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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:01 am
by Brytene
Flardania wrote:Kirishima personally disapproves but remains silent.

whaaaaaaaaaaat, a nationstates nation which doesn't mouth off about everything it sees? Is this even possible?

Aigeantir wrote:Could you not just deport them to Ardoki? I'm sure they'd get straightened out real well there! :D

Hmm... #Ardoki2BIFCGuantanamo! ;)

i could also just bludgeon them all to death with shovels lol, would be quicker

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:25 am
by Huda
Asigna wrote:
Flardania wrote:Kiryuin: There are times where one has no right or basis to make a public statement on another nations policy.

Rosa: Guys, please, stop bickering.

*Gives medieval weapons*

I WANNA SEE SOME FLYING BODY PARTS!! :lol2:

Abbas: Let's do whatever Asigna's doing because we're his eternal slaves best friend.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:58 am
by Inyourfaceistan
Brytene wrote:What are the IFC's general thoughts on state-enforced death penalties?

What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:04 am
by New Aeyariss
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Brytene wrote:What are the IFC's general thoughts on state-enforced death penalties?

What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics


HONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (BEHEADING):
- Willing Arson
- Willing Murder
- Pimping
- Enslavement
- Kidnapping for Ransom
- Rape

DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
- High Treason
- Espionage
- Certain forms of corruption
- Serial Rape
- Serial Murder

Note that women have that different category, and all punishments for women are executed by hanging.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:09 am
by Brytene
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Brytene wrote:What are the IFC's general thoughts on state-enforced death penalties?

What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics

I mean, as opposed to vigilante groups or terrorist squads or whatever issuing death penalties. At the moment, Brytene has no death penalty, but I'm still figuring out the plot of this OP

btw I thought Inyursta was pro-drugs? Or only for export?

New Aeyariss wrote:HONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (BEHEADING):
- Willing Arson
- Willing Murder
- Pimping
- Enslavement
- Kidnapping for Ransom
- Rape

DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
- High Treason
- Espionage
- Certain forms of corruption
- Serial Rape
- Serial Murder

Can a rapist really die an honourable death?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:16 am
by Organized States
Inyourfaceistan wrote:
Brytene wrote:What are the IFC's general thoughts on state-enforced death penalties?

What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics

Mine is a long list.

State Implemented
-Murder

OS Military Death Penalty punishable crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice

85 Desertion
90 Assaulting or willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer
94 Mutiny or sedition
99 Misbehavior before the enemy
100 Subordinate compelling surrender
101 Improper use of countersign
102 Forcing a safeguard
104 Aiding the enemy
106 Lurking as a spy
106a Espionage
110 Improper hazarding of vessel
113 Misbehavior as a Sentinel, Sentry, or Look-out
118 Murder
120 Rape (including child rape)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:27 am
by New Aeyariss
Brytene wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics

I mean, as opposed to vigilante groups or terrorist squads or whatever issuing death penalties. At the moment, Brytene has no death penalty, but I'm still figuring out the plot of this OP

btw I thought Inyursta was pro-drugs? Or only for export?

New Aeyariss wrote:HONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (BEHEADING):
- Willing Arson
- Willing Murder
- Pimping
- Enslavement
- Kidnapping for Ransom
- Rape

DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
- High Treason
- Espionage
- Certain forms of corruption
- Serial Rape
- Serial Murder

Can a rapist really die an honourable death?


Well according to my original penalty code, punishment for rape had to be castration. But I changed this as punishment from pimping.

Still, due to Nihonese system, execution can be only carried within minimum two months from sentence, during which each case is re-checked. But castration is not. Thus rapists are first castrated, then killed.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:42 am
by Asigna
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Some excerpts from the revised penal code of 2043.


Hunting a Filipino eagle and other protected animal species - Death penalty by hanging
Illegal logging - Death penalty by hanging
Manslaughter: Voluntary/Terrorism - Death by hanging
Treason - Death by firing squad. If treason was done in assistance to a non destructive party, then that would certainly mean 40 years on incarceration and labor.
Aiding & Abetting / Accessory - Conspiracy to commit crime would depend on the severity on the crime and the level of intent there is (uncovered by lie detectors). If the conspiracy was done for treason, that would mean death by firing squad.
1st degee Murder - Hanging unless if it was justified by a motive such as a "revenge murder" or a grudge due to the victim's cruelty or an infraction done to the suspect's party , then that would be penalized by Reclusion perpetua, life imprisonment. Hanging will be the choice if the murder was done with no motive and if it was preemptive with no provocation.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:48 am
by Azenyanistan
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International Freedom Coalition
Admissions Department,
500 Zavra Avenue,
International Freedom Coalition Headquarters,
Musrum, Bratislav


IFC Admissions Application


National Information
Formal Nation Name: The People of Azenyanistan
Shortened Nation Name: Azenyanistan
Demonym: Azen
Capital city: Amman
National Population (RP): 193 million
Form of Government: Democracy
Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives): Directly
How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Complicated. A little bit to the left.
Head of State: Oasis
Head of Government: Oasis
Economic System: Free market
Currency: UCB Credit
Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 UCB credit = 1 NSD
Major Exports: Tanks, Oil, Dates, Azen chicken
Major Imports: Tanks, More oil, Vegetables, Fruits, Meat
Language: English and Arabic and Kurdish but the most spoken language and the most written is English
Very Brief History of your nation: Came from 7 cities in Central Asia. Moved to Middle East. United it. Participated in Crusades, Arab Revolt, Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, invasion of Iraq, invasion of Afghanistan by US, etc. Waged war against communists. Lost. Waged another war using terror against communists. Lost again. Got occupied. A few more wars. Lost again. Got occupied completely. Exodus to islands. Nation in many many places now.
Map: (Optional)
IIwiki page link (If you have one):

Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms
Does your nation have
Freedom of thought: yes
Freedom of belief (religion): yes
Freedom of expression: yes
Freedom of the media: yes
Freedom of peaceful assembly: yes
Freedom of association: yes
Freedom of movement: yes
Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: yes
Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: yes
Freedom from slavery: yes
Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: yes
Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): yes
Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: yes
Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: yes
Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): yes

Foreign Relations and Military Statistics
What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): GALAN, MDP
What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.)
Foreign Policy: Allow foreigners into country so long as they obey law of land and do nothing that would threaten country
Number of active military personnel (RP): 700,000
Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 1,400,000
Nuclear Arsenal (if any): none
Name of Military: Azen National Army
Branches of Military: Army, Ghost Division (Tanks), Navy, Coast Guard, Border Guard, Republican Guard, Saracen Armies of Azenyanistan (militias) and Air Force
RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): viewtopic.php?t=349779

Delegate to the IFC Council Information
Name: Yalisia ur Posaliria
Age: 22
Gender: Female, Straight
Biography (optional, but highly encouraged): Yalisia ur Posaliria is an Azen from one of the 7 cities of Azenyanistan in Central Asia. She was a former tank gunner in the Azen militaries during the Azen Wars. She then fled to the islands in the exodus from the NPE zones of Azenyanistan and became a politician. After much work, she was recognized by Sadisia then by Oasis and was made the delegate for this organization.
Education (optional): Finished. Passed nursery, elementary, high school, senior high school and college
Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: To free itself from occupation after 77 years and to stop imperialism and to promote freedom and to fight for freedom
Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth by the IFC's Charter?: yes
Signature: ________Oasis_____________________
Date:__________September 24, XXXX_____________

**IFCAPP**

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:01 am
by West Aurelia
Organized States wrote:OS Military Death Penalty punishable crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice

85 Desertion
90 Assaulting or willfully disobeying a superior commissioned officer
94 Mutiny or sedition
99 Misbehavior before the enemy
100 Subordinate compelling surrender
101 Improper use of countersign
102 Forcing a safeguard
104 Aiding the enemy
106 Lurking as a spy
106a Espionage
110 Improper hazarding of vessel
113 Misbehavior as a Sentinel, Sentry, or Look-out
118 Murder
120 Rape (including child rape)


Is the death penalty only applicable during wartime for most of these crimes?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:14 am
by Inyourfaceistan
Brytene wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:What do you mean by "state-enforced"?

But in Inyursta someone could get a death sentence (usually by firing squad) for the following depending on the severity of the charge, the quantity and clarity of evidence, and obviously the judge and jury:
- Murder
- Serial Rape
- Treason/Espionage
- Grand Narcotics

I mean, as opposed to vigilante groups or terrorist squads or whatever issuing death penalties. At the moment, Brytene has no death penalty, but I'm still figuring out the plot of this OP

Okay, just clarifying. "State-enforced" could mean a lot of things...

btw I thought Inyursta was pro-drugs? Or only for export?

Marijuana is legal.
Cocaine is legal for regulated export only.
Meth, Oxy, Opium, ect. are still illegal.

Basically if your Pablo Escobar/Griselda Blanco/Jacques Ketant/El Chapo Gusman your fair game for a death sentence.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:26 am
by Brytene
New Aeyariss wrote:
Well according to my original penalty code, punishment for rape had to be castration. But I changed this as punishment from pimping.

Still, due to Nihonese system, execution can be only carried within minimum two months from sentence, during which each case is re-checked. But castration is not. Thus rapists are first castrated, then killed.

Fair enough...still, seems a bit odd that rapists would allowed to be given an 'honourable' death (even if they are castrated first) since surely it's one of the worst crimes there is. Especially for a nation like Nihon which, if IIRC, is much more conservative and therefore would view attacks upon women as extra cowardly and dishonourable.

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Marijuana is legal.
Cocaine is legal for regulated export only.
Meth, Oxy, Opium, ect. are still illegal.

Basically if your Pablo Escobar/Griselda Blanco/Jacques Ketant/El Chapo Gusman your fair game for a death sentence.

But Escobar was cocaine, wasn't he? So surely if he's just exporting (to say, the US) then Inyursta would tolerate it?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:01 pm
by New Carloso
Technically, the death penalty has been abolished in Carloso since October 1845... but that's not to say the Office of National Intelligence and it's predecessors have taken out a few serious sources of trouble over the years. Provisions are in place though for capital punishment's reimplementation in the cases of war.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:22 pm
by Krjder
Brytene wrote:Gonna do a diplomatic RP where a bunch of people kill each other over a mixed-religion marriage, will be open to the general public. What are the IFC's general thoughts on state-enforced death penalties?


The Krïdan empire maintains the death penalty for various crimes, such as murder, rape, treason and other unsavoury crimes. Not to mention my secret services and police cause one or two 'disappearings'.. Legal executions are usually carried out by either a firing squad or hanging. Sometimes, we just game them out back and put a handgun to their head and pop 'em.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:34 pm
by Unified Free Lands
Statetopia and also it's parent state Terres Libres don't officially have the death penalty for anyone other than serial killers, but shooting on sight is common when it comes to treason, and leaking government info to the enemy is a unofficial death sentence.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:59 pm
by New Roma Republic
Death penalty in the NRR is always last resort. If a serial killer is put to trial, and found guilty, s/he will find him/herself in the executioner's chamber. Same with serial raping. However, all other crimes go through a series of rehabilitation programs to help that criminal become a productive member of society once again. Also includes help for the mentally ill, and others with mentally reducing conditions. If an execution for one of these criminals was to occur, it would be if all rehabilitation has failed, and they have once again committed a heinous crime. (Note: Only those who commit capital crimes are executed).

Executions are done mostly by lethal injection, however, traitors are sent to the guillotine.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 3:54 pm
by United States of Conner
While the death penalty officially no longer exists in the USC, seeing as people who would be receiving the death penalty are shipped off to prisons in Antarctica or Greenland, it's not that much better.

People who must be ... taken care of are either involved in an 'accident' or have a SHIELD raid on their house and a gun planted later. That's rare, though.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:11 pm
by Aigeantir
In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail. :D

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:19 pm
by Flardania
Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail. :D

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However in Kirishima if person is a huge escape risk, with the means to escape and induce further harm to society. Only then a life is taken.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:06 pm
by Libraria and Ausitoria
New Aeyariss wrote:DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
[...]
- Espionage

You do know that makes war with Ausitoria inevitable at some point?

Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail. :D

The only sensible policy for the IFC.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:18 pm
by United States of Conner
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
[...]
- Espionage

You do know that makes war with Ausitoria inevitable at some point?

Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail. :D

The only sensible policy for the IFC.

I have my doubts that executing a spy from a nation you're trying to keep good relations with would be something Cuscy would do. Just shoot them quietly and move on.

And while I'm typically against the death penalty, I do think there are some, perhaps not crimes but cases themselves where the death penalty may be required. That's the right IFC policy, especially when in a state of conflict.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:27 pm
by Ardoki
Ardoki, as a civilised country, has abolished the death penalty (back in 1886, save for a bit of counter-revolutionary neutralisation around that time). We have life imprisonment (without parole) as an option for judges when sentencing (we have abolished juries, and now a council of judges oversee all criminal cases) serious cases of violent crimes (such as murder, rape, torture and mutilation) when the defendant has been deemed to dangerous to be released. (These offenders are placed in special prisons)

However our justice system prioritises rehabilitation of offenders, and is against the punishment of them. They have committed a crime and there is nothing we can do to change that, what the state should focus on is rehabilitating them so they can become cooperative members of society again.
For example: Our prisons are nice places designed to be as similar to the outside world as possible (so when the prisoners are released they can easily fit back into society); each prisoner (they are refereed to as 'guests' in the justice system) has their own private bedroom and bathroom and they share (with several other prisoners) their own kitchens and living rooms. There are sports areas, outdoor areas and indoor recreational areas. The guests are taught life skills such as cooking, cleaning and how to manage money, and are given all the education and technical training that you could get outside the prison (prisons are termed 'rehabilitative schools') such as programming, woodwork, teaching, etcetera. They have access to sports and music facilities, as well as video games, films and television. The guards become friends and mentors of the guests, and are instrumental in the rehabilitation; playing games with the guests and such. The guests are also given free access to materials and people, to pleasure themselves with; as well as the ability to have private time with their spouses.


Just a very limited overview of our justice system. Please feel free to ask me questions, it'll help me flesh our my system more (and would be of great benefit to me).

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:33 pm
by Asigna
Flardania wrote:
Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail. :D

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However in Kirishima if person is a huge escape risk, with the means to escape and induce further harm to society. Only then a life is taken.


The bayan is going to remove the death penalty soon. We are going to follow the ways of Norway where people are allowed to be redeemed of their sins and decide to become more productive members of society.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:39 pm
by United States of Conner
Ardoki wrote:Ardoki, as a civilised country, has abolished the death penalty (back in 1886, save for a bit of counter-revolutionary neutralisation around that time). We have life imprisonment (without parole) as an option for judges when sentencing (we have abolished juries, and now a council of judges oversee all criminal cases) serious cases of violent crimes (such as murder, rape, torture and mutilation) when the defendant has been deemed to dangerous to be released. (These offenders are placed in special prisons)

However our justice system prioritises rehabilitation of offenders, and is against the punishment of them. They have committed a crime and there is nothing we can do to change that, what the state should focus on is rehabilitating them so they can become cooperative members of society again.
For example: Our prisons are nice places designed to be as similar to the outside world as possible (so when the prisoners are released they can easily fit back into society); each prisoner (they are refereed to as 'guests' in the justice system) has their own private bedroom and bathroom and they share (with several other prisoners) their own kitchens and living rooms. There are sports areas, outdoor areas and indoor recreational areas. The guests are taught life skills such as cooking, cleaning and how to manage money, and are given all the education and technical training that you could get outside the prison (prisons are termed 'rehabilitative schools') such as programming, woodwork, teaching, etcetera. They have access to sports and music facilities, as well as video games, films and television. The guards become friends and mentors of the guests, and are instrumental in the rehabilitation; playing games with the guests and such. The guests are also given free access to materials and people, to pleasure themselves with; as well as the ability to have private time with their spouses.


Just a very limited overview of our justice system. Please feel free to ask me questions, it'll help me flesh our my system more (and would be of great benefit to me).

Though Conner does have a rehab system in place of prisons (for the most part, barring max security places dotted around the country, the SHIELD/SWORD/FID black sites and the prisons in Antarctica), I'm pretty sure what you've laid out would be pretty expensive. Conner facilities are essentially large campuses, sort of comparable to college campuses: you've got your dorms, typically two or occasionally 3 or 4 to a room (3 or 4 would be placed in a larger room), then you have your rehab centers that teach basic skills needed for reintegration to society as well as to make sure they don't commit whatever crime they committed again.

That being said, they are under armed guard at all times, and while they have a relative degree of freedom, it's still not a very pleasant time. It has to act as a deterrent, or else it's not going to stop anything.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:47 pm
by Inyourfaceistan
Brytene wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Marijuana is legal.
Cocaine is legal for regulated export only.
Meth, Oxy, Opium, ect. are still illegal.

Basically if your Pablo Escobar/Griselda Blanco/Jacques Ketant/El Chapo Gusman your fair game for a death sentence.

But Escobar was cocaine, wasn't he? So surely if he's just exporting (to say, the US) then Inyursta would tolerate it?

Well are we talking about IRL Pablo Escobar who was a rampaging megalomaniac who tried to hold a country hostage on the hypothetical proposition that he would legally be allowed to produce cocaine in Inyursta; or a completely theoretical alternate timeline Escobar who became a legitimate businessman and didn't try to blow up presidential candidates and send sicarios after anyone who crossed him?

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
New Aeyariss wrote:DISHONOURABLE PUNISHMENT (LING CHI - THOUSAND CUTS PUNISHMENT):
[...]
- Espionage

You do know that makes war with Ausitoria inevitable at some point?

Nobody cares.

You aren't as scary as you think you are...