Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
You do know that makes war with Ausitoria inevitable at some point?Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail.
The only sensible policy for the IFC.
We support this.
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by Asigna » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:48 pm
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
You do know that makes war with Ausitoria inevitable at some point?Aigeantir wrote:In Aigéantir we have a simple policy you go to jail.
The only sensible policy for the IFC.
by Inyourfaceistan » Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:55 pm
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:11 pm
United States of Conner wrote:Ardoki wrote:Ardoki, as a civilised country, has abolished the death penalty (back in 1886, save for a bit of counter-revolutionary neutralisation around that time). We have life imprisonment (without parole) as an option for judges when sentencing (we have abolished juries, and now a council of judges oversee all criminal cases) serious cases of violent crimes (such as murder, rape, torture and mutilation) when the defendant has been deemed to dangerous to be released. (These offenders are placed in special prisons)
However our justice system prioritises rehabilitation of offenders, and is against the punishment of them. They have committed a crime and there is nothing we can do to change that, what the state should focus on is rehabilitating them so they can become cooperative members of society again.For example: Our prisons are nice places designed to be as similar to the outside world as possible (so when the prisoners are released they can easily fit back into society); each prisoner (they are refereed to as 'guests' in the justice system) has their own private bedroom and bathroom and they share (with several other prisoners) their own kitchens and living rooms. There are sports areas, outdoor areas and indoor recreational areas. The guests are taught life skills such as cooking, cleaning and how to manage money, and are given all the education and technical training that you could get outside the prison (prisons are termed 'rehabilitative schools') such as programming, woodwork, teaching, etcetera. They have access to sports and music facilities, as well as video games, films and television. The guards become friends and mentors of the guests, and are instrumental in the rehabilitation; playing games with the guests and such. The guests are also given free access to materials and people, to pleasure themselves with; as well as the ability to have private time with their spouses.
Just a very limited overview of our justice system. Please feel free to ask me questions, it'll help me flesh our my system more (and would be of great benefit to me).
Though Conner does have a rehab system in place of prisons (for the most part, barring max security places dotted around the country, the SHIELD/SWORD/FID black sites and the prisons in Antarctica), I'm pretty sure what you've laid out would be pretty expensive. Conner facilities are essentially large campuses, sort of comparable to college campuses: you've got your dorms, typically two or occasionally 3 or 4 to a room (3 or 4 would be placed in a larger room), then you have your rehab centers that teach basic skills needed for reintegration to society as well as to make sure they don't commit whatever crime they committed again.
That being said, they are under armed guard at all times, and while they have a relative degree of freedom, it's still not a very pleasant time. It has to act as a deterrent, or else it's not going to stop anything.
by New Aeyariss » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:13 pm
Conner wrote:I have my doubts that executing a spy from a nation you're trying to keep good relations with would be something Cuscy would do. Just shoot them quietly and move on.
Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:14 pm
Inyourfaceistan wrote:We also leave rehab for common criminals, such as thieves, fraudsters and such.
Especially juvenile delinquents.
People that legitimately messed up and can be taught the error of their ways.
But serial rapists, murders, spies, and drug kingpins can eat a bullet for all we care.
Ammo is a lot cheaper than giving some murder a free house and meals...
by United States of Conner » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:28 pm
Ardoki wrote:Inyourfaceistan wrote:We also leave rehab for common criminals, such as thieves, fraudsters and such.
Especially juvenile delinquents.
People that legitimately messed up and can be taught the error of their ways.
But serial rapists, murders, spies, and drug kingpins can eat a bullet for all we care.
Ammo is a lot cheaper than giving some murder a free house and meals...
Replace 'murderer' with 'Jew'.
Think about it for a second.
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:30 pm
by Common Territories » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:43 pm
by Asigna » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:45 pm
by United States of Conner » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:47 pm
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:57 pm
by Asigna » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:30 pm
Ardoki wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I personally view killing someone as bad regardless of whom that person is or what they have done.
While I still believe my comparison to be correct. I overlooked how some people might get offended, and I did not intend that.
I apologise, and shall end this conversation here.
by United States of Conner » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:31 pm
Asigna wrote:Ardoki wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I personally view killing someone as bad regardless of whom that person is or what they have done.
While I still believe my comparison to be correct. I overlooked how some people might get offended, and I did not intend that.
I apologise, and shall end this conversation here.
I personally believe your opinions on this matter is just and right (killing is always wrong and the notions of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is primitive). But it is not right that we pursue our convictions here lest we want to make this simple IFC discussion thread into a fight club of ideologies.
by New Aeyariss » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:33 pm
Asigna wrote:Ardoki wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I personally view killing someone as bad regardless of whom that person is or what they have done.
While I still believe my comparison to be correct. I overlooked how some people might get offended, and I did not intend that.
I apologise, and shall end this conversation here.
I personally believe your opinions on this matter is just and right (killing is always wrong and the notions of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is primitive). But it is not right that we pursue our convictions here lest we want to make this simple IFC discussion thread into a fight club of ideologies.
Inyourfaceistan wrote:You didn't know that Cusc is actually a 4-armed cyborg genius commander and skillful warrior created in secret by a cabal of rich capitalist financiers built to lead and army of drones and other renegades against and overbearing socialist regime?
Psalms 144:1 wrote:Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight.
by Inyourfaceistan » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:22 pm
Ardoki wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I personally view killing someone as bad regardless of whom that person is or what they have done.
While I still believe my comparison to be correct. I overlooked how some people might get offended, and I did not intend that.
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:51 pm
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Ardoki wrote:I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I personally view killing someone as bad regardless of whom that person is or what they have done.
While I still believe my comparison to be correct. I overlooked how some people might get offended, and I did not intend that.
You compared a culture/religion to murderers and serial rapists.
Where did you think it was going to go?
by Aigeantir » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:54 pm
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:57 pm
Aigeantir wrote:See, I wasn't really that wrong in saying "ship 'em to Ardoki" as a form of punishment.... at least that's money we wouldn't have to spend on our own criminals
by Aigeantir » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:03 pm
Ardoki wrote:Aigeantir wrote:See, I wasn't really that wrong in saying "ship 'em to Ardoki" as a form of punishment.... at least that's money we wouldn't have to spend on our own criminals
Ardoki isn't really that bad.
We are a hell-hole according to conservatives. But we have certain standards we maintain.
by Ardoki » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:05 pm
Aigeantir wrote:Ardoki wrote:Ardoki isn't really that bad.
We are a hell-hole according to conservatives. But we have certain standards we maintain.
No, it's not me making a statement about your system, more like me recognizing that you have a very liberal outlook on criminal rehabilitation, and I can save a whole lot of money to convince you to take my criminals so I don't have to pay for rehabilitation!
It's me being cheap!
by Brytene » Fri Sep 25, 2015 12:51 am
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by Common Territories » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:27 am
Ardoki wrote:Inyourfaceistan wrote:You compared a culture/religion to murderers and serial rapists.
Where did you think it was going to go?
Why did you remove this part of my post: I apologise, and shall end this conversation here. ?
Some of the people executed via the death penalty are innocent. May people who have been executed were later found out to be innocent, and there are many more who are innocent but it is not known yet. At least 4.1% of death row inmates are innocent.
Statistically, there would have been victims of the holocaust who were rapists and murders. Do you think they should have been killed by the Nazis?
Both the death penalty and the Holocaust were/are acts of mass murder, in which innocent people have been killed. The state should not take the lives of people, no matter their crimes.
That is my personal opinion. I am against all forms of killing, regardless of the actions of the victim I think it is morally wrong and wholly unjustified.
Again. I did not intend to offend, and shall leave it at this. Please don't continue, this is cluttering up this nice thread.
by Ardoki » Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:32 am
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by Brytene » Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:02 am
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