortunately common belief). Any decent MT RPer knows that their things should work in theory if they don't exist, and that the reason(s) why they don't exist IRL should not matter in NS.

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The trouble starts when most people don't know what else can work in theory but isn't used in practice because, for example, it's not economical IRL. Or when you don't agree on whether anybody should invest money in it in NS either - for instance, I would have grave reservations about 99% of NS using Lyras' nuclear-engine bomber, because for all except about a dozen nations, it does not make any sense to invest in all the infrastructure required, unless your military spending is over about $10 trillion, focused on long-distance concerns, and the nation happens to have a plot of flat space where nuclear radiation is not a concern...

For the record Lib, I have a profound and effectively intractable disagreement with your view on this. This isn't meant to start an argument (which is why I try not to bring it up), but since you did flatly state this view to be correct (or rather, for another view to be incorrect), I felt a need to register my opposing viewpoint.

Not meaning to start an argument either, simply curious - which bit do you dislike? Or do you mean all of it? If so, what standard do you use to judge people's designs?

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Is it just me, or is this is a complete non-sequitur?

The important question is whether something is feasible on the balance of probability.

I do not expect anyone to be absolutely certain my invention is realistic (it would be arrogant and wrong of me to think so myself), and equally I would have hoped nobody would have become absolutely certain it was not realistic.

Ah so you finally admit that it is not realistic!

I.e., has Cuscy finally decided the rules of logic are not for him?

[Queendom of Carthage]

For so much freedom there is no self determination. Shame, goodbye.

[Shazbotdom]

It's not just about the Right to vote. This alliance is about FREEDOM, these Seven items kinda make it rather obvious that your people are not free.

Is your Government by the people? No

I understand this part, with you being an Absolute Monarchy.

Freedom of the media: No

But, not allowing the Media to operate? Strike 1.

Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: No

Searching people's homes, property, etc without any sort of warrant? Strike 2.

Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: No

Throwing people in prison for no reason at all? Strike 3.

Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): No

Understand this with the absolute monarchy thing.

Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: No

No fair trials? Strike 4.

Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): All native business that benefits the people and doesn't rival government power is legal

Kinda understandable.

So, 4 strikes from my personal opinion. If I was in charge of acceptance, I would certainly refuse you.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Exactly my thinking. I don't mind nations that miss say one of the criteria, or even a few of the criteria if they are at least trying to change. However if they are not trying to change (or stop trying to change/fail to change) I see no reason why they should be (or remain) members.

[Guadalupador]

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Is it just me, or is this is a complete non-sequitur?

The important question is whether something is feasible on the balance of probability.

I do not expect anyone to be absolutely certain my invention is realistic (it would be arrogant and wrong of me to think so myself), and equally I would have hoped nobody would have become absolutely certain it was not realistic.

Ah so you finally admit that it is not realistic!

I.e., has Cuscy finally decided the rules of logic are not for him?

No offense, but is this type of discourse really necessary in your post?

[The United Remnants of America]

Jesus fuck, four pages.

What did I miss? Real life caught up with me.

Did we bomb Ardoki yet? Did I miss the war I've been drooling for?

[Mizrad]

Felt like I should say something about getting appointed minister of foreign affairs. With that being said I'm very pleased to get to serve as the foreign affairs minister here at the IFC, looking forward to working in this position.

[Shazbotdom]

Jesus fuck, four pages.

Mhmmm

What did I miss? Real life caught up with me.

Nothing really.

Did we bomb Ardoki yet? Did I miss the war I've been drooling for?

Nope.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

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Is it just me, or is this is a complete non-sequitur?





I.e., has Cuscy finally decided the rules of logic are not for him?

No offense, but is this type of discourse really necessary in your post?

I just want to know whether I'm mad or whether Cuscy's mad, or whether I'm misunderstanding Cuscy or whether Cuscy's misunderstanding me. It's definitely at least one of those four options, and I thought I'd ask my friends in the IFC since we were discussing the subject here too anyway.

Jesus fuck, four pages.

Mhmmm

What did I miss? Real life caught up with me.

Nothing really.

To be precise, a failed applicant, various appointments in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and various job vacancies advertised.

Did we bomb Ardoki yet? Did I miss the war I've been drooling for?

Not yet, still waiting for Ardoki to decide how much to retcon before we can move on.

[United States of Devonta]

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Is it just me, or is this is a complete non-sequitur?





I.e., has Cuscy finally decided the rules of logic are not for him?

No offense, but is this type of discourse really necessary in your post?

Seconded. That has no place here. This OCC conflict is a turn off guys.

[Flardania]

Just a heads up that im on vacation so until Monda night, so my post will vary from normal to non existing

[Organized States]

I'd like to rely a request for members of the alliance to stop baiting other people who are outside of our alliance. It's not productive, nor does it belong on this thread. This isn't a rant threat, nor is it an IRC where you can speak your mind about this in confidence. People are watching.

[Shazbotdom]

I'd like to rely a request for members of the alliance to stop baiting other people who are outside of our alliance. It's not productive, nor does it belong on this thread. This isn't a rant threat, nor is it an IRC where you can speak your mind about this in confidence. People are watching.

I don't bait. I am blunt.

[The United Remnants of America]

I'd like to rely a request for members of the alliance to stop baiting other people who are outside of our alliance. It's not productive, nor does it belong on this thread. This isn't a rant threat, nor is it an IRC where you can speak your mind about this in confidence. People are watching.

But Chaos must rule. Only entropy governs this alliance.

*maniacal laughter*

[IFC Admin 2]

It is very obviously within the IFC's remit, and the remit of all its members, to discuss what other members think about RPing and the constraints of realism.

[The Lendol Archipelago]

Felt like I should say something about getting appointed minister of foreign affairs. With that being said I'm very pleased to get to serve as the foreign affairs minister here at the IFC, looking forward to working in this position.

Now to place bets on how long you'll last until you rip out your hair and make a blanket fort...

[The Lendol Archipelago]

I think an alternative is to create a rule by which non-members can't post here - oh, wait, we already have one.

[Mizrad]

Felt like I should say something about getting appointed minister of foreign affairs. With that being said I'm very pleased to get to serve as the foreign affairs minister here at the IFC, looking forward to working in this position.

Now to place bets on how long you'll last until you rip out your hair and make a blanket fort...

I give it a week

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

I'd like to rely a request for members of the alliance to stop baiting other people who are outside of our alliance. It's not productive, nor does it belong on this thread. This isn't a rant threat, nor is it an IRC where you can speak your mind about this in confidence. People are watching.

The alternative viewpoint is that any such argument constitutes a dictatorial threat to close down open discussion, intellectual curiosity, and potential appreciation of the truth (or at any rate, whatever is likely true) and should obviously have no place whatever in the International Freedom Coalition.

Just a heads up that im on vacation so until Monda night, so my post will vary from normal to non existing

Have a good vacation!

[The Lendol Archipelago]

Now to place bets on how long you'll last until you rip out your hair and make a blanket fort...

I give it a week

Dammit, I'd betted that it had already happened.

[Valaran]

Not meaning to start an argument either, simply curious - which bit do you dislike? Or do you mean all of it? If so, what standard do you use to judge people's designs?

My disagreement largely lies with the logic concerning population, and economic/resource capacity - I disagree with all of it, but it largely stems from this root cause, since the views expressed in there lead into into views on designs and so on.

I also disagree on what views apparently categorise an MT RPer as 'decent'... though (and I'm not sure about this), maybe your particular turn of phrase there was just a rhetorical flourish?

[Sibiri-]

((WIP))

International Freedom Coalition IFC Admissions Department, International Commonwealth Agency, Alexandria, Ausitoria, Aestorian Commonwealth IFC Admissions Application National Information Formal Nation Name: The Siberian Confederation Shortened Nation Name: Siberia Demonym: Siberian Capital city: Omsk National Population (RP): 42,000,000 Form of Government: Federal Republic Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements):Yes, through Elective Representatives. How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Left Head of State: President Natalia Kozlovsky Head of Government: Vice President Gregory Stoyanoski Economic System: Free Market Currency: Siberian Rouble Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 Rouble = 0.36 NSD Major Exports: Oil, Gold, Automobile Parts, Machine Parts, Gas, Coal, Iron, Copper, Zinc, Nickle, Silver Major Imports: Wheat, Fruits, Vegetables Language: Russian Brief History of your nation: Siberia became it's own country in 2000 following a referendum in 1999 to choose to stay or seperate, getting a 80%. The entire area of what Siberia's historical definition was, was made into the newly formed Confederacy. For the first 8 years, Russia and Siberia enjoyed close economic relations, but when Russia invaded Georgia, sparked a bit of concern and lowered relations slightly. In 2014, Siberia and Russia became bitter enemies due to Russia invading Ukraine, and since, imposed rough sanctions on them. The two experienced the worst relations since Yeltsin and President Nadezhea's relations in the referendum years. Map: http://i.imgur.com/lDnWtVj.png IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): (Not yet done with it) Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms Does your nation have Freedom of thought: Yes Freedom of belief (religion): Yes Freedom of expression: Yes Freedom of the media: Yes Freedom of peaceful assembly: Yes Freedom of association: Yes Freedom of movement: Yes Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Yes Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Yes Freedom from slavery: Yes Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Yes Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Yes (16+) Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Yes Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Yes Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Yes (All forms of discrimination is banned) Right to own property: Yes Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Yes (Private owned) Right to innocent navigation: Yes Foreign Relations and Military Statistics What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): None. What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.) None. Foreign Policy: Siberia is mostly friendly with Ukraine and several other nations in Europe. They also show a very close tie with the United States. Siberia is open to mainly allot of doors of opportunity. Number of active military personnel (RP): 65,568,733 Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 200,000,000 Nuclear Arsenal (if any): 2,000 Active Warheads. Name of Military: Siberian Armed Forces Branches of Military: Siberian Ground Forces Siberian Tankers Siberian Rocketeers Siberian Air Force Siberian Helicopterteers Siberian Riflemen Siberian Navy Siberian Marines Siberian Snowwalkers (Special Forces) RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): I will have to get back my other account. It had many of my rps on there. Watch this space for a bit. Delegate to the IFC Council Information Name: Sahkio Ans-kun Age: 30 Gender: Female Biography (optional): Born in Kyzal in 1986, Tuva, Sahkio was born to a small band of Steppe hunters. When she grew up, she went to school in Kyzal and graduated from Vladimir Lenin Institute of Diplomacy. She then went on to becoming a diplomat. Education (optional): Bachelors Degree Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: Namely for protection and to hold a name for all Siberians to be proud of. We wish to ensure that the world remains free from fascists and to ensure that the whole world has ensured protection against any foe who would dare attack any inncents. Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: Yes Signature: Natalia Bronislavrona Kozlovsky Date: 30/7/16 **IFCAPP**

[Mizrad]

((WIP))

(Image) International Freedom Coalition IFC Admissions Department, International Commonwealth Agency, Alexandria, Ausitoria, Aestorian Commonwealth IFC Admissions Application National Information Formal Nation Name: The Siberian Confederation Shortened Nation Name: Siberia Demonym: Siberian Capital city: Omsk National Population (RP): 42,000,000 Form of Government: Federal Republic Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements):Yes, through Elective Representatives. How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Left Head of State: President Natalia Kozlovsky Head of Government: Vice President Gregory Stoyanoski Economic System: Free Market Currency: Siberian Rouble Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 Rouble = 0.36 NSD Major Exports: Oil, Gold, Automobile Parts, Machine Parts, Gas, Coal, Iron, Copper, Zinc, Nickle, Silver Major Imports: Wheat, Fruits, Vegetables Language: Russian Brief History of your nation: Siberia became it's own country in 2000 following a referendum in 1999 to choose to stay or seperate, getting a 80%. The entire area of what Siberia's historical definition was, was made into the newly formed Confederacy. For the first 8 years, Russia and Siberia enjoyed close economic relations, but when Russia invaded Georgia, sparked a bit of concern and lowered relations slightly. In 2014, Siberia and Russia became bitter enemies due to Russia invading Ukraine, and since, imposed rough sanctions on them. The two experienced the worst relations since Yeltsin and President Nadezhea's relations in the referendum years. Map: http://i.imgur.com/lDnWtVj.png IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): (Not yet done with it) Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms Does your nation have Freedom of thought: Yes Freedom of belief (religion): Yes Freedom of expression: Yes Freedom of the media: Yes Freedom of peaceful assembly: Yes Freedom of association: Yes Freedom of movement: Yes Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Yes Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Yes Freedom from slavery: Yes Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Yes Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Yes (16+) Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Yes Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Yes Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Yes (All forms of discrimination is banned) Right to own property: Yes Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Yes (Private owned) Right to innocent navigation: Yes Foreign Relations and Military Statistics What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): None. What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.) None. Foreign Policy: Siberia is mostly friendly with Ukraine and several other nations in Europe. They also show a very close tie with the United States. Siberia is open to mainly allot of doors of opportunity. Number of active military personnel (RP): 65,568,733 Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 200,000,000 Nuclear Arsenal (if any): 2,000 Active Warheads. Name of Military: Siberian Armed Forces Branches of Military: Siberian Ground Forces Siberian Tankers Siberian Rocketeers Siberian Air Force Siberian Helicopterteers Siberian Riflemen Siberian Navy Siberian Marines Siberian Snowwalkers (Special Forces) RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): I will have to get back my other account. It had many of my rps on there. Watch this space for a bit. Delegate to the IFC Council Information Name: Sahkio Ans-kun Age: 30 Gender: Female Biography (optional): Born in Kyzal in 1986, Tuva, Sahkio was born to a small band of Steppe hunters. When she grew up, she went to school in Kyzal and graduated from Vladimir Lenin Institute of Diplomacy. She then went on to becoming a diplomat. Education (optional): Bachelors Degree Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: Namely for protection and to hold a name for all Siberians to be proud of. We wish to ensure that the world remains free from fascists and to ensure that the whole world has ensured protection against any foe who would dare attack any inncents. Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: Yes Signature: Natalia Bronislavrona Kozlovsky Date: 30/7/16 **IFCAPP**

I can't tell if I'm reading this wrong or not but is your military larger than your population? Looks like all the other things are fine. Your amount of military branches seems confusing and unorthodox but as far as I know we don't have any regulations about that.

[Guadalupador]

It is very obviously within the IFC's remit, and the remit of all its members, to discuss what other members think about RPing and the constraints of realism.

That's fine, but it shouldn't be in such a manner as referring to specific RPers, and non-members of the coalition at that, and outright attempting to bait them. It makes this organization look bad, and unprofessional.

[Roskian Federation]

((WIP))

(Image) International Freedom Coalition IFC Admissions Department, International Commonwealth Agency, Alexandria, Ausitoria, Aestorian Commonwealth IFC Admissions Application National Information Formal Nation Name: The Siberian Confederation Shortened Nation Name: Siberia Demonym: Siberian Capital city: Omsk National Population (RP): 42,000,000 Form of Government: Federal Republic Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements):Yes, through Elective Representatives. How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Left Head of State: President Natalia Kozlovsky Head of Government: Vice President Gregory Stoyanoski Economic System: Free Market Currency: Siberian Rouble Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 Rouble = 0.36 NSD Major Exports: Oil, Gold, Automobile Parts, Machine Parts, Gas, Coal, Iron, Copper, Zinc, Nickle, Silver Major Imports: Wheat, Fruits, Vegetables Language: Russian Brief History of your nation: Siberia became it's own country in 2000 following a referendum in 1999 to choose to stay or seperate, getting a 80%. The entire area of what Siberia's historical definition was, was made into the newly formed Confederacy. For the first 8 years, Russia and Siberia enjoyed close economic relations, but when Russia invaded Georgia, sparked a bit of concern and lowered relations slightly. In 2014, Siberia and Russia became bitter enemies due to Russia invading Ukraine, and since, imposed rough sanctions on them. The two experienced the worst relations since Yeltsin and President Nadezhea's relations in the referendum years. Map: http://i.imgur.com/lDnWtVj.png IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): (Not yet done with it) Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms Does your nation have Freedom of thought: Yes Freedom of belief (religion): Yes Freedom of expression: Yes Freedom of the media: Yes Freedom of peaceful assembly: Yes Freedom of association: Yes Freedom of movement: Yes Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Yes Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Yes Freedom from slavery: Yes Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Yes Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Yes (16+) Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Yes Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Yes Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Yes (All forms of discrimination is banned) Right to own property: Yes Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Yes (Private owned) Right to innocent navigation: Yes Foreign Relations and Military Statistics What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): None. What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.) None. Foreign Policy: Siberia is mostly friendly with Ukraine and several other nations in Europe. They also show a very close tie with the United States. Siberia is open to mainly allot of doors of opportunity. Number of active military personnel (RP): 65,568,733 Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 200,000,000 Nuclear Arsenal (if any): 2,000 Active Warheads. Name of Military: Siberian Armed Forces Branches of Military: Siberian Ground Forces Siberian Tankers Siberian Rocketeers Siberian Air Force Siberian Helicopterteers Siberian Riflemen Siberian Navy Siberian Marines Siberian Snowwalkers (Special Forces) RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): I will have to get back my other account. It had many of my rps on there. Watch this space for a bit. Delegate to the IFC Council Information Name: Sahkio Ans-kun Age: 30 Gender: Female Biography (optional): Born in Kyzal in 1986, Tuva, Sahkio was born to a small band of Steppe hunters. When she grew up, she went to school in Kyzal and graduated from Vladimir Lenin Institute of Diplomacy. She then went on to becoming a diplomat. Education (optional): Bachelors Degree Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: Namely for protection and to hold a name for all Siberians to be proud of. We wish to ensure that the world remains free from fascists and to ensure that the whole world has ensured protection against any foe who would dare attack any inncents. Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: Yes Signature: Natalia Bronislavrona Kozlovsky Date: 30/7/16 **IFCAPP**

I can't tell if I'm reading this wrong or not but is your military larger than your population? Looks like all the other things are fine. Your amount of military branches seems confusing and unorthodox but as far as I know we don't have any regulations about that.

His military currently makes up 631% of his population.