International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Elesar]

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But seriously lets enjoy the good time without getting so off topic that moderation comes in.

[Elesar]

You just had to, didn't you?

And you say Cusc ruins everything...

Not sure what I did this time...

Just because I don't like Cuscy doesn't mean I can't agree with something he says.

[Brytene]

why can't we all just be friends?

here's mine, and I bet you'll all be SO SURPRISED

I used to be much more authoritarian...but then I grew a little older and realised jackboot fantasies aren't good

[Elesar]

Not sure what I did this time...

Just because I don't like Cuscy doesn't mean I can't agree with something he says.

You have the same goals then: To have fun.
Your anger is preventing that.
Why don't you make up and just try to be friends with him for a while?
Have fun, not rant at him?

Honestly, I'm thinking about leaving the IFC to avoid him.
That's how I plan to keep having fun on NS: Not having to deal with people I hate.
Some people you just can't be friends with. You'd do good to remember that, Deian.
Also, since we're all doing one, here's mine.

[Flardania]

You have the same goals then: To have fun.
Your anger is preventing that.
Why don't you make up and just try to be friends with him for a while?
Have fun, not rant at him?

Honestly, I'm thinking about leaving the IFC to avoid him.

[Aigeantir]

Could we please move away from baiting each other! I hate doing the old "general shame and blame" routine, but the past few pages seems to have people goading each other into this stupid argument from all sides! Elesar, please don't bring the venom against Cus, when it wasn't warranted. He never said anything against you personally (to begin with), so why start attacking him for a post that was never meant to be a slight against anyone... he was just commenting on his nicknames. Cus, Inyura, and the rest from SACTO, please try to refrain from posting responses that are going to push Elesar's buttons. Those of you in SACTO who are members are exempt from this statement, but I allowed the leadership from outside organizations free access to post on here out of good faith that it would allow us to talk things through much more quickly and easily, as well as create a sense of an accountable community within the IFC. Please don't make me question my belief, that you have the ability to conduct yourselves on here as if you were actual members. The rest of you who are IFC members, please don't jump in and push the pro/anti-SACTO agendas when this crap is going on, it only makes things worse. I'd really like to have a more elqoent message, or deal with this a little more fairly (over TG) but I'm tired and don't have the time.

[Elesar]

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Could we please move away from baiting each other! I hate doing the old "general shame and blame" routine, but the past few pages seems to have people goading each other into this stupid argument from all sides! Elesar, please don't bring the venom against Cus, when it wasn't warranted. He never said anything against you personally (to begin with), so why start attacking him for a post that was never meant to be a slight against anyone... he was just commenting on his nicknames. Cus, Inyura, and the rest from SACTO, please try to refrain from posting responses that are going to push Elesar's buttons. Those of you in SACTO who are members are exempt from this statement, but I allowed the leadership from outside organizations free access to post on here out of good faith that it would allow us to talk things through much more quickly and easily, as well as create a sense of an accountable community within the IFC. Please don't make me question my belief, that you have the ability to conduct yourselves on here as if you were actual members. The rest of you who are IFC members, please don't jump in and push the pro/anti-SACTO agendas when this crap is going on, it only makes things worse. I'd really like to have a more elqoent message, or deal with this a little more fairly (over TG) but I'm tired and don't have the time.

Love you Aig

[Aigeantir]

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Could we please move away from baiting each other! I hate doing the old "general shame and blame" routine, but the past few pages seems to have people goading each other into this stupid argument from all sides! Elesar, please don't bring the venom against Cus, when it wasn't warranted. He never said anything against you personally (to begin with), so why start attacking him for a post that was never meant to be a slight against anyone... he was just commenting on his nicknames. Cus, Inyura, and the rest from SACTO, please try to refrain from posting responses that are going to push Elesar's buttons. Those of you in SACTO who are members are exempt from this statement, but I allowed the leadership from outside organizations free access to post on here out of good faith that it would allow us to talk things through much more quickly and easily, as well as create a sense of an accountable community within the IFC. Please don't make me question my belief, that you have the ability to conduct yourselves on here as if you were actual members. The rest of you who are IFC members, please don't jump in and push the pro/anti-SACTO agendas when this crap is going on, it only makes things worse. I'd really like to have a more elqoent message, or deal with this a little more fairly (over TG) but I'm tired and don't have the time.

Love you Aig

You might not after this...

Honestly, I'm thinking about leaving the IFC to avoid him.

Seconded... how is leaving going to help? It's the same thing I tried to get across to Lib about the concept of "taking your bat and your ball and leaving" when things don't seem to be going in your favour. Here's the reality, life isn't easy, and living with other human beings isn't easy. Giving up is a simple way of getting out of things, but it also doesn't allow you to learn much from the experience. I'm not saying that you and Cus need to grow to become friends, but sometimes you need to have people around you who get on your nerves, to be able to learn from other people's points of view, and hopefully understand each other, so you can avoid pissing each other off.

[Elesar]

Love you Aig

Seconded... how is leaving going to help? It's the same thing I tried to get across to Lib about the concept of "taking your bat and your ball and leaving" when things don't seem to be going in your favour. Here's the reality, life isn't easy, and living with other human beings isn't easy. Giving up is a simple way of getting out of things, but it also doesn't allow you to learn much from the experience. I'm not saying that you and Cus need to grow to become friends, but sometimes you need to have people around you who get on your nerves, to be able to learn from other people's points of view, and hopefully understand each other, so you can avoid pissing each other off.

I know this. If he would simply stop posting stuff that pisses me off then we wouldn't have this issue. I avoid SACTO in every thread I post in except for this one, and if he's not gone, then I am.

[Flardania]

Seconded... how is leaving going to help? It's the same thing I tried to get across to Lib about the concept of "taking your bat and your ball and leaving" when things don't seem to be going in your favour. Here's the reality, life isn't easy, and living with other human beings isn't easy. Giving up is a simple way of getting out of things, but it also doesn't allow you to learn much from the experience. I'm not saying that you and Cus need to grow to become friends, but sometimes you need to have people around you who get on your nerves, to be able to learn from other people's points of view, and hopefully understand each other, so you can avoid pissing each other off.

I know this. If he would simply stop posting stuff that pisses me off then we wouldn't have this issue. I avoid SACTO in every thread I post in except for this one, and if he's not gone, then I am.

Not in IESP...........

[Elesar]

I know this. If he would simply stop posting stuff that pisses me off then we wouldn't have this issue. I avoid SACTO in every thread I post in except for this one, and if he's not gone, then I am.

Not in IESP...........

Well that's different. I stay there because I'm legitimately having fun (and because SACTO nations don't push their ideals through their characters)

[Flardania]

Not in IESP...........

Well that's different. I stay there because I'm legitimately having fun (and because SACTO nations don't push their ideals through their characters)

To be frank just stop taking things so seriously and getting visibly pissed off easily.

[Aigeantir]

Seconded... how is leaving going to help? It's the same thing I tried to get across to Lib about the concept of "taking your bat and your ball and leaving" when things don't seem to be going in your favour. Here's the reality, life isn't easy, and living with other human beings isn't easy. Giving up is a simple way of getting out of things, but it also doesn't allow you to learn much from the experience. I'm not saying that you and Cus need to grow to become friends, but sometimes you need to have people around you who get on your nerves, to be able to learn from other people's points of view, and hopefully understand each other, so you can avoid pissing each other off.

I know this. If he would simply stop posting stuff that pisses me off then we wouldn't have this issue. I avoid SACTO in every thread I post in except for this one, and if he's not gone, then I am.

You know, you could just ignore the posts... they're never directed at you, and it only means letting yourself get upset by them. If I had a nickel for every time I got upset for everything that I interpreted negatively on the IFC signup thread alone, I'd be a rich man! (I'm not kidding! Aviran's comments after the spring election really pissed me off. ) Sometimes things aren't meant the way they are interpreted, and yes sometimes they are, but being the bigger man and not letting it bother you is admittedly hard, but a better road to walk than to walk away. You may not feel like it right now, but you're a valued member of this alliance, and it would be sad to see you leave.

[Elesar]

I know this. If he would simply stop posting stuff that pisses me off then we wouldn't have this issue. I avoid SACTO in every thread I post in except for this one, and if he's not gone, then I am.

You know, you could just ignore the posts... they're never directed at you, and it only means letting yourself get upset by them. If I had a nickel for every time I got upset for everything that I interpreted negatively on the IFC signup thread alone, I'd be a rich man! (I'm not kidding! Aviran's comments after the spring election really pissed me off. ) Sometimes things aren't meant the way they are interpreted, and yes sometimes they are, but being the bigger man and not letting it bother you is admittedly hard, but a better road to walk than to walk away. You may not feel like it right now, but you're a valued member of this alliance, and it would be sad to see you leave.

Eh. I've not really done anything other than bitch and moan. Not really very valuable if all I do is start fights and make problems larger, no?

[The Candy Queendom]

Oh boy, time to jump on the bandwagon.

[Aigeantir]

You know, you could just ignore the posts... they're never directed at you, and it only means letting yourself get upset by them. If I had a nickel for every time I got upset for everything that I interpreted negatively on the IFC signup thread alone, I'd be a rich man! (I'm not kidding! Aviran's comments after the spring election really pissed me off. ) Sometimes things aren't meant the way they are interpreted, and yes sometimes they are, but being the bigger man and not letting it bother you is admittedly hard, but a better road to walk than to walk away. You may not feel like it right now, but you're a valued member of this alliance, and it would be sad to see you leave.

Eh. I've not really done anything other than bitch and moan. Not really very valuable if all I do is start fights and make problems larger, no?

Well, you could always arrange some sort of state visit, or military training exercise with some of the other IFC members. I suppose I need to get cracking on my own RP idea as the crowds seem to be growing restless

[Hjalmarr]

Well, the Santiago Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation is a right-wing, anti-communist alliance.

The United Left/Commonwealth of Socialist States both are left wing alliance.

IFC tends to swap between center left and center right, and we're basically the centrists of the three.

OOC: So is the santiago anti communist treaty alliance a fascist alliance and the united left commonwealth of socialist states a communist alliance?

And does this make the IFC like NATO? Or the EU?

SACTO is not a fascist alliance. Anti-communism =/= fascism.

[The Candy Queendom]

OOC: So is the santiago anti communist treaty alliance a fascist alliance and the united left commonwealth of socialist states a communist alliance?

And does this make the IFC like NATO? Or the EU?

SACTO is not a fascist alliance. Anti-communism =/= fascism.

OOC: So is the santiago anti communist treaty alliance a fascist alliance and the united left commonwealth of socialist states a communist alliance?

Objection.

We have single fascist in our alliance as now, and this "fascism" free - marketized and turned into conservative version of Arab nationalism long ago. We are mostly right wing conservative / capitalist group that stands against all forms of socialism

I believe this has already been addressed. But, regardless, thanks for the clarification.

[Shazbotdom]

I saw the PolyComps a few pages back. Personally I prefer the "World Smallest Political Quiz". I find it a much better quiz than the PolyComp one.







Although, if you want to know where I stand on the PolyComp, it is this...

[Ardoki]

I saw the PolyComps a few pages back. Personally I prefer the "World Smallest Political Quiz". I find it a much better quiz than the PolyComp one.



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STATIST (BIG GOVERNMENT)

Statists want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Statists tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

[Hjalmarr]

My political compass.

[The Lendol Archipelago]

I saw the PolyComps a few pages back. Personally I prefer the "World Smallest Political Quiz". I find it a much better quiz than the PolyComp one.



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STATIST (BIG GOVERNMENT)

Statists want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Statists tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

CENTRIST

Centrist prefer a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

[Ardoki]

STATIST (BIG GOVERNMENT)

Statists want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Statists tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties.

CENTRIST

Centrist prefer a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

Our results are really not very different.

[The Candy Queendom]

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

You have the same goals then: To have fun.
Your anger is preventing that.
Why don't you make up and just try to be friends with him for a while?
Have fun, not rant at him?

Honestly, I'm thinking about leaving the IFC to avoid him.

You would have my complete understanding. Once upon a time this place was about nation building. Nowadays anybody would think it was solely devoted to military bragging and aggression. It's the primary reason why I'm still peeved by the IFC's new direction. Probably most of the anti-militarists have left by now...

No we don't. Ausitoria would undoubtedly leak the information when their intelligence service found out.

That really seems like a breach of confidentiality, does it not? "Civilized" nations tend not to do that. Don't do that.

Of course, USC also conducts enhanced interrogation. It's more with drugs, especially those that soften the area of the brain that tells truth from lies, but it happens. It's nasty, but necessary. No water boarding though.

Not when Ausitorian intelligence finds out for themselves.

And torture doesn't actually work, which makes it worse than pointless: people will tell a torturer anything to stop them. There was a case in Japan where an American pilot told the Japanese America had a thousand nuclear weapons or something.

Now there's an example of a really good interrogation technique... I don't think.

Incidentally, can we have a few fewer memes? Perhaps just limit them to Doctor Who? This is in grave danger of turning into a chat thread... although I'm sure we can make an exception for doctor who.

After all,

and all that