International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[Chkalovsk II]

jesus christ calm the hell down

hes barely been in power for 24 hours

[Shazbotdom]

So, let me get this straight?

All previous PMs have had access to the admin account. But I don't? Are you trying to fuck this up on purpose so people beg your corrupt ass back in?

[Pillowlandia]

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

Chilokver, I beg your pardon; I think you may be dead right, and I may be dead wrong. I must say I'm flabbergasted by the breathtaking speed with which Shazbotdom has abandoned centrism and moderatism. It seems increasingly clear Shazbotdom has no wish to compromise with any opposition; traits which I think can be pardoned in a centrist like me, but are utterly ruinous if held by a partisan.

Now, the question is, first, can anyone bring Shazbotdom under control; and second, if not, should we aim for an amicable split, with nations able to remain members in both?[/quote]

N. O. No.

[...make the International Freedom Coalition great again] - "Shaz Trump"

In all seriousness, we should probably get back down to business. Any up for a resolution on banning indiscriminate weapons of warfare?

For the next session of the Council, Ausitoria would like to table a motion of confidence in the Speaker as the first order of business please, and as the second order of business would like to request that the Speaker does not admit new members to the Council until they have first been approved by the Council. The charter states that the Council may choose its own membership.

Goes against your own precedent. And wastes time.

Aus

As you have withdrawn your candidacy and effectively made me the Prime Minister with your withdrawal, I expect, within the next 24 hours, for there to be a Telegram in my inbox with the password for the IFC Admin 2 Account.

Certainly not. The IFC is run on the principle of legislative supremacy. New Chilokver has the password.[/quote]

You, the former PM, have access no?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

So, let me get this straight?

All previous PMs have had access to the admin account. But I don't?

Of course, the International Commonwealth Agency feels it safer that you be reminded of the principle of legislative sovereignty and supremacy. Therefore they changed the rule before resigning.

Are you trying to fuck this up on purpose so people beg your corrupt ass back in?

You're fucking it up, right now; if you get your way, the IFC will be nothing more than a PR-friendly front for SACTO. If it isn't already.

[Chkalovsk II]

[...make the International Freedom Coalition great again] - "Shaz Trump"

In all seriousness, we should probably get back down to business. Any up for a resolution on banning indiscriminate weapons of warfare?

Once again, chemical weapons are part of my detterence policy and will be used only when deemed 100% worthy of being deployed. Furthermore theres nothing wrong with using cluster munitions against militaty targets.

(I assume thats what this ban is aimed at?)

Ban or no ban, I'm keeping them and will use them if required.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Goes against your own precedent. And wastes time.

No it doesn't - the IFC Council would have been well within their rights to reverse my expulsions. And I would consider having an election to replace a perfectly good and eminently neutral speaker with some SACTO stooge likely to be far worse than a mere waste of time.

[Chkalovsk II]

So, let me get this straight?

All previous PMs have had access to the admin account. But I don't?

Of course, the International Commonwealth Agency feels it safer that you be reminded of the principle of legislative sovereignty and supremacy. Therefore they changed the rule before resigning.

Are you trying to fuck this up on purpose so people beg your corrupt ass back in?

You're fucking it up, right now; if you get your way, the IFC will be nothing more than a PR-friendly front for SACTO. If it isn't already.

Lib ffs just give him the password.

[Valaran]

I nominate Swiss to be my replacement. You merchant better than me :3

Nice try Val But if I'm not mistaken, I'm supposed to be tackling the Treasury gig this iteration - which, I'll hopefully have more on to update people in the coming days (that is, if anyone is interested in listening, of course).

Oh? I'm certainly interested in proceedings there

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

Of course, the International Commonwealth Agency feels it safer that you be reminded of the principle of legislative sovereignty and supremacy. Therefore they changed the rule before resigning.


You're fucking it up, right now; if you get your way, the IFC will be nothing more than a PR-friendly front for SACTO. If it isn't already.

Lib ffs just give him the password.

If he wants it, he can beg the Speaker for it. But I'm not about to hand over the keys of power to a power-hungry dictator - and I know one when I see one. My dictatorship, such as it was, was reimposing balance and moderation in the IFC. This dictatorship is undoing all that and taking the highway to irrelevance. No wonder SACTO is overjoyed.

[Pillowlandia]

Lib ffs just give him the password.

If he wants it, he can beg the Speaker for it. But I'm not about to hand over the keys of power to a power-hungry dictator - and I know one when I see one. My dictatorship, such as it was, was reimposing balance and moderation in the IFC. This dictatorship is undoing all that and taking the highway to irrelevance. No wonder SACTO is overjoyed.

Could you not?

[Chkalovsk II]

IFC: Civil War, weekdays from 4, only on comedy central.

[Shazbotdom]

So, let me get this straight?

All previous PMs have had access to the admin account. But I don't?

Of course, the International Commonwealth Agency feels it safer that you be reminded of the principle of legislative sovereignty and supremacy. Therefore they changed the rule before resigning.

Are you trying to fuck this up on purpose so people beg your corrupt ass back in?

You're fucking it up, right now; if you get your way, the IFC will be nothing more than a PR-friendly front for SACTO. If it isn't already.

I am overturning something in which YOU DID without council approval. The council voted to affirm their memberships and you went against it. I am fixing your fuck ups.

The fact that you are, once again, showing corruption by not giving me the password is a sign that you have not and will not give up control over this alliance. If i am not given the password, i will create a motion within the council that will effectively expel you from the IFC.

[Common Territories]

Dear me, this new Prime Minister is being far worse than I expected: not simply building on any of the work of my government but rather trying to undo it all. Shazbotdom, if I can advise you, this is not the way to keep the IFC independent. Allowing IYF and Aravea back in without correspondingly increasing the number of non-SACTO members will result in an IFC (accidentally or purposefully, it doesn't matter which) dominated by SACTO... again.

I did warn you about this, but I didn't expect to start to be proved right so quickly...

here we see the growing divide of the ifc between the right and the left, as evidenced by the 2rian isle of lost compromise
i predict the secession of the right in the international freedom confederacy and the subsequent civil war by the international freedom union

Chilokver, I beg your pardon; I think you may be dead right, and I may be dead wrong. I must say I'm flabbergasted by the breathtaking speed with which Shazbotdom has abandoned centrism and moderatism. It seems increasingly clear Shazbotdom has no wish to compromise with any opposition; traits which I think can be pardoned in a centrist like me, but are utterly ruinous if held by a partisan.

Now, the question is, first, can anyone bring Shazbotdom under control; and second, if not, should we aim for an amicable split, with nations able to remain members in both?

[...make the International Freedom Coalition great again] - "Shaz Trump"

In all seriousness, we should probably get back down to business. Any up for a resolution on banning indiscriminate weapons of warfare?

For the next session of the Council, Ausitoria would like to table a motion of confidence in the Speaker as the first order of business please, and as the second order of business would like to request that the Speaker does not admit new members to the Council until they have first been approved by the Council. The charter states that the Council may choose its own membership.

Aus

As you have withdrawn your candidacy and effectively made me the Prime Minister with your withdrawal, I expect, within the next 24 hours, for there to be a Telegram in my inbox with the password for the IFC Admin 2 Account.

Certainly not. The IFC is run on the principle of legislative supremacy. New Chilokver has the password.

Sir, are you fucking kidding me? You booted without process members who opposed your views (in fact, the council protected one said member thrice and you still executive booted them and banned them as the thread OP), you've demagogued them and others who didn't side with you 100%, and people like me were under threat of a Mod intervention (you specifically warned us in the past of reporting us) if they posted here while you held the OP account. You blocked recruitment just to even have a chance at winning your election; though magically, people voted for you who I don't think even posted here before it seems - funny how they knew of an election, huh? So don't go on a tantrum by playing victim and saying Shaz has been trying to silence the opposition (namely only you), you're the last person on this forum who can even make that argument anymore - your entire career was dominated with taking control and eliminating opposition views, so give me a break. If Shaz wanted you silenced he'd ban you right here and now, something you've done multiple times to others. This post is the most hypocritical piece of garbage this thread, and dare I say the organization's history, has ever seen. Are you a pathological liar or are you so set on control that you're going to hypocritically make up some unrest since you can't OP bully people here anymore? Because you're doing the exact same shit you booted INY for - the same shit Aravea did - and now that Shaz and others oppose you, add them to the list.

This excuse of "SACTO trying to dominate IFC" is garbage. Im SACTO's Admin - I handle chats and get the most sensitive info usually - there is no plan, no intention, and no energy being put forward that we want to control the IFC. SACTO is built upon members who have different intentions - what unites us is our common enemy and our interests in writing. There are some who are more democratic who want to be democratically aligned with others - these are IFC nations typically too - and there are more authoritarian nations like my own who are in SACTO for the mutual benefits of having membership. The idea we're some Trump ran GOP NS League, which you're trying so damned hardest on making us out to be, is patently false regardless how conservative politically and economically most of us are; we have about every government type under the Sun as members besides communist and farther left socialists. Absolute Monarchies, Constitutional Republics, Socialist Republics that don't cross the line, we have just about everything because we're diverse. But let me state this again, officially as a representative from SACTO: We have no interest in controlling the IFC nor its members - we want the annihilation of Communists and their alliances. Whether we try to influence the IFC or not, we aim never to control it or its members OOC. If cooperating with the IFC, an organization that similarly dislikes communists like us, is us controlling the IFC, then you 2ria need to correct your vision and educate yourself on this subject properly.

The fact of the matter here is that you're salty you lost an election - but that's a result of your own behavior and what you've done in office under these two terms. But it's funny, you're proposing to take over the PM office and/or split from the IFC - don't say you're not because that's exactly what you just proposed. You want to keep power by controlling the office while out of office, or totally create a new IFC that you can OP control. You booted people who had opposition views , but you went to town on people who even remotely suggested a split or weakening of your powers while PM. So it's okay to openly revolt against the PM so long as it's not you or serving your interests? Hypocrisy at it's finest because you harshly punished people with your powers for the same exact shit. To be honest, I would boot you right here and now if I were Shaz - you're openly stating your intention to coup and split the IFC in half, you've booted people for threatening the IFC using less radical language. Though I'd have booted you early on anyways because I know you only mean to harm or control the IFC, not benefit it. You're essentially the IFC's version of the Taliban - "I will happily rule you or suicide bomb you, your choice". Though even if you tried to split the IFC, you'd get no one of importance seeing as the vast majority has wised up to your behavior. As demonstrated by the election, no one supports you anymore as a leader - sucks you can't use that "I won by a landslide, so the people support me!" excuse since you lost in a landslide this time, huh? To be honest again, I think you're just salty you lost and now you're going to see your control taken away once and for all - all those reinforced roots you had dug to control everyone are now being dug up so you're furious. But it seems still you can't discern your interests from the IFC's. Sorry to inform you, but you're not the IFC.

To move on, you're going after the speaker because he voted against you and he called the election in favor of Shaz. Go figure that your first actions as a normal member is to retaliate at those who voted against you that now/still hold office. Just a simple reaction of childish vengeance on your part, not new considering your past behavior. Though I also find it funny that you're going to stop new members from joining the Council when you yourself accelerated new members that did side with you - you even pushed them to the summit in the same breath as "welcome!"; clearly you're just trying to attack any new members as collective punishment for your loss, and of course you don't want Aravea and INY back in the council as two more additional Nays to you. This is all you can legally do I suppose since you no longer have a PM position and OP power, huh? Though sorry to inform you, none of your radical communist proposals will succeed in the Council. No one's going to agree with those proposals - if they do, I may continue the embargo after all.

"Certainly not. The IFC is run on the principle of legislative supremacy. New Chilokver has the password."

Irony seeing as you lay credit to all or majority of the recently made legislation under your reign and actively went around the Council to achieve your goals. I wont trust the IFC again tbh until I see Shaz post here as the OP. Im still pretty confident you will attempt a coup and refuse to give up the account. But lets see if you prove me wrong for once, aye? When I see Shaz post here confirming he has control of the OP, I'll happily end my own embargo on the IFC and end the Imperion Coalition's embargo too. This means you guys can happily shop with me again and we can get back to having relations! Though 2ria is still understandably bad, as are specific members.

[Common Territories]

Lib ffs just give him the password.

If he wants it, he can beg the Speaker for it. But I'm not about to hand over the keys of power to a power-hungry dictator - and I know one when I see one. My dictatorship, such as it was, was reimposing balance and moderation in the IFC. This dictatorship is undoing all that and taking the highway to irrelevance. No wonder SACTO is overjoyed.

The pot calling the kettle black, aye? Well hello pot, you're black. Also a raging hypocrite too, but I think I demonstrated that.

[The United Remnants of America]

Ban or no ban, I'm keeping them and will use them if required.

Exactly.

jesus christ calm the hell down

hes barely been in power for 24 hours

Exactly.

So, let me get this straight?

All previous PMs have had access to the admin account. But I don't? Are you trying to fuck this up on purpose so people beg your corrupt ass back in?

Exactly.

Rant

Exactly.

Not sure what it is about II becoming increasingly infantile, but I didn't think that mentality was retroactively affecting older residents.

[Flardania]

It seems increasingly clear Shazbotdom has no wish to compromise with any opposition; traits which I think can be pardoned in a centrist like me, but are utterly ruinous if held by a partisan.

Now, the question is, first, can anyone bring Shazbotdom under control; and second, if not, should we aim for an amicable split, with nations able to remain members in both?

TBH your not a centrist, you're a moderate. You stay in the middle for the sake of a middle and all about forcing balance as well as compromise. A centrist does not seek compromise as a centrist has their own goals. To seek what is reasonable, independent of ideology.

Not even going to touch that question....

Edit: I'll also like to thank everyone who helped select Kairaku as the new IFC capital. I went up against some tough competition and I feel that made the whole processes better.

[Roskian Federation]

if laa thinks he can try to dictate the IFC even though its very clearly been quite angry with how LAA ruled, then I feel we need a mandatory discussion on hypocrisy.

[IFC Admin 2]

Aus

As you have withdrawn your candidacy and effectively made me the Prime Minister with your withdrawal, I expect, within the next 24 hours, for there to be a Telegram in my inbox with the password for the IFC Admin 2 Account.

Certainly not. The IFC is run on the principle of legislative supremacy. New Chilokver has the password.

Confirming- I currently have the IFC Admin account under my control.

[New Chilokver]

Certainly not. The IFC is run on the principle of legislative supremacy. New Chilokver has the password.

Confirming- I currently have the IFC Admin account under my control.

Verifying that this is Chilokver.

[Roskian Federation]

dont you love when life decides to fuck you up

Yeah, my only wish is that it happened more often.
What's up?

school hit me like a train - no jobs are biting (and i'm rapidly requiring funds) - my entire family got fucked by the state (and itself but we don't worry about the facts) - and then when I do get the chance to come around (I was planning on running for PM), the IFC is on the verge of collapse by an angry person who got voted out and how he's managing to hold the entire IFC by the balls over a single fucking issue.

LAA - if you can't be gracious in defeat, why should you be the leader of the IFC again? Especially considering it would take a miracle to spur enough activity to successfully fend off Nihon, let alone the whole of SACTO (since you assume that is our enemy).

[Roskian Federation]

Confirming- I currently have the IFC Admin account under my control.

Verifying that this is Chilokver.

hi friend

[Pax Centrum]

International Freedom Coalition IFC Admissions Department, International Commonwealth Agency, Alexandria, Ausitoria, Aestorian Commonwealth IFC Admissions Application National Information Formal Nation Name: Commonwealth of Pax Centrum Shortened Nation Name: Pax Centrum Demonym: Centrists Capital city: Alphasbourgh National Population (RP): 45,000,000 Form of Government: Innovative Mercantile Commonwealth Is your Government by the people? (exercised either directly or through elected representatives or with democratic elements): yes How do you describe the political atmosphere of your state? (Far-Left/Left/Center-Left/Center/Center-Right/Right/Far-Right): Center, as that is the best position Head of State: Aurius Metford Head of Government: Aurius Metford Economic System: Global trade and moderated capitalism Currency: Pax Pound Exchange Rate to NSD: 10:1 Major Exports: Innovative technologies Major Imports: Cheap goods Language: English Brief History of your nation: Former imperial power which has now adopted a more lenient center liberal policy allowing civil rights, economic power and technological prowess Map: N/A IIwiki page link or factbook (if you have one): None Political and Civil Rights and Freedoms Does your nation have Freedom of thought: yes Freedom of belief (religion): yes Freedom of expression: yes Freedom of the media: yes Freedom of peaceful assembly: yes Freedom of association: yes Freedom of movement: yes Freedom from unreasonable search and seizure: yes Freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment: yes Freedom from slavery: yes Right to life, liberty and security of the individual: yes Right to vote (The ability to vote upon reaching the age of majority): yes Right to a fair trial, legal council, and a guarantee of habeas corpus: yes Right to not be subject to cruel or unusual punishment: yes Rights of equality (Equality regardless of racial, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age or mental or physical disability): yes Right to own property: yes Right to free enterprise (and to what extent?): yes, but regulated to benefit the people and the trade prowess of the commonwealth Right to innocent navigation: Of course, as this is obviously the most important right Foreign Relations and Military Statistics What other military alliances are you a part of?: None What other non-military organizations are you a part of?: None Foreign Policy: Centrist policy focusing on global balance and political realism Number of active military personnel (RP): 500,000 Number of reserve military personnel (RP): 1,000,000 Nuclear Arsenal (if any): 100 - 200 Strategic ICBM's and other weapons to use only in desperate situations Name of Military: Armed Forces of the Pax Commonwealth Branches of Military: None, as all are integrated thanks to our impressive information sharing network RP example (required - can be anything from a short paragraph on this form to a link to an RP example on another thread): I am new to this forum, so please refrain from passing judgement on me too soon, it would be a shame to pass up such a great candidate as myself due to pesky preconceived notions: Chancellor Aurius walked through the halls of the Commonwealth Parliament Building - the grandeur palace of governance of the Pax Centrum's elite establishment. Indeed, what a marvel it was, he thought to himself as he sipped a glass of tea. His own wears included a lavish silver leopardskin jacked, an equally polished silver fedora embedded with valuable gems and a tie adorned with the fibers of many expensive silk materials taken from a variety of overseas departments of Pax Centrum. Such were the benefits of weilding the kind of power the Centrits wielded. Parliament was due in session for all but another half-hour or so; giving him time to walk through the glistening halls of such a magnificent building with its windows of custom crafted glass and its marble floors forever unburdened by the sight of dirt that must degrade the governmental huts of certain regressive and overly partisan nations. Before he knew it, Aurius found himself entering the courtyard - ah the luxury of being as he, always a good choice even when you don't know it. In the center of the expansive yet well-trimmed garden was a fountain-statue of pure silver; depicted by such an impressive beacon of artisanship and innovative water works was a wise man carring a set off tools on his back and a perfectly balanced scale. Crystalline ice water poured from the wise-mans mouth unto the scales, keeping both ends in place before it trickled down. Below the fountain sat a woman sipping from the fountain and enjoying a tasty scone - yes, even the fountains here in Pax Centrum were worthy of drink and who could refused a masterfully baked scone? This particular madame was Princess Feria Galihan, her title entirely ceremonial yet both her wisdom and sense of high fashion were too valuable to ignore. "Good morning, m'lady! Chancellor Aurius said, tipping his diamond encrusted fedora to the lady in the garden. "A pleasure as always, Chancellor, you are the most nuanced of gentleman!" She replied, standing up - careful not to spill the delicate crumbs of her scone unto the triple-layer metallic lace dress or her 16cm court shoes adorned with a platform of pure sapphire ore. "What is it we shall discuss this fine morning?" "Oh, we have so much to say... Where to begin?" Delegate to the IFC Council Information Name: Lord Morey Hansford Age: 32 Gender: male Biography (optional): Education (optional): At the prestigious Commonwealth Central University, one of the best and most expensive schools in the world. Reason for your nation desiring to join the IFC: To improve our diplomatic standing, and safegaurd liberty, stablity and moderism across the globe Do you hereby agree to abide by the terms and conditions set forth under the Charter in IFC legislation?: yes Signature: Aurius Metford Date: 5 September, 2016 **IFCAPP**

[Roskian Federation]

welcome to nationstates
what brings you directly to the IFC?

[New Chilokver]

[...make the International Freedom Coalition great again] - "Shaz Trump"

In all seriousness, we should probably get back down to business. Any up for a resolution on banning indiscriminate weapons of warfare?

Once again, chemical weapons are part of my detterence policy and will be used only when deemed 100% worthy of being deployed. Furthermore theres nothing wrong with using cluster munitions against militaty targets.

(I assume thats what this ban is aimed at?)

Ban or no ban, I'm keeping them and will use them if required.

It'll be aimed at CBRN weapons, certainly. I don't think it'll be straight out ban- simply restrictions on the usage of weapons that have the potential to indiscriminately harm civilians- protocols for the usage of mines and chemical weapons for example. Long term area denial stuff like VX and radiological weapons will probably be allowed only for deterrent purposes, and I'm considering a ban on the production, but not R/D of biological weapons. Nuclear weapons will not be affected.

[New Chilokver]

Verifying that this is Chilokver.

hi friend

ghello broski

welcome to nationstates
what brings you directly to the IFC?

the strings of a puppetmaster