International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Pax Centrum]

Lib ffs just give him the password.

If he wants it, he can beg the Speaker for it. But I'm not about to hand over the keys of power to a power-hungry dictator - and I know one when I see one. My dictatorship, such as it was, was reimposing balance and moderation in the IFC. This dictatorship is undoing all that and taking the highway to irrelevance. No wonder SACTO is overjoyed.

Agreed. How unforunate.

[Roskian Federation]

Once again, chemical weapons are part of my detterence policy and will be used only when deemed 100% worthy of being deployed. Furthermore theres nothing wrong with using cluster munitions against militaty targets.

(I assume thats what this ban is aimed at?)

Ban or no ban, I'm keeping them and will use them if required.

It'll be aimed at CBRN weapons, certainly. I don't think it'll be straight out ban- simply restrictions on the usage of weapons that have the potential to indiscriminately harm civilians- protocols for the usage of mines and chemical weapons for example. Long term area denial stuff like VX and radiological weapons will probably be allowed only for deterrent purposes, and I'm considering a ban on the production, but not R/D of biological weapons. Nuclear weapons will not be affected.

I think the following:
Nuclear weapons should not be banned, but non-proliferation should be encouraged (since nuclear weapons are the single most dangerous thing on earth)
Chemical weapons should not be banned, but non-proliferation should be encouraged, and specific bans on their usages should be made. Like firing on civilian populaces (unless deemed absolutely necessary)
Biological weapons should be banned. Research should still be allowed, but only as a means of defending oneself from said attack (cures only). Development should be banned.
Radiological weapons should be banned. The only research that should be allowed is how to effectively respond in the event that one is used against any IFC memberstate, or memberstate of the entire world.

The unncessary usage of any CRBN weapons within the would should be a red flag to the IFC, and should immediately provoke a military response, even if said response is the destruction of all weapon making facilities.

We shouldn't invade Nihan for using chemical weapons in desperation, but if say Feng uses those weapons as the opening of an invasion, I think the IFC should kick Feng's ass back to the stone age.

(just an example, mods pls don't kill)

[Roskian Federation]

If he wants it, he can beg the Speaker for it. But I'm not about to hand over the keys of power to a power-hungry dictator - and I know one when I see one. My dictatorship, such as it was, was reimposing balance and moderation in the IFC. This dictatorship is undoing all that and taking the highway to irrelevance. No wonder SACTO is overjoyed.

Agreed. How unforunate.

I see, welcome back to the IFC LAA.

Will you not be disruptive this time?

[Roskian Federation]

hi friend

ghello broski

welcome to nationstates
what brings you directly to the IFC?

the strings of a puppetmaster

how is atlas going?

i saw Sde is back in power.

[Pax Centrum]

I see, welcome back to the IFC LAA.

Will you not be disruptive this time?

How rude of you to assume I am someone else just because I understand the complex logical and rational implications of their points. I thought the IFC was full of level-headed people who don't allow preconceived notions to cloud their judgements, unfortunately it seems I may have been wrong.

We must wait for Libraria & Ausitoria to return. They shall confirm that I am not they, nor are they I.

[Roskian Federation]

I see, welcome back to the IFC LAA.

Will you not be disruptive this time?

How rude of you to assume I am someone else just because I understand the complex logical and rational implications of their points. I thought the IFC was full of level-headed people who don't allow preconceived notions to cloud their judgements, unfortunately it seems I may have been wrong.

We must wait for Libraria & Ausitoria to return. They shall confirm that I am not they, nor are they I.

considering your first action was applying to to the IFC upon joining the forums, as well as the fact that you agreed with an extremely unpopular opinion (inside and outside the IFC), and you've had no time to study the IFC in its entirety, and you are present talking in his legendary "I'm greater than thou" style.

Thanks - but I know how to spot this kinda crap from billions of miles away.

[The United Remnants of America]

I see, welcome back to the IFC LAA.

Will you not be disruptive this time?

How rude of you to assume I am someone else just because I understand the complex logical and rational implications of their points. I thought the IFC was full of level-headed people who don't allow preconceived notions to cloud their judgements, unfortunately it seems I may have been wrong.

We must wait for Libraria & Ausitoria to return. They shall confirm that I am not they, nor are they I.

And you somehow understand over a year of an organization's history by being here an hour?

It's easy to confirm you are someone else. It's impossible to confirm you aren't someone else.

Sort of like how it's easy to confirm you know something but impossible to confirm you don't know something.

[Pax Centrum]

How rude of you to assume I am someone else just because I understand the complex logical and rational implications of their points. I thought the IFC was full of level-headed people who don't allow preconceived notions to cloud their judgements, unfortunately it seems I may have been wrong.

We must wait for Libraria & Ausitoria to return. They shall confirm that I am not they, nor are they I.

considering your first action was applying to to the IFC upon joining the forums, as well as the fact that you agreed with an extremely unpopular opinion (inside and outside the IFC), and you've had no time to study the IFC in its entirety, and you are present talking in his legendary "I'm greater than thou" style.

Thanks - but I know how to spot this kinda crap from billions of miles away.

I like to do my research before I make a decision, so I did my research on this organization and I was able to conclude that Libraria & Ausitoria is clearly correct in this instance, and from this I can assume it's highly probable that Lib is correct more often than not.

I would continue to debate the fact that I am not Libraria and no doubt I could prove you wrong if I wanted to, but it seems you have already made up your mind about me. What a shame.

[Valaran]

Edit: I'll also like to thank everyone who helped select Kairaku as the new IFC capital. I went up against some tough competition and I feel that made the whole processes better.

^^

Good entries, and a good choice c:

Confirming- I currently have the IFC Admin account under my control.

Verifying that this is Chilokver.

Much obliged to you somehow working through all this, incidentally. It was a tough job for a patch there.

[The United Remnants of America]

considering your first action was applying to to the IFC upon joining the forums, as well as the fact that you agreed with an extremely unpopular opinion (inside and outside the IFC), and you've had no time to study the IFC in its entirety, and you are present talking in his legendary "I'm greater than thou" style.

Thanks - but I know how to spot this kinda crap from billions of miles away.

I like to do my research before I make a decision, so I did my research on this organization and I was able to conclude that Libraria & Ausitoria is clearly correct in this instance, and from this I can assume it's highly probable that Lib is correct more often than not.

I would continue to debate the fact that I am not Libraria and no doubt I could prove you wrong if I wanted to, but it seems you have already made up your mind about me. What a shame.

Again, how have you done any kind of research on a single organization that has stood, just on this iteration, for over a year, while only being on this site for an hour?

The obvious conclusion is that this is not your first nation, or that you've researched this alliance before joining NationStates, which is extremely doubtful.

Also, an assumption that just because someone is right once means they're always right is tantamount to stupidity. Every decision and action should be met with reflection and criticism. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and regardless of his correctness in this instance, it's irresponsible to assume from that single instance that a person will always be right. As said, that's equated with stupidity, and, when in reference to a leadership position, the assumption of infallibility is a cornerstone of authoritarianism.

You can debate it forever, but since you can never prove it, it's a waste of your time to attempt to.

[Daeseong]

considering your first action was applying to to the IFC upon joining the forums, as well as the fact that you agreed with an extremely unpopular opinion (inside and outside the IFC), and you've had no time to study the IFC in its entirety, and you are present talking in his legendary "I'm greater than thou" style.

Thanks - but I know how to spot this kinda crap from billions of miles away.

I like to do my research before I make a decision, so I did my research on this organization and I was able to conclude that Libraria & Ausitoria is clearly correct in this instance, and from this I can assume it's highly probable that Lib is correct more often than not.

I would continue to debate the fact that I am not Libraria and no doubt I could prove you wrong if I wanted to, but it seems you have already made up your mind about me. What a shame.

If you truly are not Libraria, and you can prove it, then you should proffer proof to dispel any notions of foul-play. It just seems a bit suspicious, naturally, that your account has joined the site today and immediately posted an application (implying you have been around before, on another account), and had a profound understanding of the organization for which you have just applied. And least of all, had a remarkably similar writing style, be it from your profuse writing styles, similar phrasing, or nearly identical syntactical structures.

If you fail to do so, I think the vast majority of the IFC would be inclined to assume that, for the reasons aforementioned you are, in fact, LAA, and thus will be (not systemically, of course) considered to be. To save yourself the grief, if you truly are not LAA, it would be a worthwhile endeavor to dispel these notions from the start. I'm not necessarily accusing you of such, but I don't really see how it could harm your case to, in fact, prove you are somebody else.

EDIT: Also, I wish to offer my wholehearted congratulations to Shazbotdom for his unopposed victory. Nice to see a new face leading the IFC.

[Flardania]

I like to do my research before I make a decision, so I did my research on this organization and I was able to conclude that Libraria & Ausitoria is clearly correct in this instance, and from this I can assume it's highly probable that Lib is correct more often than not.

I would continue to debate the fact that I am not Libraria and no doubt I could prove you wrong if I wanted to, but it seems you have already made up your mind about me. What a shame.

If you truly are not Libraria, and you can prove it, then you should proffer proof to dispel any notions of foul-play. It just seems a bit suspicious, naturally, that your account has joined the site today and immediately posted an application (implying you have been around before, on another account), and had a profound understanding of the organization for which you have just applied. And least of all, had a remarkably similar writing style, be it from your profuse writing styles, similar phrasing, or nearly identical syntactical structures.

If you fail to do so, I think the vast majority of the IFC would be inclined to assume that, for the reasons aforementioned you are, in fact, LAA, and thus will be (not systemically, of course) considered to be. To save yourself the grief, if you truly are not LAA, it would be a worthwhile endeavor to dispel these notions from the start. I'm not necessarily accusing you of such, but I don't really see how it could harm your case to, in fact, prove you are somebody else.

EDIT: Also, I wish to offer my wholehearted congratulations to Shazbotdom for his unopposed victory. Nice to see a new face leading the IFC.

Great to see you still around Daeseong.

[Guadalupador]

considering your first action was applying to to the IFC upon joining the forums, as well as the fact that you agreed with an extremely unpopular opinion (inside and outside the IFC), and you've had no time to study the IFC in its entirety, and you are present talking in his legendary "I'm greater than thou" style.

Thanks - but I know how to spot this kinda crap from billions of miles away.

I like to do my research before I make a decision, so I did my research on this organization and I was able to conclude that Libraria & Ausitoria is clearly correct in this instance, and from this I can assume it's highly probable that Lib is correct more often than not.

I would continue to debate the fact that I am not Libraria and no doubt I could prove you wrong if I wanted to, but it seems you have already made up your mind about me. What a shame.

Oh hi there, Lib. Wonder why you made a new account? You're still in the IFC.

[Shazbotdom]

FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire

TO: Membership at large
Tomorrow will begin a new age in this alliance, for today we celebrate. Tomorrow, though, I will institute a thorough check of all members on the membership list to see who is still active on NationStates. Anyone who has cte'd will have a note to be taken off of the list. Anyone who hasn't posted on the forums in a prolonged period of time will be sent a telegram to gauge their interest to remain within the IFC. Let us being stability back to the IFC. Let true FREEDOM ring.
Also note, I will be suspending sign ups until edits are made to the OP, and shortly thereafter, we will be creating a new thread with a much smoother layout to make it easier to navigate. I also am proud to announce our new headquarters and that we will be moving into that facility with the opening of the new sign ups thread and the creation of a new Council Thread.

[Emmerian Republic]

FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire

(Image)

TO: Membership at large
Tomorrow will begin a new age in this alliance, for today we celebrate. Tomorrow, though, I will institute a thorough check of all members on the membership list to see who is still active on NationStates. Anyone who has cte'd will have a note to be taken off of the list. Anyone who hasn't posted on the forums in a prolonged period of time will be sent a telegram to gauge their interest to remain within the IFC. Let us being stability back to the IFC. Let true FREEDOM ring.
Also note, I will be suspending sign ups until edits are made to the OP, and shortly thereafter, we will be creating a new thread with a much smoother layout to make it easier to navigate. I also am proud to announce our new headquarters and that we will be moving into that facility with the opening of the new sign ups thread and the creation of a new Council Thread.

So wait, you're ging to check every single post if the IFc members are inactive? I was busy with some other things in life, what did I missed?

[The United Remnants of America]

So wait, you're ging to check every single post if the IFc members are inactive? I was busy with some other things in life, what did I missed?

Doubtful.

He's probably going to do how I do activity checks for Project Warfighter.

Go through every name on the membership list and click it. If it comes up CTE, the name's removed. If you haven't seen that person anywhere on the forums for a while, you TG them, if you don't recall them being in this thread specifically recently, you TG them. Simple enough.

If you frequent the thread enough, as Shaz probably does, you have an idea of who's around in the past few weeks.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

LAA - if you can't be gracious in defeat, why should you be the leader of the IFC again?

I was gracious in defeat. I saved the IFC from having to make any redundancy payments they didn't want too and thanked everybody in my government. The next day was a new day.

Especially considering it would take a miracle to spur enough activity to successfully fend off Nihon, let alone the whole of SACTO (since you assume that is our enemy).

They're not our enemy... they just aren't us.

if laa thinks he can try to dictate the IFC even though its very clearly been quite angry with how LAA ruled, then I feel we need a mandatory discussion on hypocrisy.

I simply know that the Council is the only possible restraint upon a Prime Minister, and I don't think Shazbotdom likes that. So now the Speaker has the account.

I can certainly say I don't know this Pax Centrum. (Nice to meet you!) There actually is a way to prove this: Pax Centrum, just join the WA (if you aren't in it already), and if the mods do swoop down on one of us, I'll see a psycologist as I must have multiple personality disorder or amnesia.

Anyway, I would never make a puppet with 45 million people... that's so conventional.

[Ghosnia]

International Freedom Coalition IFC Admissions Department, International Commonwealth Agency, Alexandria, Ausitoria, Aestorian Commonwealth IFC Admissions Application National Information Formal Nation Name: The Republic of Ghosnia Shortened Nation Name: Ghosnia Demonym: Ghosnian Capital city: Daijo National Population (RP): 83,000,000 Form of Government: Constitutional Republic Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements): Yes How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center-Left Head of State: President Hana Yo-Sonn Head of Government: President Hana Yo-Sonn Economic System: Mixed-Market Capitalism Currency: Ghosnian Kaito Exchange Rate to NSD: 1 Kaito = 0.90 NSD Major Exports: Various meats, Spices, Electronics, Metal components Major Imports: Rubbers, Plastics, Machinery and Equipment Language: Ghosnian Brief History of your nation: Ghosnia was believed to be formed around 2000 BC by nomads from neighboring lands looking to escape rule of kingdoms. In 692, the dynasties of Ghosnia united to form the United Dynasties of Ghosnia, an Oligarchy ruled by four Emperors. The dynasties fell quickly when power-hunger groups over threw the emperors and established the Kingdom of Ghosnia in 987. The Kingdom lasted until 1911, when again rebel groups overthrew the King, this time because the King was tyrannical and forced policies that benefited him only. The Federal Republic of Ghosnia was established in 1911 and lasted until 1952, when the People's Republic of Ghosnia formed and lasted until 1991, when the Republic was restored. Map: Map IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): Factbook Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms Does your nation have Freedom of thought: Yes Freedom of belief (religion): Yes Freedom of expression: Yes Freedom of the media: Yes Freedom of peaceful assembly: Yes Freedom of association: Yes Freedom of movement: Yes Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: Yes Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: Yes Freedom from slavery: Yes Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: Yes Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): Yes Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: Yes Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: Yes Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): Yes Right to own property: Yes Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): Yes, Ghosnian businesses are mainly unregulated, and the government only enforces rules Right to innocent navigation: Yes Foreign Relations and Military Statistics What other military alliances are you a part of? (UL, SCP, SACTO, etc.): None What other non-military organizations are you a part of? (ISA, UPA, etc.): World Assembly Foreign Policy: Ghosnia focuses on providing humanitarian aid to nations affected by disaster and war, as well as intervening to prevent such occurrences Number of active military personnel (RP): 841,345 Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 983,755 Nuclear Arsenal (if any): 300 Active ICBMs Name of Military: The Ghosnian Armed Forces Branches of Military: Ghosnian Army, Ghosnian Navy, Ghosnian Air Force, Ghosnian Home Defense Force RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): RP Example Delegate to the IFC Council Information Name: Dr. Ying Sasong Adulhadej Ph.D Age: 36 Gender: F Biography (optional): Ying Adulhadej was born in the city of Shongutalmi, located in the Prachurap Khiri Karahn province on October 8th, 1980 to parents Han Tzu Adulhadej and Fenmyn Hakip Uthaan. Dr. Adulhadej graduated from Shongutalmi Secondary School in 1998 and went on to study at the Gonmi Academy for Natural Sciences, graduating in 2002 with a PhD an Anatomy. In 2003 Adulhadej worked as a professor and researcher at the Ghosnian College of Medicine, Daijo. In 2008, Adulhadej left her position at the college to serve as the Provincial Governor of Prachurap Khiri Karahn for two years. She then became Surgeon General of Ghosnia for four years. After her four-year term, Dr. Adulhadej worked in the Ghosnian National Congress. President Sonn has specially selected her for the position of Ghosnia's IFC Delegate. Education (optional): Secondary School Diploma, PhD in Anatomy Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: We wish to establish relations with other similar nations and to work towards international freedom with others who share our ideals. Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: Yes Signature: Hana Yo-Sonn, Republic of Ghosnia Date: 09/06/16 **IFCAPP**

[Isle of Lost]

if laa thinks he can try to dictate the IFC even though its very clearly been quite angry with how LAA ruled, then I feel we need a mandatory discussion on hypocrisy.

I simply know that the Council is the only possible restraint upon a Prime Minister, and I don't think Shazbotdom likes that. So now the Speaker has the account.

So under your prime ministership you were fine only having one possible restraint but somehow you think your some sort of hero when you try to strip a right away from a new PM. Theres no way you have the right to make decisions any more and I'm surprised a vote hasn't been taken by the council to overturn your decision you made without any power to do so. I don't even disagree with handing the power to the Speaker, but who are you to sling it around when it is you, not Shaz, who has most violated the use of said power. Your hypocrisy abounds Lib.

The only dictator here is you, I think it would be best if you sit down and acknowledge that Shaz hasn't done anything wrong by the standard you set as PM

[Pillowlandia]

When will the new meeting thread be established? I feel like the new Capitol will have plenty to do as we get going with it.

[Daeseong]

I can certainly say I don't know this Pax Centrum. (Nice to meet you!) There actually is a way to prove this: Pax Centrum, just join the WA (if you aren't in it already), and if the mods do swoop down on one of us, I'll see a psycologist as I must have multiple personality disorder or amnesia.

Anyway, I would never make a puppet with 45 million people... that's so conventional.

What would make you think this Pax Centrum does not already have a WA account? After all, nobody here would believe, by any degree of cajoling, that this nation here could possibly anybody's first.

In any case, more so than just applying for the WA: I believe that Pax Centrum should unearth his alternate identity on NS to prove his innocence. While it is hypothetically possible that Pax Centrum is a first nation, it's exceptionally unlikely that somebody created a nation and immediately wrote an application, with excellent understanding of its innerworkings, within an hour.

There is most likely somebody behind this account, and aside from creating a multi-WA account (which, by the grace of modern networking, is actually not impossible, sadly for the raiding dynamic) Pax Centrum should also prove his innocence by revealing his identity and proving that it is such. If he happens to have "extenuating circumstances" as to why he cannot do so or is simply a "prodigy" who has been stalking NS and this alliance for months (which is improbable) then I'd say that everybody's fears are based. If he proves his alternate identity, then we should all gracefully accept that he is not, in fact, LAA.

[Valaran]

When will the new meeting thread be established? I feel like the new Capitol will have plenty to do as we get going with it.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. We could use the old council thread as a stopgap if needed, but I think the IFC account should be used to create a new thread for the IFC capital.

[Shazbotdom]

When will the new meeting thread be established? I feel like the new Capitol will have plenty to do as we get going with it.

Yeah, I was thinking the same. We could use the old council thread as a stopgap if needed, but I think the IFC account should be used to create a new thread for the IFC capital.

I will be drafting up something today for both threads as soon as I get a chance later.

[Kustgebied]

FROM THE OFFICE OF
THE PRIME MINISTER
Mr. Timmothy Moorston
Ambassador from the Shazbotdom Empire

(Image)

TO: ALL APPLICANTS
Please note that your applications are now under review. We thank you for your wish to join our ranks and you will be notified of the decision as soon as possible.

good to hear

[Inyourfaceistan]

I'll post my return from illegal, illegitimate and anti-democratic exile once the new council thread gets up.