International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Elesar]

Make sure to annex your yard or get a window planter; you'll need sustainable agriculture somehow

Nah I'll just let my fostermom cook for me or order some MCDonalds or Subway.

Isn't one of the prerequisites for nationhood the ability to be at least a little self sufficient?

[Inyourfaceistan]

What do you think of this guys?

(Image)

The nazis called.
They want their propaganda back.

[Elesar]

Isn't one of the prerequisites for nationhood the ability to be at least a little self sufficient?

....
I have a bed.
I can sleep.
I have videogames.
So I can have my own entertainment.
I have a population of 4.
I can defend my own country from the bugs.
Does that count?

But you aren't producing anything. You're relying completely on outside sources for food, water, and shelter. Who owns the house your room is in? Not you. You have to ask your mother for food/drink or go outside of your nation for it. You don't produce any.

[United States of Devonta]

Well, URA's been anti-Feng for a while, now.

*raises glass* Death to the whatever!

Why am I so much like Pre World War 1 Germany in how much people like and dislike me?

Just because I'm no longer in Atlas doesn't mean my stance on purging the imperialist Feng heretics doesn't follow me.[/quote]

IFC-Feng War!? Where do I sign up!

Feng imperialism will be defeated

[The United Remnants of America]

Just because I'm no longer in Atlas doesn't mean my stance on purging the imperialist Feng heretics doesn't follow me.

IFC-Feng War!? Where do I sign up!

Feng imperialism will be defeated

I'm not Imperialist though...
Not much. [/quote]
Imperialist enough.

[Ardoki]

Ardokians love high taxes. They understand that it provides them with free healthcare and education, welfare, and subsidised utilises and transport; among many other things.

While Ardoki is technically a democracy, the people think the state has popular legitimacy and the majority love the ruling party. However they would still support us either way, as we take care of them.

No one in their right mind (okay.. That probably exempts Ardokians) loves taxes. Who likes having their money taken away from them? Would they much rather buy their own education and healthcare, with paying for others too?

https://sweden.se/society/why-swedes-are-okay-with-paying-taxes/

No one in their right mind (okay.. That probably exempts Ardokians) loves taxes. Who likes having their money taken away from them? Would they much rather buy their own education and healthcare, with paying for others too?

With no offense; Lazy people.

I am not aiming that at anyone particular, but many people support socialism because they are lazy. But this isn't place for this discussion.

Point is, however, many people love "Big Brother" states where the powers that be administrate their lives for them, because... it is simply easier. You don't have to worry about anything, you just get.

But whoever controls your needs, controls you.

Thus, a cruel paradox emerges with choice between worse freedom, and better dependency.

People who want to follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and ensure that healthcare and education are freely available and accessible (as they are human rights), are NOT lazy.
People who want to ensure that every person can have a decent standard of living, so as to allow themselves to lift themselves out of poverty and contribute to society, are NOT lazy.

I understand that there is whole "survival of the fittest" ideology in the right-wing; however in reality far superior outcomes are achieved through cooperation.

[Asigna]

What do you think of this guys?

(Image)

The nazis called.
They want their propaganda back.

It's a prototype. The regime is stepping up to produce its own feel and style so we can no longer be called as Nazi rip offs.

[Krjder]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=363291
Here we go!

[Aeyariss]

Ardokians love high taxes. They understand that it provides them with free healthcare and education, welfare, and subsidised utilises and transport; among many other things.

It must be bad for business over there. (I hate paying taxes, the more I earn, the more the government take from me...for what?).

People who want to follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and ensure that healthcare and education are freely available and accessible (as they are human rights), are NOT lazy.People who want to ensure that every person can have a decent standard of living, so as to allow themselves to lift themselves out of poverty and contribute to society, are NOT lazy.I understand that there is whole "survival of the fittest" ideology in the right-wing; however in reality far superior outcomes are achieved through cooperation.

Well in theory, yes.

In practical sense, there's too much freerider in a populist socialist policy...it's a waste of resources, really.

[Romane Filipina]

Ardokians love high taxes. They understand that it provides them with free healthcare and education, welfare, and subsidised utilises and transport; among many other things.

It must be bad for business over there. (I hate paying taxes, the more I earn, the more the government take from me...for what?).

People who want to follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and ensure that healthcare and education are freely available and accessible (as they are human rights), are NOT lazy.People who want to ensure that every person can have a decent standard of living, so as to allow themselves to lift themselves out of poverty and contribute to society, are NOT lazy.I understand that there is whole "survival of the fittest" ideology in the right-wing; however in reality far superior outcomes are achieved through cooperation.

Well in theory, yes.

In practical sense, there's too much freerider in a populist socialist policy...it's a waste of resources, really.

It's a matter of perspective. Some people benefit from it and use it to push themselves towards better and constructive lives. Of course, that isn't always the case. People will always have to choose between the risk of high inequality and the risk of laziness. But if i am to be asked, i rather prefer the society in which the whole of it can be mobilized at moment's notice.

[Aeyariss]

It's a matter of perspective.

Indeed. From someone who is paying taxes, I care where my money went, if it's being channelled to help sustain the sense of entitlement/benefits of people in this country who are not paying taxes/doesn't contribute any/less than I did... then I am not pleased.

Some people benefit from it and use it to push themselves towards better and constructive lives. Of course, that isn't always the case. People will always have to choose between the risk of high inequality and the risk of laziness.

The key is finding balance and implementing good governance.

But if i am to be asked, i rather prefer the society in which the whole of it can be mobilized at moment's notice.

Well, sure...a war can do that.

[Romane Filipina]

Well, sure...a war can do that.

I meant social mobilization. But that will do.

[Ardoki]

Ardokians love high taxes. They understand that it provides them with free healthcare and education, welfare, and subsidised utilises and transport; among many other things.

It must be bad for business over there. (I hate paying taxes, the more I earn, the more the government take from me...for what?).

There is a difference between corporate taxation, income taxation, and the many different other types of taxation. Please be more specific in what you are referring to.

Plus we also have progressive taxation, obviously, which can be used to ensure that the middle and lower classes have more disposable income to stimulate economic growth.

People who want to follow the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and ensure that healthcare and education are freely available and accessible (as they are human rights), are NOT lazy.People who want to ensure that every person can have a decent standard of living, so as to allow themselves to lift themselves out of poverty and contribute to society, are NOT lazy.I understand that there is whole "survival of the fittest" ideology in the right-wing; however in reality far superior outcomes are achieved through cooperation.

Well in theory, yes.

In practical sense, there's too much freerider in a populist socialist policy...it's a waste of resources, really.

Because free healthcare and education is "populist socialist policy" and a "waste of resources". /sarcasm

If the people have a secure standard of living (that includes healthcare and a social safety net) and access to education, they can focus on bettering themselves and lifting themselves out of hardship into contributing members of society; rather than having to stress and worry about the next meal or the inability to pay for a medical visit.

In practice, these policies lead to a far superior economic outcome than letting the poor die on the side of the street.

[Inyourfaceistan]

In practice, these policies lead to a far superior economic outcome than letting the poor die on the side of the street.

This is the most elitist bullshit I have ever read.

Because "the poor" need the help of big daddy government, right?
Because "the poor" aren't capable of helping themselves, right?

So listen, I don't know who you are IRL or where you come from, but I can make a nice big guess that you are middle/upper-middle class between the ages of 13 - 17 living in a well-off Western society; probably in either the suburbs or an elite/gentrified urban community.

I don't know how many of "the poor" you have ever met in your life, but guess what.
They (mostly) aren't stupid.
They aren't helpless.
They aren't like animals that need to be groomed and taken care of.

Many are proud working men and women.
They know how to get by.
Many have been living on the same plots of land for generations.
They know how to hunt, they know how to fish, they know how to cook. Quite a few know how to grow crops better than any suburban hippie elite "self-sufficient gardener" ever could.
I have met a few lazy ignorant morans that honestly fit the stereotype, but I have met many good hardworking people who are honestly a lot better equipped to carve out a living in parts of my own country than most of the people like you who act like your some knight in shining armor who needs to come save "the poor" from themselves who in reality wouldn't last a freaking week in the regions they live in.

I had the honor of meeting a community down in the Amazon basin who could probably be described as some of the poorest people in world. Let me tell you, they know more about that jungle by the time they are 15 than any textbook could ever teach me. They are some of the most skilled people you will ever find at making a living and providing for themselves and their extended family units.
They don't need the government's help. Not their's, not mine, not yours.

Same thing goes with those I mentioned above.
You wanna "help" them?
Then leave them the fuck alone and quit acting like your ways are better...

*drops mic*

[Asigna]

Ah. The smell of ideology being forced upon each other costing respect and peace.
*Sniff*

Beautiful....

[Flardania]

Ah. The smell of ideology being forced upon each other costing respect and peace.
*Sniff*

Beautiful....

......an experience that exceeds the skies of time rye?

[Asigna]

Ah. The smell of ideology being forced upon each other costing respect and peace.
*Sniff*

Beautiful....

......an experience that exceeds the skies of time rye?

Indeed.

[New Aeyariss]

Ah. The smell of ideology being forced upon each other costing respect and peace.
*Sniff*

Beautiful....

You want peace? Prepare for war!

[Ardoki]

In practice, these policies lead to a far superior economic outcome than letting the poor die on the side of the street.

This is the most elitist bullshit I have ever read.

Because "the poor" need the help of big daddy government, right?
Because "the poor" aren't capable of helping themselves, right?

So listen, I don't know who you are IRL or where you come from, but I can make a nice big guess that you are middle/upper-middle class between the ages of 13 - 17 living in a well-off Western society; probably in either the suburbs or an elite/gentrified urban community.

I don't know how many of "the poor" you have ever met in your life, but guess what.
They (mostly) aren't stupid.
They aren't helpless.
They aren't like animals that need to be groomed and taken care of.

Many are proud working men and women.
They know how to get by.
Many have been living on the same plots of land for generations.
They know how to hunt, they know how to fish, they know how to cook. Quite a few know how to grow crops better than any suburban hippie elite "self-sufficient gardener" ever could.
I have met a few lazy ignorant morans that honestly fit the stereotype, but I have met many good hardworking people who are honestly a lot better equipped to carve out a living in parts of my own country than most of the people like you who act like your some knight in shining armor who needs to come save "the poor" from themselves who in reality wouldn't last a freaking week in the regions they live in.

I had the honor of meeting a community down in the Amazon basin who could probably be described as some of the poorest people in world. Let me tell you, they know more about that jungle by the time they are 15 than any textbook could ever teach me. They are some of the most skilled people you will ever find at making a living and providing for themselves and their extended family units.
They don't need the government's help. Not their's, not mine, not yours.

Same thing goes with those I mentioned above.
You wanna "help" them?
Then leave them the fuck alone and quit acting like your ways are better...

*drops mic*

I never stated they were stupid. They are in fact equal citizens.

However it is the government's responsibility to help them lift themselves out of poverty. Not only will it vastly improve their living standard (they will eventually adopt middle-class values), it will greatly benefit the country's economy as a whole (as there will be people who now have access to more money which they can spend on consumer goods, thus stimulating the economy and bringing benefits to all).

Luckily I do not live in the United States, where there is so much poverty. But I have seen documentaries, and the amount of poverty in the US is absolutely horrendous and unacceptable. Those people are victims, and need the state's help in order to become middle-class (as the responsibility of the state is to care for its citizens).

Excuse me. I've somewhat cooked with my parents before, I've watched my garden, and fed visiting birds.
However hunting and fishing is barbaric, you shouldn't kill things (as that is uncivilised); however we shouldn't blame those people as they've been forced to live that way. But they should be helped out of their desperate situation, so they don't have to scavenge to eat.

The state is the best organisation to lift people out of poverty. Churches and charities can't do much, and they have no right to infringe upon the state's responsibility. Just look at Western countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand; they are proof the state can lift people out of poverty.

*Drops the microphone, pours gasoline on it, sets it alight.*

[Flardania]

This is the most elitist bullshit I have ever read.

Because "the poor" need the help of big daddy government, right?
Because "the poor" aren't capable of helping themselves, right?

So listen, I don't know who you are IRL or where you come from, but I can make a nice big guess that you are middle/upper-middle class between the ages of 13 - 17 living in a well-off Western society; probably in either the suburbs or an elite/gentrified urban community.

I don't know how many of "the poor" you have ever met in your life, but guess what.
They (mostly) aren't stupid.
They aren't helpless.
They aren't like animals that need to be groomed and taken care of.

Many are proud working men and women.
They know how to get by.
Many have been living on the same plots of land for generations.
They know how to hunt, they know how to fish, they know how to cook. Quite a few know how to grow crops better than any suburban hippie elite "self-sufficient gardener" ever could.
I have met a few lazy ignorant morans that honestly fit the stereotype, but I have met many good hardworking people who are honestly a lot better equipped to carve out a living in parts of my own country than most of the people like you who act like your some knight in shining armor who needs to come save "the poor" from themselves who in reality wouldn't last a freaking week in the regions they live in.

I had the honor of meeting a community down in the Amazon basin who could probably be described as some of the poorest people in world. Let me tell you, they know more about that jungle by the time they are 15 than any textbook could ever teach me. They are some of the most skilled people you will ever find at making a living and providing for themselves and their extended family units.
They don't need the government's help. Not their's, not mine, not yours.

Same thing goes with those I mentioned above.
You wanna "help" them?
Then leave them the fuck alone and quit acting like your ways are better...

*drops mic*

I never stated they were stupid. They are in fact equal citizens.

However it is the government's responsibility to help them lift themselves out of poverty. Not only will it vastly improve their living standard (they will eventually adopt middle-class values), it will greatly benefit the country's economy as a whole (as there will be people who now have access to more money which they can spend on consumer goods, thus stimulating the economy and bringing benefits to all).

Luckily I do not live in the United States, where there is so much poverty. But I have seen documentaries, and the amount of poverty in the US is absolutely horrendous and unacceptable. Those people are victims, and need the state's help in order to become middle-class (as the responsibility of the state is to care for its citizens).

Excuse me. I've somewhat cooked with my parents before, I've watched my garden, and fed visiting birds.
However hunting and fishing is barbaric, you shouldn't kill things (as that is uncivilised); however we shouldn't blame those people as they've been forced to live that way. But they should be helped out of their desperate situation, so they don't have to scavenge to eat.

The state is the best organisation to lift people out of poverty. Churches and charities can't do much, and they have no right to infringe upon the state's responsibility. Just look at Western countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand; they are proof the state can lift people out of poverty.

*Drops the microphone, pours gasoline on it, sets it alight.*

Hold the bloody phone.

Bring your rear back here boi.

I assume you also think Africa is this super poverty filled undeveloped place because of documentaries rye?

*mud stomps the fire out*

[Ardoki]

I never stated they were stupid. They are in fact equal citizens.

However it is the government's responsibility to help them lift themselves out of poverty. Not only will it vastly improve their living standard (they will eventually adopt middle-class values), it will greatly benefit the country's economy as a whole (as there will be people who now have access to more money which they can spend on consumer goods, thus stimulating the economy and bringing benefits to all).

Luckily I do not live in the United States, where there is so much poverty. But I have seen documentaries, and the amount of poverty in the US is absolutely horrendous and unacceptable. Those people are victims, and need the state's help in order to become middle-class (as the responsibility of the state is to care for its citizens).

Excuse me. I've somewhat cooked with my parents before, I've watched my garden, and fed visiting birds.
However hunting and fishing is barbaric, you shouldn't kill things (as that is uncivilised); however we shouldn't blame those people as they've been forced to live that way. But they should be helped out of their desperate situation, so they don't have to scavenge to eat.

The state is the best organisation to lift people out of poverty. Churches and charities can't do much, and they have no right to infringe upon the state's responsibility. Just look at Western countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand; they are proof the state can lift people out of poverty.

*Drops the microphone, pours gasoline on it, sets it alight.*

Hold the bloody phone.

Bring your rear back here boi.

I assume you also think Africa is this super poverty filled undeveloped place because of documentaries rye?

*mud stomps the fire out*

Nope. Africa suffers from underdevelopment and poverty due to corporate exploitation.

[Asigna]

Nope. Africa suffers from underdevelopment and poverty due to corporate exploitation.

No, ultimately because of corrupt governments, lack of infrastructure as a direct result of European colonialism which stagnated their society. Dem Rep of Congo is the perfect example. Their government, institutions and organizations which were inherited from their colonial periods were only build for slavery, oppression and exploitation of natural resources, which doesn't require anything complex apart from a corrupt government with a few paramilitaries hell bent on killing their people who don't produce enough to meet quotas.

[Asigna]

Ah. The smell of ideology being forced upon each other costing respect and peace.
*Sniff*

Beautiful....

You want peace? Prepare for war!

Subterfuge first my friend... you're too fast.

[Ardoki]

Nope. Africa suffers from underdevelopment and poverty due to corporate exploitation.

No, ultimately because of corrupt governments, lack of infrastructure as a direct result of European colonialism which stagnated their society. Dem Rep of Congo is the perfect example. Their government, institutions and organizations which were inherited from their colonial periods were only build for slavery, oppression and exploitation of natural resources, which doesn't require anything complex apart from a corrupt government with a few paramilitaries hell bent on killing their people who don't produce enough to meet quotas.

Multinational corporations control the vast majority of land in Africa, and when they pushed people of land used for agricultural produce; millions subsequently died in famines.

[Inyourfaceistan]

I never stated they were stupid. They are in fact equal citizens.

However it is the government's responsibility to help them lift themselves out of poverty. Not only will it vastly improve their living standard (they will eventually adopt middle-class values), it will greatly benefit the country's economy as a whole (as there will be people who now have access to more money which they can spend on consumer goods, thus stimulating the economy and bringing benefits to all).

Luckily I do not live in the United States, where there is so much poverty. But I have seen documentaries, and the amount of poverty in the US is absolutely horrendous and unacceptable. Those people are victims, and need the state's help in order to become middle-class (as the responsibility of the state is to care for its citizens).

Excuse me. I've somewhat cooked with my parents before, I've watched my garden, and fed visiting birds.
However hunting and fishing is barbaric, you shouldn't kill things (as that is uncivilised); however we shouldn't blame those people as they've been forced to live that way. But they should be helped out of their desperate situation, so they don't have to scavenge to eat.

The state is the best organisation to lift people out of poverty. Churches and charities can't do much, and they have no right to infringe upon the state's responsibility. Just look at Western countries in Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand; they are proof the state can lift people out of poverty.

*Drops the microphone, pours gasoline on it, sets it alight.*

You literally just ignored everything I just said...